[0:02]That's 128-123.
[0:11]I need a phone call to cell phone number.
[0:18]The cell phone number for...
[0:22]This is in reference to case number 05368.
[0:26]And this is ID number 7915, Detective Jerry Carey.
[0:30]Hi, this is...
[0:50]Hawaii, Detective Jerry Carey, Palm Beach Police.
[0:54]How are you?
[0:55]Good, good.
[0:57]Hi.
[0:58]Is this a good time, or...
[1:00]Yeah, what's the other comment on...
[1:02]Cell phones tend to, you know, have bad signals sometimes.
[1:06]Okay.
[1:06]So they go off, so...
[1:08]Okay.
[1:11]All righty.
[1:12]Okay, that's better.
[1:31]Much better?
[1:32]Oh, yeah, most definitely.
[1:33]Okay.
[1:35]Well, the reason why I wanted to talk to you is, like I explained before,
[1:38]I have an ongoing investigation on the case involving Jeffrey Epstein.
[1:41]Okay.
[1:42]And through the investigation, I do know that you do have some information,
[1:45]or that you have been to the house, at least.
[1:48]And I just wanted to talk to you about what occurred.
[1:51]That's a hop.
[1:52]Okay.
[1:53]Okay.
[1:54]Now, your date of birth is...
[1:56]All right.
[2:01]Well, if you could tell me, in basically your own words,
[2:04]how it's that you met Mr. Epstein.
[2:07]I met him through a girl named...
[2:10]It was a mutual friend.
[2:13]We both had the same friend, but I met her.
[2:16]And the conversation came up besides...
[2:18]I was like, oh, I'm a massage therapist also.
[2:21]And he's like, oh, I have a great client over in Palm Beach, whatever.
[2:25]And, you know, he's always looking for a massage therapist.
[2:27]So, she hooked me up with the number,
[2:29]and I went over there, and he actually looked at my massages,
[2:33]and I've been probably a client now, I want to say three years now.
[2:37]Okay.
[2:37]Three years?
[2:38]Probably.
[2:39]Two or three.
[2:39]Maybe close to the three.
[2:41]How long have you been a massage therapist?
[2:43]I started going to school back in 99.
[2:47]So, I'm licensed in 2002.
[2:57]All right.
[2:57]So, you go over and you provide him a massage?
[3:00]Correct.
[3:01]And I've also had work...
[3:02]I've had clients in before.
[3:07]I don't know if they're even clients, but you've had guests, I should say.
[3:11]And, you know, I've worked on some of the assistants before, but mostly for him.
[3:20]Okay.
[3:22]Now, any of the guests or the assistants, other males?
[3:25]Yes, I had one gentleman, one older guy.
[3:31]Okay.
[3:32]His assistants were female?
[3:38]Yeah.
[3:38]Mm-hmm.
[3:39]Besides, like, the cooks and all.
[3:41]And you've done work on the cooks and stuff?
[3:46]No, no, no, no, no.
[3:47]Uh-uh.
[3:47]Just to go...
[3:49]Okay.
[3:49]Do you remember their names?
[3:50]I have the first name...
[3:52]I believe they're the assistants, because I'm not the only one that...
[4:01]I told you how I found that thing online.
[4:04]Well, international men, or men of mystery, money men, whatever.
[4:08]I was reading it, how it says, you know,
[4:12]that the assistants are female, so I'm only assuming that they're the assistants.
[4:15]They must be, because they're the ones that called me to set up for the massage.
[4:18]So, you didn't actually do the call, going,
[4:21]Hey, Christina, let's come on over.
[4:23]And I know, I think I barely spoke, like, five sentences to a guy here.
[4:26]It's like, we don't speak.
[4:28]You don't speak when you do a massage?
[4:30]Not at all.
[4:31]What do you say to me?
[4:32]I don't ever know what to say.
[4:34]You know, we have nothing, absolutely nothing in common,
[4:36]except the fact that we both value massages as important, you know,
[4:39]a factor in your life, that you need them.
[4:41]You know, but other than that, no conversation.
[4:44]Well,
[4:45]have you ever worked on anyone that appears to be young?
[4:52]Anyone that appears to be young?
[4:54]Such as, like, younger than you?
[4:57]Well, I'm 26.
[4:59]Right.
[5:00]Well, I'm almost 26, and I don't know.
[5:03]I feel like they're in a general about the same age as me.
[5:07]It's not older.
[5:08]I don't know.
[5:08]They might have been younger.
[5:10]Anyone, like, high school age?
[5:13]No, I don't think so.
[5:21]All right.
[5:22]Well, walk me through the massage, then.
[5:24]You get called by either Adriana or Sarah or one of the other assistants.
[5:28]I get called.
[5:29]They're like, how are you doing?
[5:30]Jesse's in town.
