[0:06]It's just a tape recorder, that's all it is.
[0:12]Okay.
[0:13]Today's date is January 9th, 2006.
[0:16]Time by my watch is 12.42 p.m.
[0:18]I'm here at the ****** present in the room.
[0:22]It's myself, Detective ******, with the town of Palm Beach Police Department.
[0:27]Detective Nick Caristo of the Palm Beach ****** Department.
[0:30]And could you state your name for the record?
[0:32]******.
[0:33]Can you spell your last name for me?
[0:34]Okay, and your date of birth is?
[0:42]The purpose of today's meeting is to discuss what, as you know, I'm investigating a case involving an individual you may know as Jeff or Jeffrey Epstein from Palm Beach.
[0:56]Based on my investigation, I know that you may have some information pertaining to this case prior, before you tell me as to what happened.
[1:05]Will you just raise your right hand for me?
[1:07]Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
[1:10]So I'll be here.
[1:10]Okay.
[1:10]Yeah.
[1:11]Okay.
[1:12]So tell me from the beginning, how did you meet Mr. Epstein?
[1:16]Well, my friend told me that she was modeling for Jeffrey and said that he was paying money to model there.
[1:32]So I went in there and we had dinner.
[1:37]And then he took me into a room.
[1:41]And at first, she started rubbing his legs, and he told me to do that, told me to massage him.
[1:55]And I didn't know what to do, so I just did it.
[2:01]And he told me to do certain things, like take some clothes off and just things that were not right.
[2:17]Okay.
[2:18]And I know that I should have told you.
[2:21]I told him that he said I didn't, and he threatened me that if I told anybody, then bad things would happen, and so I continued not to go.
[2:37]Other than that you were going to the mall?
[2:39]Mm-hmm.
[2:40]Okay.
[2:41]When you got, she drove you there?
[2:45]No, we took a cab.
[2:46]You took a cab.
[2:47]Remember what cab company?
[2:52]Yellow Cab.
[2:53]It was Yellow Cab?
[2:53]Yeah.
[2:54]I don't remember.
[2:57]No, I've got Yellow Cab.
[3:00]When you got in, how were you introduced?
[3:06]He came out into the main entrance of his house, and we were just talking.
[3:16]He was just introducing me.
[3:17]He was telling me about some stuff, and then he took me out there.
[3:23]Was this during the daytime or evening out?
[3:26]It was evening.
[3:27]I think around, like, 4 or 5.
[3:30]I think around, like, 4 or 5 maybe, because I remember eating.
[3:35]He made dinner for you, or some kind of meal?
[3:37]Yeah.
[3:41]What did he tell you?
[3:42]What kind of conversations did you guys have?
[3:43]I just got to know him the first time.
[3:44]He was just telling me about what Daddy does, flirting, and...
[3:45]What did he tell you he did for a living?
[3:46]I don't really remember.
[3:47]I can't tell you.
[3:48]How long ago did you first go there?
[3:49]The end of May, early June.
[3:50]Of last year?
[3:51]Yeah.
[3:52]I don't remember.
[3:53]I don't remember.
[3:54]I don't remember.
[3:55]I don't remember.
[3:56]I don't remember.
[3:57]I don't remember.
[3:58]I don't remember.
[3:59]I don't remember.
[4:00]I don't remember.
[4:01]I don't remember.
[4:10]I don't remember.
[4:11]I don't remember.
[4:12]So you went there early June?
[4:13]Of last year.
[4:20]Oh, wait.
[4:21]You mean 2005 or 2004?
[4:22]2004.
[4:23]2004?
[4:24]Yes.
[4:25]2004.
[4:26]I think.
[4:27]I don't, I don't even remember.
[4:28]So he took you upstairs, but what kind, can you describe what you saw when you walked
[4:39]upstairs?
[4:40]Yeah.
[4:41]It was moving, it was from his bedroom leading into another room and then it was the
[4:53]massage table there.
[4:53]And that's when I knew something was up.
[4:53]Sounds familiar.
