[0:02]1-2-3, 1-2-3, call me the phone call to cell phone number, the cell phone number for, this is a reference to case number, Detective, Detective, Detective, Detective Jerry Carey, Palm Beach Police, how are you, good, good, good, is this a good time, or, yeah, what's the other comment, cell phone tends to, you know, have bad signals sometimes, okay, they go off, so,
[1:03]um, okay, okay, all righty, okay, that's better, much better, oh, yeah, most definitely, okay,
[1:30]well, the reason why I wanted to talk to you is, like I explained before, I have an ongoing
[1:34]investigation on the case involving Jeffrey Epstein, okay, and through the investigation,
[1:39]I do know that you do have some information, or that you were getting to the house, at least,
[1:44]and I just wanted to talk to you about what, what occurs at the house, okay, okay,
[1:50]now, your date of birth is,
[1:52]all right, well, if you could tell me, in your, in basically your own words, um, how it's that you
[2:01]met Mr. Epstein, I met him through a girl named, was a mutual friend, we both had the same friend,
[2:10]and I met her, and the conversation came up, besides, I was like, oh, I'm gonna massage
[2:15]her up, because also, and she's like, oh, I have a great client over in Palm Beach, whatever,
[2:20]and, you know, he's always looking for a massage therapist now, so she hooked me up with the
[2:25]number, and I went over there, and, yeah, I was like, oh, I'm gonna massage her up, and, yeah,
[2:27]I actually looked on massagers, and I've been probably a client now, I want to say three years now.
[2:32]Okay, and for three years?
[2:34]Probably, two or three, maybe closer to three.
[2:37]How long have you been a massage therapist?
[2:39]Three, I started going to school back in 99, so, and licensed in 2002.
[2:53]All right, so you go over, and you provide him a massage?
[2:56]Correct, and I've also had work on, I've had, like, clients in before.
[3:03]I don't know if they're even clients, but he's had guests, I should say, and, you know,
[3:08]he's been kind to people, I've worked on some of the assistants before, but mostly for him.
[3:16]Okay.
[3:17]Now, any of the guests or the assistants, other males?
[3:21]Yes, I had one gentleman, one older guy.
[3:25]His assistants were females?
[3:34]Yeah, besides, like, the cooks and all.
[3:37]And you've done work on the...
[3:41]No, no, no, no, no, uh-uh, sister girls.
[3:45]And do you remember their names?
[3:46]You know, I have the first name, and I believe they're his assistants,
[3:55]because I'm not believing that, that, I told you how I found that thing online,
[4:00]little international man, or man of mystery, money man, whatever,
[4:04]I was reading it, how it says, you know, his assistants are females,
[4:09]so I'm only assuming that they're his assistants.
[4:11]They must be, because they're the ones that called me to set up for the massage, so...
[4:15]Good.
[4:15]He doesn't actually need to call, I'm like, hey,
[4:17]Christina, let's come on over, and I know,
[4:19]I think I've barely spoke, like, five sentences to a guy here,
[4:22]it's like, we don't speak.
[4:24]You don't speak when you do some massages?
[4:26]Not at all.
[4:27]What do you say to me?
[4:28]I don't ever know what to say, you know,
[4:30]we have nothing, absolutely nothing in common,
[4:32]except the fact that we both value massages as important, you know,
[4:35]a factor in your life, that you need them, you know,
[4:37]but other than that, no conversation.
[4:40]Well, have you ever worked on anyone that appears to be young?
[4:47]What do you mean, that appears to be young?
[4:49]Uh, such as, uh, like younger than you.
[4:53]Well, I'm 26.
[4:54]Right.
[4:55]And, well, I'm almost 26, and I don't know,
[4:59]I think Sarah and Adriana are about the same age as me, it's not older.
[5:04]I don't know, they might have been younger.
[5:06]Anyone, like, uh, high school, high school age?
[5:09]No, I don't think so.