[5:31]Would you be available for a massage?
[5:32]Sunday at noon, which is, like, the usual time.
[5:35]And I absolutely say I get there, and I park my car on the side,
[5:39]not in the driveway.
[5:41]And I go in, and I've got the door, one of the cooks,
[5:45]and I sit down at the door, and I sit down at the bar,
[5:48]and they always ask me something to drink.
[5:51]And then they come down.
[5:52]And they're like, okay, go ahead and go upstairs and set up upstairs.
[5:55]He's got one of his bathrooms set up for massage.
[6:00]So I go there, grab the table, and get that prepared, and he goes in there.
[6:05]And then I usually set the phone up for him next to the table
[6:08]because he talks a lot on the phone.
[6:11]And then I do my massage, and then that's it.
[6:15]And then he can still even be on the phone.
[6:16]Or he'll put the phone down.
[6:17]He'll be like, hey, thanks a lot, Chris.
[6:19]That was wonderful.
[6:19]I had a great day.
[6:20]And that's it.
[6:22]Okay.
[6:22]Well, when you go upstairs, which stairwell do you utilize?
[6:29]I don't know.
[6:29]I don't know what it's called.
[6:30]The one that's close to the kitchen.
[6:32]I don't go in the living room or nothing.
[6:34]Okay.
[6:34]The one that's by the kitchen.
[6:35]That's in the kitchen.
[6:37]And they have like a little round thing.
[6:39]It's like a little circular stairwell.
[6:41]Yes, it goes up to the hallway, and that leads down to, right.
[6:45]It's like a master bedroom, master bathroom, right?
[6:47]That's it.
[6:48]Okay.
[6:49]Do you notice anything odd or peculiar?
[6:52]As you were going up the stairs?
[6:55]I don't know, really.
[6:56]I mean, we've got nice big paintings and everything.
[6:59]It's odd at all, man.
[7:02]Okay.
[7:05]Does he come in clothed or just wearing a towel?
[7:10]No, he comes in in squares.
[7:13]I don't know what this is for.
[7:15]This is how people normally get a massage.
[7:17]You come in in your clothes, and then you get on the table.
[7:19]And you get undressed, so that's how.
[7:22]No, no, I know, I know.
[7:24]But I'm just trying to picture it in my mind.
[7:27]No, he walks in.
[7:28]He walks in.
[7:29]I'm usually at the set-up.
[7:30]He's like, you know, all at the record.
[7:34]He comes in.
[7:34]Hey, Chris, how's my favorite massage felt this year?
[7:37]I'm like, good.
[7:37]How are you?
[7:38]He's like, I'm so much better now that you're here.
[7:40]And that's too much of a conversation we have.
[7:42]Besides, at the end, he's like, okay.
[7:44]He's like, that was wonderful.
[7:46]Have fun, or whoever's down there to pay you.
[7:48]Have you ever felt, when you're providing the massage, uncomfortable?
[7:55]Not at all.
[7:56]Not at all.
[7:58]Has he ever tried to touch you in any way?
[8:01]Absolutely not.
[8:03]Very professional.
[8:05]Okay.
[8:08]Has he ever asked you to remove your clothing when you're providing the massage?
[8:12]No.
[8:14]Okay.
[8:17]Like I mentioned before, he is aware of this investigation.
[8:21]Okay.
[8:23]Because this has been going on for quite some time.
[8:27]So, like I said, he is aware of it.
[8:32]Has anyone in his legal defense team or his private investigators reached out to try to speak to you?
[8:37]No, and I hope they don't, because I don't even know why I'm in this position or why I'm even here.
[8:43]I'm very upset, you know.
[8:45]Well, don't be upset.
[8:46]Basically, the reason why I made contact with you is obviously we were conducting surveillance at the house.
[8:52]And you were seen there, as well as your phone numbers were located.
[8:58]Okay.
[8:59]When we executed a search warrant at the house.
[9:03]So, that's how your information became available to me.
[9:10]Not for anything bad.
[9:11]I just needed to talk to you to see what involvement you had with, you know, with the house, obviously.
[9:17]Okay.
[9:19]So, don't, you know, don't feel upset or anything like that.
[9:22]I mean, you're not the only person I've spoken with.
[9:25]I've spoken with, you know, 30, 35 other girls.
[9:29]No way.
[9:30]Really?
[9:30]Right on Palm Beach?
[9:31]Uh-huh.
[9:32]Wow.
[9:33]I don't know how often he's gone to Palm Beach, but I know every time he is in Palm Beach, he usually does call me.
[9:40]Not so that I think, you know, because he's told me that I'm, like, one of the best massage therapists, but, you know, he keeps telling that to everybody.
[9:47]Because I do deep tissue work.
[9:49]I get in there, and I'm putting all my 150 pounds into him.
[9:52]And it's not nurse, he just, like, baths.