[4:53]because that didn't sound right to me and then afterwards I told her and she was just like
[5:01]hopefully she didn't know what to say like she um I think she thought that I was willing to go there
[5:09]and do that like I don't know what what she was thinking I don't know why would she bring me into
[5:15]that obviously she was helpless or something I don't know if she was help maybe that's why she
[5:24]got me there that she because she didn't know what to do and I really couldn't tell you that
[5:28]she got me there okay but the very first time you went there you said you started massaging his legs
[5:37]okay were you were you naked or did you were you down to your no I wasn't
[5:43]he just
[5:45]started doing it and so I would say well then what's going on and she's like oh this is just
[5:52]a part of the routine and I said okay well do we have to do it you know it's just been definitely
[6:03]okay without his legs you were completely closed when you were doing this
[6:19]did you stay did you stay in undergarment or did you were you completely naked no I
[6:25]was in undergarment bra panties or okay no I know this is hard yeah okay no bra just panties
[6:34]I know this is hard for you to talk about okay I just want you to know I've talked to
[6:42]a lot of other girls and I am very aware as to what happened in the house okay so I don't want
[6:49]you to feel bad or yeah I don't think I'm like that personally okay now okay
[6:57]okay what kind of panty are you wearing at
[6:59]that time
[6:59]can you remember
[7:04]okay
[7:16]uh what transpired?
[7:17]Well, he says
[7:20]okay I fit for the variety and I'll see you again
[7:24]and he told me that if I didn't go back then
[7:30]there would be problems because he'd think that
[7:33]I told it on him.
[7:34]And then that, you know, I don't know, he, I don't know.
[7:40]Okay, let me back you up.
[7:43]You're standing there in your undergarments and your panties.
[7:47]You're massaging his legs.
[7:50]What else transpired from there?
[7:55]That's it.
[7:56]That's it, you just massaged his legs?
[7:57]Oh, then he, when I was in dress,
[8:02]then he told me to grab his nipples
[8:10]and rub his chest, and...
[8:14]Okay, was he doing anything?
[8:16]No, not at first.
[8:24]I told him, don't touch me, and he said, why?
[8:29]And I was like, because I don't like this,
[8:31]and I just want to go home, and then he threatened me,
[8:34]and I don't know, I was just scared.
[8:39]I know he's a very rich man,
[8:41]and he's good to have, somebody, I don't know, I don't know.
[8:45]Okay, let me ask you, did he try to touch you?
[8:50]With his hands?
[8:50]He did touch me.
[8:51]He did touch you?
[8:52]Yeah.
[8:53]Did he touch you in your vaginal area?
[8:55]Mm-hmm.
[8:56]Okay.
[8:59]How did he touch you, did, was it the...
[9:02]It was external a little bit, internal a little bit.
[9:05]Okay, it was just on the outside?
[9:08]Over the panties?
[9:09]Yeah.
[9:11]Under the panties.
[9:17]Did he touch your breast?
[9:36]But there was no, like, his penis didn't go anywhere.
[9:42]Did he, did he use any toys on you?
[9:52]I don't remember.
[9:54]You don't remember any massagers, vibrators?
[9:56]I don't remember.
[9:58]Okay.
[10:00]Where was he?
[10:06]Like I told her, the first day after,
[10:08]call the cops, and he didn't, so...
[10:13]I knew there was something going on, you know,
[10:15]but it was disgusting, really.
[10:18]I know, I know this is hard, I know this is hard.
[10:23]And I feel so bad now,
[10:25]for those other girls, like,
[10:28]I could've just got that on myself.
[10:40]Did he masturbate during the time that he was doing this?
[10:46]Was that you?
[10:47]Yeah.
[10:53]Did he have you touch him?
[10:55]Aside from rubbing his chest, I mean, you know,
[11:08]the massage?
[11:13]I don't know.
[11:14]He climaxed?
[11:20]Yeah, he, like, leaned, leaned towards me,
[11:23]and then, then climaxed, and, like, that was it.
[11:29]How did he, um, was he naked?
[11:37]He, like, before, like, before the massage,
[11:42]he was in the shower in the room.
[11:45]Like, there was a shower in the room.
[11:47]Mm-hmm.
[11:48]And he wrapped a towel around his face, you know,
[11:51]and he lay on the table, so...
[11:54]Was he naked or...?
[11:55]And then he put his hands under the towels,
[12:01]and he didn't expose it to me.
[12:05]Okay.
[12:06]You didn't see him?
[12:12]No.
[12:13]He didn't show up in the climax?
[12:14]In other words, you just, you were assuming,
[12:15]based on how he finished?
[12:17]Was that the only time he went there?
[12:22]No.
[12:33]Yeah.
[12:36]Afterwards, um, he had one of the, one of his, um,
[12:44]employees drive us home, so we couldn't really talk about it
[12:48]on the way home, and he specifically dropped, um,
[12:54]her off at her house and me at my house.
[12:56]Like, he didn't let us go to each other's house.