[5:17]All right, so walk me through the massage, then.
[5:20]You get called by either Adriana or Sarah, or one of his assistants.
[5:24]I get called, they're like, how you doing?
[5:26]Jessie's in town, would you be available from the side?
[5:28]Sunday at noon, which is, like, the usual time.
[5:30]And, uh, absolutely, so I get there, and I park my car on the side,
[5:35]not in the driveway, and I go in, and, uh, knock the door,
[5:39]and I got the door, one of the cooks, you know,
[5:41]so I went at the door, and I sit down at the bar,
[5:44]they always ask me something to drink, and then they come down,
[5:48]and they're like, okay, go ahead and go upstairs,
[5:50]and set up upstairs, you've got a morning stopper,
[5:54]like, set up for massage, so, uh, I go there, grab the table,
[5:58]and get that prepared, and then he goes in there,
[6:01]and then, um, I usually set the phone up for him next to the table,
[6:05]because he talks a lot on the phone, and, um,
[6:08]and then I do my massage, and then that's it,
[6:10]and then he just brings me on the phone,
[6:12]or I put the phone down, he's like, okay, thanks a lot, Chris,
[6:15]that was wonderful, have a good day, and that's it.
[6:18]Okay, well, when you go upstairs, which, which stairway do you, uh,
[6:23]which stairway do you utilize?
[6:25]The, I don't know, I don't know what it's called,
[6:26]the one that's closer to the kitchen, not,
[6:28]I don't go in the living room or nothing.
[6:30]Okay. The one that's by the kitchen.
[6:32]That's, that's in the kitchen, right,
[6:33]they have, like, a little round thing,
[6:35]it's like a little circular, it's a stairwell.
[6:37]Yeah, so it goes up to the hallway,
[6:39]and that leads down to, right, the bedroom.
[6:41]It's like a master bedroom, master bathroom, right?
[6:43]Yep, that's it, mm-hmm.
[6:45]Okay, do you notice any, anything odd or peculiar
[6:48]as you're going up the stairs?
[6:51]No, not really, I mean, we've got nice,
[6:53]nice windows and everything, and, you know,
[6:57]it's odd at all, man.
[6:58]Okay. Um, has he, does he come in, uh, clothed,
[7:04]or just wearing a towel, or...?
[7:07]No, he comes in and wears his, uh,
[7:09]I don't know what this is, though, for,
[7:11]this is how people normally get on the side,
[7:13]you come in your clothes, and then you get on the table,
[7:15]and you get undressed, so that's how...
[7:18]Okay, no, no, I know, I know,
[7:20]but I'm just, I'm just trying to picture it in my mind.
[7:23]No, he walks in, he walks in,
[7:25]I'm usually at the set up, he's like,
[7:27]he just, like, you know, like a wrecker.
[7:29]He comes in, like, hey, Chris,
[7:30]how's my favorite massage set up this year?
[7:32]I'm like, good, how are you?
[7:33]He's like, I'm so much better
[7:35]about that at year to year,
[7:36]and that's too much of a conversation we have,
[7:38]besides at the end, where he's like,
[7:40]okay, he's like, that was wonderful,
[7:42]have fun, or whoever's down there to pay you, so...
[7:47]Have you ever felt, when you're providing a massage,
[7:49]uh, uncomfortable?
[7:51]Not at all, not at all.
[7:53]Has he ever, uh,
[7:54]tried to touch you in any way?
[7:57]Absolutely not.
[7:59]Very professional.
[8:01]Okay.
[8:04]Has, has he ever asked you to remove your clothing
[8:07]when you're providing the massage?
[8:08]No.
[8:10]Okay.
[8:11]Um, not, like I, I mentioned before,
[8:15]he is, he is aware of this investigation.
[8:17]Okay.
[8:17]Um, because this has been going on,
[8:20]going on for quite some time,
[8:21]and, um, like I said, he is aware of it.