[9:54]I'm working out.
[9:55]Not full-on, like, I'm, like, I'm, like, you know.
[9:59]I'm doing the massage therapist.
[10:01]You know, no tutors involved.
[10:02]All not working.
[10:04]Oh, so you, like, really hurt people.
[10:05]I hurt people.
[10:08]There's no sweet talking with me.
[10:10]Absolutely not.
[10:11]No.
[10:11]That's why I think he has me over usually when he comes down and says, you know, I'm not doing the, the very nice tutors.
[10:18]Because he has, because I know, I think he gets a massage every day, if I'm correct.
[10:22]And, um, so he wants a really good deep massage on the person.
[10:26]Okay.
[10:29]So, could you professionally come here?
[10:31]You know, I work the same spot.
[10:32]You do the back of the leg.
[10:34]You know, he gets to work.
[10:35]Probably he's faddling so much in his shoulders, you know, with some leg is down there.
[10:39]But he's got, you know, some serious neck pain going on.
[10:42]But, um.
[10:42]Do you work his, uh, his chest area?
[10:45]No, not the chest.
[10:47]Maybe sometimes, like, right where the, you know, the, uh, pectoris major goes.
[10:52]Because that goes right from the top where the sternum is and the clavicle and all.
[10:56]Maybe, like, when I'm doing some arm thing, I touch down on the chest with some compressants.
[11:01]But.
[11:01]Nothing tickle, nothing goes through his, you know, chest, like, fat?
[11:05]No, not at all.
[11:07]Okay.
[11:07]I'm not the person for that.
[11:09]You might have other people that do that, but, you know, I can't say what, you know.
[11:15]I don't know.
[11:16]How many times would you say you've been to his, uh.
[11:18]I can't tell you that.
[11:21]I have no idea.
[11:22]Probably.
[11:23]A lot.
[11:24]Probably.
[11:25]20, more than 20?
[11:27]Definitely 20 plus.
[11:28]All right, so more than 20.
[11:30]Yeah.
[11:30]Like I said, I think I've been a client.
[11:32]I've been one of my clients now for, I think, about three years now.
[11:35]Okay.
[11:36]Sometimes, there's those spells where I don't see him for six months, you know?
[11:39]Right.
[11:40]And then there's sometimes he's out in my comedy, so I think most, like, any regular season, you know, he's down.
[11:45]Third year is January, February, March, where it's freezing cold in New York, and they come down here to the, you know.
[11:52]Yeah, I can't wait.
[11:54]Absolutely not.
[11:55]That's why I left up north.
[11:57]I just can deal with the cold.
[11:58]Yeah.
[11:59]I wouldn't have known before it, you know.
[12:01]I've always been, you know.
[12:02]I went on and posted a lot of times, but I'm curious.
[12:06]And so, yeah, you know, again, sometimes I've seen him sometimes two or three times in one week, and then I won't go.
[12:12]I've seen him about six, eight months, so it's up for grabs.
[12:16]It depends on when he comes down, basically.
[12:17]Correct, yeah.
[12:19]Okay.
[12:20]Ballpark figure.
[12:22]What does he normally pay you for a massage?
[12:25]Well, massagers, he normally massages, you know, he usually gives the girls $100, you know, per hour.
[12:32]Okay.
[12:34]But he's not that, not that bad.
[12:38]Meaning, you know, I charge my normal clients like $75, so if somebody with that outstanding sort of money, you know me, I can charge more because, you know, they can afford it, you know.
[12:48]That's kind of nice about, you know, being a massage therapist.
[12:53]You know, you can sort of charge your own, charge your own hours.
[12:56]So, and I do sometimes work on him two hours, yes.
[13:00]Wow.
[13:01]Okay.
[13:01]That's not bad.
[13:02]My boss gets a two-hour massage weekly, spoiled, and he's not a small guy, you know.
[13:08]I'm overworked.
[13:10]I need a vacation.
[13:12]So, yeah, I have, yeah, two hours, which is not usually a problem for me.
[13:18]Okay.
[13:20]All righty.
[13:22]Has everything you've told me been true and correct, to the best of your knowledge?
[13:25]Absolutely.
[13:26]All righty.
[13:27]So, are you saying that I might be getting contacted from?
[13:30]From, well, I know he has private investigators out there talking to him.
[13:34]And, you know, trying to find out, you know, people who I'm talking to, et cetera.
[13:41]So, don't be surprised if you do get a phone call.
[13:47]But just bear in mind that, you know, you don't have to speak with them.
[13:52]They're not law enforcement people at all.
[13:54]Okay.
[13:55]But if, you know, if you have any problems or anything, or give me a call.
[14:01]Okay.
[14:01]Okay.
[14:01]Okay.
[14:02]Okay.
[14:02]Okay.
[14:02]Okay.