[12:57]And so I called her afterwards, and I said,
[12:58]Why did you bring me?
[12:59]I was crying, and I was like...
[13:00]And she said, Because we're all in hope.
[13:01]I don't have anything else.
[13:02]I don't know what else to do.
[13:03]And I was just, like, I'm just worried that we won't go back,
[13:04]and said no, because he has my number, and he said that he'll call the cops and get us
[13:23]in trouble.
[13:24]And that it's...
[13:25]It's our fault why this is going on, and...
[13:26]Did you know how old he was?
[13:27]I don't know.
[13:28]Did you tell him?
[13:29]Oh, yeah, he did.
[13:30]Yeah, he did.
[13:31]Did you tell him that you were in high school, or did you tell him which high school you
[13:32]went to?
[13:33]I don't know.
[13:34]At dinner.
[13:35]Yeah.
[13:36]Do you remember the employee who drove you home?
[13:37]He was, uh, foreign.
[13:38]Was he...
[13:40]From then on, he would call me and tell me to come in.
[13:41]And I...
[13:42]I don't know.
[13:45]I don't know.
[13:46]I don't know.
[13:47]I don't know.
[13:50]I don't know.
[13:51]I don't know.
[13:52]I don't know.
[13:53]I don't know.
[13:56]I don't know.
[13:57]I don't know.
[13:58]I don't know.
[14:02]So, there was plenty of times I think about not coming in, but somehow they would get
[14:08]the numbers to where I am and call me and tell me to come in, like, I wouldn't pick
[14:20]up my phone and they'd call me from the number.
[14:22]If that was at my friend's house, they'd call me at my friend's house.
[14:26]I don't know how I got the numbers, I don't know how they did that, but they did.
[15:04]Well, then, so...
[15:05]He never made any threats or anything at all.
[15:07]How many times is it that you went to the house?
[15:09]Other number...
[15:11]The same thing happens each time.
[15:49]The place that I mentioned earlier was my body.
[16:07]Did he ever introduce any kind of vibrator in your vagina area?
[16:34]Over the panties.
[16:36]Over the panties or under the panties?
[16:38]Under.
[16:39]How would he...
[16:40]And over.
[16:41]How would he...would he move the panties to one side or would he remove the panties?
[16:46]The first time he just stood over the panties and the second time he took down my panties.
[16:53]Did he ever bring anyone to the house?
[17:03]No.
[17:04]I had a girl ask me, should you go to the house?
[17:20]Because she looked like she was willing to voluntarily do it.
[17:24]I said, okay.
[17:26]If you really want to do that, then come.
[17:28]For money.
[17:29]What was his girlfriend's name?
[17:34]Do I have to answer that?
[17:38]I'd like you to.
[17:40]How much were you paid each time you went to the house?
[17:50]Two hundred dollars.
[17:52]Each time?
[17:53]Mm-hmm.
[17:54]Were you ever told to bring friends?
[18:02]Mm-hmm.
[18:03]Is that for your money or for bringing your mates?
[18:43]For bringing my friends.
[18:53]She didn't go back.
[18:54]She didn't go back?
[18:55]She just went there one time?
[19:00]Mm-hmm.
[19:01]Actually, I...after that, I lost, like, communication with her.
[19:06]Like, I stopped talking to her.
[19:08]Never saw her after that.
[19:10]Okay.
[19:11]Okay.
[19:12]So you have only been to the house three or four times?
[19:15]Yeah.
[19:16]Were you given any gifts?
[19:26]iPods?
[19:29]That's for the money.
[19:30]Any gifts or anything like that?
[19:32]He offered taking me to a ballet, but I don't remember.
[19:37]Locally?
[19:38]Did you ever go on any trips with him?
[19:42]Anywhere?
[19:43]No.
[19:48]With you?
[19:49]He said, with you?
[19:51]Why did you keep going back if you didn't want to go back?
[19:58]Because I was scared.
[20:02]I didn't know what to do.
[20:07]I was afraid that he was going to harm my family.
[20:09]Did he say that he would harm your family?
[20:12]No.
[20:13]But he made threats to...to start something...bad things would happen if I told anybody.
[20:22]Like what?
[20:24]He never said.
[20:26]Would he say this every time you went?
[20:29]Yeah.
[20:30]He would ask me if I told anybody, and then he'd ask me if I'm lying, and that he knows
[20:38]I'm lying, and he never, like, battered or anything or that ever happened, but...
[20:52]Did he ever hurt you?
[20:53]No.
[20:54]Yeah.
[20:55]Well, yeah.