[8:25]Has anyone in his legal defense team
[8:30]or his private investigators reached out to try to speak to you?
[8:33]No, and I hope they don't,
[8:34]because I don't even know why I'm in this position
[8:38]or why I'm needing to be a consultant.
[8:40]I'm very upset, you know?
[8:41]Well, don't be upset.
[8:42]Basically, uh, the reason why I'm in contact with you
[8:45]is obviously we were conducting surveillance at the house,
[8:48]and, um, you were seen there,
[8:50]as well as, um, your phone numbers were located,
[8:54]um, when we executed a search warrant.
[8:57]Uh, at the house.
[8:59]So that's how your information became available to me.
[9:04]Um, not for anything bad.
[9:07]I just, I, you know, just talked to you
[9:08]to see what involvement you had with, you know,
[9:12]with the house, obviously.
[9:13]Okay.
[9:14]Um, so don't, don't, you know,
[9:16]don't feel upset or anything like that.
[9:18]I mean, I, you're not the only person I've spoken with.
[9:21]I've spoken with, you know, 30, 35 other girls.
[9:25]No way.
[9:25]Really?
[9:26]Right on a convict?
[9:27]Uh-huh.
[9:28]Wow.
[9:29]I don't know, because I know every time,
[9:31]I don't know how often he's gone in Palm Beach,
[9:33]but I know every time he is in Palm Beach,
[9:34]he usually does call me, not so that I think, you know,
[9:37]because he's told me that I'm, like,
[9:39]one of the best massage therapists,
[9:41]but, you know, he keeps calling that to everybody,
[9:43]because I do deep tissue work.
[9:44]I get in there, and I'm putting all my 150 pounds into him.
[9:48]It's not nurse-feudal-like stuff.
[9:50]I'm working out, not full-on, like, I'm like,
[9:54]I'm like the gym and massage therapist, you know,
[9:57]no fetus involved, all not working, so.
[10:00]Oh, so you, like, really hurt people.
[10:01]I hurt people.
[10:04]Does he keep talking with me?
[10:06]Absolutely not, no.
[10:07]That's why I think he has me over,
[10:10]usually, when he comes down and says,
[10:11]you know, I'm not doing the very right fetus,
[10:14]because he has, because I know,
[10:15]I think he gets a massage every day, if I'm correct,
[10:17]and so he wants a really good deep massage on the person.
[10:22]Okay.
[10:24]So it's particularly perfect when he comes in.
[10:27]You know, I work the same spot.
[10:28]He can do the back of his legs, and he gets to work.
[10:31]Probably he's fabbling so much in his shoulders, you know,
[10:33]with the legs, I don't know, but he's got, you know,
[10:36]some serious neck pain going on, but.
[10:38]Do you work his chest area?
[10:41]No, not the chest.
[10:43]Maybe sometimes, like, right where the, you know,
[10:46]the pectoralis major goes, that goes right from the top,
[10:49]where the sternum is and the clavicle and all.
[10:52]Maybe, like, when I'm doing some arm thing,
[10:54]I touch down on the chest with some compression,
[10:56]but nothing tickles, nothing.
[10:58]Going through, you know, a chest like that, no, not at all.
[11:02]Okay.
[11:03]I'm not concerned for that.
[11:05]You might have other people that do that, but, you know,
[11:08]I can't say what, you know.
[11:11]I don't know.
[11:12]How many times would you say you've been to his house?
[11:14]I couldn't tell you that.
[11:16]I have no idea.
[11:17]Probably.
[11:18]A lot.
[11:20]Probably.
[11:20]20, more than 20.
[11:23]Definitely 20 plus.
[11:24]All right, so more than 20.
[11:25]Yeah, like I said, I think I've been a client,
[11:28]he's been one of my clients now for, I think,
[11:30]about three years now.
[11:31]Okay.
[11:32]Sometimes, there's cells I don't see for six months, you know.
