[0:30]Present with me is just for moral support.
[0:51]Ms. [Victim Name Redacted], can you state your date of birth for me?
[0:58]Can you raise your right hand for me?
[1:09]You sound me, so I'll choose to hold you.
[1:11]There's nothing but the truth to help you get.
[1:13]Okay.
[1:13]Okay.
[1:16]You finished high school this year, 2005?
[1:21]This year.
[1:26]And you'll be starting college very soon, correct?
[1:28]January 9th, 2006.
[1:30]Okay.
[1:31]So you understand everything that's going on here and everything that I'm asking you, correct?
[1:35]Correct.
[1:35]Okay.
[1:35]And obviously I've explained that I am investigating a case involving a subject that you may know.
[1:48]By the name of Jeffrey or Jeff Epstein.
[1:52]He's a resident in Palm Beach.
[1:55]I believe you may have some information pertaining to this case.
[1:59]If you could, in your own words, can you explain from the beginning as to what happened?
[2:06]There's like a year and a half, almost two years to go over.
[2:09]Do you want me to go through everything or do you want to specifically ask me stuff?
[2:13]Yeah.
[2:13]Okay.
[2:13]I'll start from how you met him and then I'll take you through.
[2:19]Um, heard me over, we worked at, I was mentioning to her how I wanted extra money to go to Maine.
[2:32]Is that where you're from?
[2:33]No, but I wanted to go camping.
[2:34]I like to go camping.
[2:35]So I wanted to go camping for the summer and I couldn't afford a plane ticket.
[2:39]And fast, he goes, oh, well, you can get a plane ticket in two hours.
[2:43]And I said, what are you talking about?
[2:45]Like, what do you, that didn't make any sense to me.
[2:47]A plane ticket in two hours, what are you talking about?
[2:49]And she goes, oh, you can go and give this guy a massage and, um, he'll pay you $200 for like 45 minutes or an hour.
[2:57]And that's all she told me.
[2:58]No details, no nothing.
[3:00]Um, a couple days later, I believe it was a Saturday night.
[3:05]I'm almost positive it was because I know I didn't have to go to school the next day.
[3:09]Um, it definitely wasn't a Friday.
[3:10]So next Saturday night after that, she set it up from her apartment.
[3:19]And we drove to the island.
[3:20]And I worked and he paid her $300 or $400 to bring me out of it.
[3:30]All right.
[3:31]And this was a year and a half ago, correct?
[3:34]Maybe two.
[3:34]I'm not sure.
[3:35]I didn't really keep track.
[3:37]How old were you when you first, uh, went over there?
[3:41]If it was two years ago, I was 16.
[3:43]If it was a year and a half, even 16 or 17, I don't know.
[3:46]Like, I really don't know.
[3:47]You first went to give a massage.
[3:55]Um, you explained that it was just.
[3:58]Just a massage.
[3:59]Just a massage.
[4:00]Okay.
[4:01]Did she explain how you would have to be dressed to give a massage?
[4:06]She said that he wanted cute girls.
[4:09]So I looked cute.
[4:12]Did my best.
[4:13]I didn't know.
[4:14]I didn't think that it was what it was.
[4:15]I wasn't naive enough to think that he was going to pay me $200 just for nothing.
[4:21]I, I didn't know.
[4:22]Like, I don't know.
[4:23]I don't know what was going through my head.
[4:24]I absolutely don't know.
[4:26]In the back of my mind, I was thinking, oh, well, it could be legitimate.
[4:30]But I was also thinking, you know, at the same time, is she fucking crazy?
[4:35]Like, this guy's not going to pay you money for not doing anything, not letting him cop
[4:40]a feel nothing.
[4:41]You know?
[4:42]So I didn't know what to think.
[4:43]I was like, oh, I'll just go, and I'll feel it out.
[4:44]And if I don't like it, I'll leave.
[4:45]Like, in the middle of it.
[4:46]Like, I don't care.
[4:47]If he does something that I have a problem with, then I'll leave.
[4:48]Okay.
[4:49]When you went, you drove.
[4:50]Mm-hmm.
[4:51]You drove with, with [Name Redacted].
[4:52]You pulled up to the house.
[4:53]Mm-hmm.
[4:56]Take me from there.
[4:57]Pulled up to the service.
[4:58]I didn't know.
[5:04]I didn't know.
[5:05]I didn't know.
[5:06]Pulled up to the service entrance.
[5:07]Went up through the, the little white gate that leads to the backyard.
[5:08]And I pressed, or she pressed the little intercom button thing, and said, it's [Name Redacted].
[5:09]I have my son with me.
[5:10]And they all knew I was coming.
[5:11]They knew me by name.
[5:12]Greeted me with, phew.
[5:13]You know, Jeffrey will be ready in a second.
[5:14]You know.
[5:15]Who were you introduced to?
[5:16]One of his girlfriends.
[5:17]One of his, like, slaves that he has lived with them.
[5:18]And when I say slaves, like, one of the girls that he bought for, like, $1,000,000.
[5:19]Yeah.
[5:20]Yeah.
[5:21]Yeah.
[5:22]Yeah.
[5:23]Yeah.
[5:26]Yeah.
[5:27]Yeah.
[5:28]Yeah.
[5:29]Yeah.
[5:32]Yeah.
[5:33]Yeah.
[5:34]Yeah.
[5:35]Yeah.
[5:36]Yeah.
[5:40]Okay.
[5:41]Her colleagues had, like, had sex with him.