[20:56]Definitely.
[20:57]Hurt my whole esteem, my...my brain, my...my heart, everything.
[21:08]Nothing perfectly, but mentally, yeah.
[21:11]Each time that you...each time you went, was it during the daytime or the evening
[21:25]hour?
[21:26]I think I...I went day and night.
[21:29]I think I went day, probably the mid-afternoon, like, before noon.
[21:57]Okay.
[21:58]But I just...I...would you ever call...
[22:14]A lot.
[22:15]She would call my phone, like, thirty times a day, like, continuously.
[22:20]My...
[22:21]What were the last times she tried to reach you?
[22:24]Um...it continued for a while even after I, like, completely stopped going, like,
[22:34]I got away from him, like...
[22:35]He said I could...that I was fine now, that I didn't have to come back if I didn't want
[22:42]to, and that if I would ever find...if I would tell somebody or call the police, then
[22:51]he would, um...run back into her house.
[22:54]What was the last time you were there?
[23:00]I...I tried to block it out of my memory as best as I could.
[23:08]Would you say in the last six months?
[23:11]No.
[23:12]Probably...more than a year ago.
[23:13]More than a year ago?
[23:15]You haven't been back to the house more than a year?
[23:16]No.
[23:17]No.
[23:18]No.
[23:19]You haven't been back to the house more than a year ago?
[23:20]Mm-mm.
[23:21]I saw her on my birthday.
[23:22]Um...we went and watched fireworks together, and, um, she was pregnant, and I haven't talked
[23:37]to her since.
[23:38]It's just that it wasn't thought out.
[23:39]What were you going to during that time?
[23:40]Every week it was during the summer.
[23:41]During the summer?
[23:42]Yeah.
[23:43]Looking up the air?
[23:44]Yeah.
[23:45]Directly.
[23:46]Okay.
[23:47]Was there any...ever...any intercourse?
[23:51]No.
[23:52]No.
[23:53]No.
[24:11]No.
[24:12]No.
[24:21]No.
[24:22]No.
[24:23]No.
[24:30]No.
[24:36]No.
[24:37]No.
[24:38]No.
[24:39]No.
[24:40]No.
[24:41]No.
[24:42]No.
[24:43]No.
[24:44]Did you experience any intercourse?
[24:45]No.
[24:46]Oral?
[24:47]No.
[24:48]No.
[24:49]He had me get on top of him one time and like move around like right and
[25:00]intercourse, but there wasn't actual, you know, him actually putting himself inside
[25:06]me.
[25:07]Okay.
[25:08]Were you with panties on, without panties on?
[25:39]Leets.
[25:40]With panties on.
[25:41]You massaged your vagina area?
[25:42]Yeah.
[25:43]Yes.
[25:44]Your buttocks?
[25:45]Yes.
[25:50]You say your buttocks?
[25:51]He tried.
[25:57]He tried.
[25:58]He asked me if I wanted him to and I still don't.
[26:01]What do you do then?
[26:03]Your buttocks area or your vagina area?
[26:06]My vagina area.
[26:07]And why?
[26:08]He was going to enter it with his fingers?
[26:10]You had a massager or?
[26:16]I don't remember.
[26:18]It was definitely three or four times.
[26:28]You never went back with anyone else?
[26:30]One time.
[26:34]I don't remember.
[26:35]Did you have a cell phone back then?
[26:37]He called my dad's house.
[26:42]He would call your dad's house?
[26:43]Yeah, my dad's house.
[26:46]And he would call from Friday through Wednesday.
[26:49]He would always call.
[26:54]They would call a lot.
[26:56]And a couple of times he called from his phone line.
[27:04]Do you still have the numbers on your phone?
[27:05]Yes.
[27:06]Does your cell phone number begin with a ?
[27:27]Or anything else would you like to add to the statement?
[27:42]That I have not asked you and you have knowledge of?
[27:45]Like a few.
[27:51]I don't want another girl.
[27:52]Because I think if you come in here and talk to me, I think it would actually help me a lot.
[27:57]Because I never talked about it to anybody else.
[28:03]So my sister would go there.
[28:12]And they can do the same thing for her.
[28:21]It might help her a lot.
[28:23]Do you have her number?
[28:25]No.
[28:26]No.
[28:27]No.
[28:28]I never talked to her.
[28:29]I didn't talk to her.
[28:30]No.
[28:31]That's okay.
[28:32]That's all.
[28:33]All right.
[28:34]I'm going to go.
[28:35]I'm going to close the statement at this time.
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