[11:35]Right.
[11:36]And then there's sometimes he's out in my condies,
[11:38]which I think most, like, any regular season, you know,
[11:41]he's down, third year is January, February, March,
[11:43]or if it's freezing cold in New York,
[11:45]and they come down here to the, you know,
[11:48]Yeah, I can't blame them.
[11:50]Absolutely not.
[11:51]That's why I left up north,
[11:52]I just didn't deal with the cold.
[11:54]Yeah.
[11:55]I wouldn't have known before the end.
[11:57]I've always seen snow one time, and hopefully a lot.
[12:00]But I'm curious, and so, yeah, you know, again,
[12:04]sometimes I've seen him sometimes two, three times in one week,
[12:07]and then I won't go.
[12:08]I've seen him about six, eight months, so it's up for grabs.
[12:11]Depends on when he comes down, basically.
[12:13]Correct, yeah.
[12:15]Okay.
[12:16]Ballpark figure, what does he normally pay you for a massage?
[12:21]Well, massagers, he normally massages, you know,
[12:24]he usually gives the girl $100, you know, per hour.
[12:30]Okay.
[12:31]Not that bad.
[12:33]Meaning, you know, I charge my normal clients like $75,
[12:37]so if somebody would get outstanding sort of money,
[12:41]you normally like to charge more because you know they can afford it,
[12:43]you know, and that's kind of nice about, you know,
[12:46]being a massage therapist.
[12:49]You know, you can sort of charge your own hours.
[12:52]So, and I do sometimes work on him two hours, yes.
[12:56]Wow.
[12:57]Okay.
[12:58]My boss gets a two-hour massage weekly,
[13:00]and he's spoiled, and he's not no small guy, you know.
[13:05]I'm overworked.
[13:06]I need a vacation.
[13:08]So, yeah, I have, yeah, two hours,
[13:10]which is not usually a problem for me.
[13:14]Okay.
[13:16]All righty.
[13:18]Has everything you've told me been true and correct,
[13:20]to the best of your knowledge?
[13:21]Absolutely.
[13:22]All righty.
[13:23]So, are you saying that I might be getting contacted from?
[13:26]From, well, I know he has private investigators out there
[13:29]talking to people, and...
[13:32]you know, trying to find out, you know,
[13:34]people who I'm talking to, et cetera.
[13:37]So, don't be surprised if you do get a phone call.
[13:43]But just bear in mind that, you know,
[13:45]you don't have to speak with them.
[13:48]They're not law enforcement people at all.
[13:50]Okay.
[13:51]But if, you know, if you have any problems or anything,
[13:54]or give me a call.
[13:57]Okay.
[13:58]So, I mean, do you come back to the state,
[14:00]or do you, like, in big-time trouble or something?
[14:02]Well, this is an ongoing investigation,
[14:05]so I just really, I can't really, like,
[14:08]give you a whole lot of information, but...
[14:12]All right. Well, my boyfriend's going to be wanting to,
[14:15]of course, like, all my family,
[14:16]and my brother, a little inquisitive one,
[14:18]he's like, oh, Jeffrey, that's me.
[14:20]He said, I saw him, and he went and found his website online.
[14:22]He's like, don't pick up, dude.
[14:23]So, he went online, and he read his thing,
[14:25]and he's like, oh, you're in trouble.
[14:26]He's like...
[14:26]No, you're not in trouble.
[14:28]No, you better be getting a lawyer.
[14:29]I mean, I tried to explain that to one of you, but it...
[14:31]Okay.
[14:31]But I don't think he wanted to hear that.
[14:35]Yeah.
[14:36]Well, I've been reading that all the time.
[14:38]Hey, you know, I have a sister, too,
[14:39]so I'm very protective of my sister, so...
[14:41]Definitely.
[14:42]You know, he's just working his ass off.
[14:44]Yeah, and I can't blame no guy, you know?