[14:02]Okay.
[14:02]Okay.
[14:02]Okay.
[14:03]Okay.
[14:03]Okay.
[14:03]Okay.
[14:03]Okay.
[14:03]Okay.
[14:04]Okay.
[14:04]Okay.
[14:04]Okay.
[14:04]Okay.
[14:04]Okay.
[14:07]Well, this is an ongoing investigation.
[14:09]So, I really, I can't really, like, give you a whole lot of information, but.
[14:17]Well, my boyfriend came to me wanting to, of course, like, all my family.
[14:21]And it's my brother, a little inquisitive one.
[14:22]He's like, oh, you forgot to send me an internationalестotechnology.
[14:25]And when he went and found his website online, he was like, don't pick up.
[14:27]He fell in line and read his thing.
[14:29]And he's like, oh, you're in trouble.
[14:30]And he's like.
[14:31]No, you're not in trouble.
[14:32]Yeah, you better be here in the living room.
[14:33]No, no, no.
[14:33]Well, he wrote me a letter.
[14:34]Very nice.
[14:34]explain that to him, too, but he, I don't think he wanted to hear that.
[14:39]Yeah.
[14:41]Hey, you know, I have a sister, too, so I'm very protective of my sister, so.
[14:46]Definitely, you know, he's just working his ass off.
[14:48]I can't blame no guy, you know.
[14:50]He called, like, that whole number thing about him, and, like, who these funds were,
[14:54]and he's like, I think that's what kind of scared him. He's like, you know,
[14:58]he's like, you know, how people use the almost here, and I'm like, well, I didn't do anything,
[15:02]and I'll tell you whatever, you know, what needs to be said, so.
[15:05]Oh, I appreciate that, and like I said, you're not in any trouble whatsoever,
[15:08]and the only reason why I ask you these questions is because it is an ongoing investigation,
[15:12]and these are just questions that I do have to ask.
[15:14]Okay, so am I going to be contacted again in the future? What's that?
[15:18]I don't anticipate calling you for anything, but I'll definitely give you a call on your cell
[15:26]if there's any questions or anything like that.
[15:29]Okay. Okay, that sounds good.
[15:32]And, again, if somebody from his end calls, you know.
[15:35]Right. I mean, it's up to you. You can talk to him if you want to.
[15:39]Like I said, you haven't done anything wrong, so it's totally up to you.
[15:49]Okay, well, I'm glad. First of all, I'm glad this conversation is over, but I can...
[15:55]Well, I know, yeah, it's a little bit rough.
[15:57]One session when the detective calls you and says, all right, I need to speak to you.
[16:00]Yeah. No, I'm kidding. I know, so...
[16:03]I can assure you that you're in no trouble whatsoever, and I tried to explain it to your brother, but...
[16:07]Yeah, I just want to tell you everything that I need to know, and I hope everything works out.
[16:10]I mean, overall, he's a, you know, very nice.
[16:13]When it comes to business, it's business, right?
[16:15]Okay.
[16:16]He's like a very fun guy. He just has, like, you know, a larger than life attitude,
[16:20]and he's just, he's pretty fun, you know, for what I see, and, you know, so I don't know, but...
[16:26]Has he ever taken you out?
[16:28]Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
[16:29]No, no.
[16:30]Have you ever flown with him or anything like that?
[16:31]Not at all.
[16:32]Not at all, because, you know, I think why I never was asked or anything like that,
[16:36]because I have a nose ring, and I have visible tattoos, so, and I don't think he likes that,
[16:41]but, yeah, I'm telling you, I do a really good beauty massage, and that's all he was cared about, you know.
[16:48]To him, I, you know, I wasn't, like, attractive, and, like, you know, I know if you choose attractive women
[16:53]because they're, you know, I've seen, because it's just been so pretty, you know, then I'm not saying I'm not pretty,
[16:57]but, you know, I've got tattoos, and I know he doesn't find that attractive at all, so,
[17:01]and I've got, like, you know, two visible ones, so, I didn't even see him.
[17:06]Maxwell, I had met Maxwell before, too, he was there one time, and a very strict lady,
[17:11]and I came in and said, he's like, why do you have these tattoos now?
[17:15]Why do you have these tattoos?
[17:16]And they said, I don't think they like them at all.
[17:18]So, you know, I wasn't what you would call take out quality, I guess, whatever, so.
[17:23]All right.
[17:24]I was supposed to be 55, so.
[17:27]All righty.
[17:28]Okay.
[17:29]Well, thank you so very much.
[17:30]Thank you.
[17:31]All right.
[17:32]Have a great day.
[17:33]Have a great day.
[17:34]All righty.
[17:38]Bye-bye.
[17:39]Bye-bye.
[17:40]Bye-bye.
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[17:42]My watch is 939 AM on January 27, 2006.