[14:46]He's all, like, that whole memo thing about him,
[14:48]and, like, who he's friends with,
[14:50]and he's like, I think that's what kind of scared him.
[14:52]He's like, you know, he's like, you know,
[14:54]hi, people, you know, what's here,
[14:56]and I'm like, well, I didn't do anything,
[14:58]and I'll tell you whatever, you know, what needs to be said.
[15:00]Oh, I appreciate that.
[15:01]And like I said, you're not in any trouble whatsoever,
[15:04]and the only reason why I ask you these questions
[15:05]is because it is an ongoing investigation,
[15:08]and these are just questions that I do have to ask.
[15:10]Okay, so, and when do you contact him again in the future?
[15:13]What's the...
[15:14]I don't anticipate calling you for anything,
[15:20]but I'll definitely give you a call on your cell
[15:22]if there's any questions or anything like that.
[15:25]Okay.
[15:27]Okay, that sounds good.
[15:28]And, again, if somebody from his end calls, you know...
[15:31]Right.
[15:31]I mean, it's up to you.
[15:33]You can talk to him if you want to.
[15:35]Like I said, you haven't done anything wrong,
[15:38]so it's totally up to you.
[15:44]Yeah, you're good.
[15:46]Okay, well, I'm glad.
[15:48]First of all, I'm glad this conversation is over,
[15:50]because I can...
[15:51]Well, I know, yeah, it's a little nerve-wracking
[15:53]when the detective calls you and says,
[15:54]all right, I need to speak to you, and...
[15:56]Yeah, no, I'm kidding.
[15:57]I know, so...
[15:59]I can assure you that you're in no trouble whatsoever,
[16:01]and I tried to explain that to your brother, but...
[16:03]Yeah, I just want to tell you everything that I need to know,
[16:05]and I hope everything works out.
[16:06]I mean, overall, he's a, you know, very nice.
[16:09]When it comes to business, it's business, right?
[16:11]You know, like, he's, like, a very fun guy.
[16:13]He just has, like, you know, a large-ranged, like, attitude,
[16:16]and he's just, he's pretty fun, you know, for what I see,
[16:19]and, you know, so I don't know, but...
[16:22]Has he ever taken you out?
[16:24]Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[16:25]He's never flown with him or anything like that?
[16:27]Not at all, because you know I think why I never was asked
[16:31]or anything like that?
[16:32]Because I have a nose ring.
[16:33]I have a nose ring, and I have visible tattoos, so...
[16:35]And I don't think he likes that, but, yeah, I'm telling you,
[16:38]I do a really good youth tissue massage,
[16:40]and that's all he was cared about, you know?
[16:44]To him, I, you know, I wasn't, like, the attractive one.
[16:47]Like, you know, I know if you choose the attractive one
[16:49]because of, you know, I just think it's just so pretty,
[16:51]you know, then I'm not saying I'm not pretty,
[16:53]but, you know, I've got tattoos,
[16:54]and I know he doesn't find that attractive at all, so...
[16:57]And I've got, like, you know, two visible ones,
[16:59]so, like, even if he knocks one,
[17:02]like, I had one at Maxwell before, too,
[17:04]he was there one time, and I'm a very strict lady,
[17:06]and I came in and said,
[17:08]he's like, why do you have these tattoos now?
[17:11]Why do you have these tattoos?
[17:12]And they said, I don't think they like them at all, so...
[17:14]You know, I wasn't what you would call take out quality,
[17:17]I guess, whatever, so...
[17:19]All right.
[17:20]I was her first youth tissue massage, so...
[17:23]All righty.
[17:24]Okay.
[17:25]Well, thank you so very much, and have a great day.
[17:27]Okay, you too.
[17:28]All righty.
[17:29]Bye-bye.
[17:30]Bye-bye.
[17:33]Bye-bye.
[17:34]Following was the economy.
[17:35]The time by my watch is 9.39 a.m. on January 27, 2006.