[5:53]I was introduced to one of them, probably, like, his assistant, I think.
[5:54]I think they have sex, but I don't know.
[5:55]I was introduced to his assistant.
[5:56]And she's the one who told me that he would be ready in a second.
[5:57]And from there, I met various other girls.
[6:05]I don't really, I didn't pay attention to who they were, though.
[6:10]But I saw the time after that, so I remember her.
[6:13]Okay.
[6:16]How were you brought to Jeffrey?
[6:17]I'm trying to remember.
[6:18]I went to .
[6:19]I went, there's a staircase in the kitchen, and I went through the staircase in the kitchen up to the master suite, and there's two bathrooms, one has like a steam shower, and then the other one's like this, the other one is like a regular, it's just a regular bathroom, but then there's another bathroom with a steam shower, and like, I don't know, there's two bathrooms in there, I'll just make it easy, there's two bathrooms.
[6:45]I was brought into the one bathroom, the massage bathroom with the steam shower, and he was with me, and so I was like, oh, just wait here, yada yada, so, and me were waiting on the couch in the bathroom, and Jeffrey comes up, and he was like, hey, I'm Jeffrey, he introduced himself, and he hands [Name Redacted], I remember this, because I was pissed off that she got paid to bring me, I was pissed off, to me, he hands her a lot of $100 bills,
[7:14]and he says, thank you, and she says, I'll wait for you downstairs, and I was like, all right, I'll be in a little while, and that's how I was brought to Jeffrey.
[7:22]Okay, take me through the massage, that first massage.
[7:28]I'm just remembering, my picture in my head.
[7:35]For a skirt, I remember specifically what I wore, I wore a skirt and just a regular t-shirt, and I was massaging his legs, and he asked me to take off my skirt, and I said, I think I said no at first,
[7:53]and he said, no.
[7:54]And he said, no.
[7:54]And I was like, come on, you're not showing, he talked me into it, basically, he said, oh, you're not showing anything, or did something, I don't even know.
[8:00]So I ended up taking off my skirt, and then he goes, well, I think he just started touching me, and he asked me to take off my shirt, so I took off my shirt, but I kept my underwear on, and I wouldn't take my underwear off, I told him no.
[8:25]And he still paid me the same amount, and that was that, I went home.
[8:29]Okay, you had on?
[8:31]I had my panties on.
[8:35]Panties?
[8:35]Nothing else, I was topless, I gave him a massage, and I had my panties on, and he requested me to take them off, but I didn't.
[8:42]Okay.
[8:43]Were they regular panties, were they thong panties, were they?
[8:46]No.
[8:47]You don't remember?
[8:47]Okay.
[8:48]No.
[8:48]Okay.
[8:52]During the massage, did he do anything to himself?
[8:56]Yeah.
[8:58]What word do you want me to use?
[9:00]Because I already told you.
[9:01]Whatever word, I know, whatever word you feel comfortable with.
[9:03]I don't want to be crude.
[9:04]Go, but whatever word.
[9:05]Okay, well, I'll just say, whatever, he masturbated.
[9:08]Okay.
[9:08]Well, I gave him, well, I don't want to say that's a lie, but he masturbated, but I gave him a massage, and the massage was over as soon as he was finished with himself.
[9:20]Okay, so in other words, he?
[9:22]Finished with himself, and that was it.
[9:24]Yeah, he ejaculated specifically.
[9:26]Okay.
[9:27]That was the first time you went there?
[9:29]Mm-hmm.
[9:30]And I know, take a deep breath, I know, I can see it in your eyes already.
[9:35]From then on, you went there multiple times?
[9:37]Yes.
[9:41]Like, I had a problem with it, what happened the first time, but $200 for 40 minutes, that was a lot for a 16-year-old girl making $6 an hour.
[9:50]So you're saying you're sure you were 16 now?
[9:53]Um, I don't want to say I'm sure of my age.
[9:56]I was under 17, 100%.
[9:58]So you were 16 and something.
[10:00]So you weren't, it wasn't your 17th birthday yet.
[10:04]She's a new mama, I'll have a call.
[10:06]Yeah, that's a good time.
[10:07]Um, this past summer, I was...
[10:12]How old are you right now?
[10:13]I'm 18 right now.
[10:13]Okay, so this December...
[10:16]This?
[10:17]Not this past December, the one before it, you turned 17.
[10:21]So it was before two Christmases ago.
[10:25]During that summer.
[10:26]So it was the summer before you turned 17?
[10:29]Mm-hmm.
[10:30]As far as I remember, yes.
[10:33]One of those months, you don't know if it was June, July, August?
[10:35]It was during the summer.
[10:36]My summer, since I'm in school, was only considered like June, July, and half of August.
[10:41]And it was in between.
[10:42]No, because I wanted to go to Maine for the summer.
[10:43]Did you go to Maine?
[10:44]No.
[10:46]No, I did not.
[10:47]But do you remember that that was the summer you wanted to go to Maine?
[10:50]Mm-hmm.
[10:50]So that was two summers ago when you were 16 years of age.
[10:54]Yes.
[10:55]You were able to drive by yourself, so you had to be at least 16.
[10:59]Yeah, so I was 16.
[11:01]Um, when he, the first time you went, when he masturbated, did you see his, his number?
[11:07]Oh, I thought you were going to ask me if I saw, like, his coms.
[11:10]No.
[11:10]I saw all of the above.
[11:11]You saw him naked, fully naked?
[11:14]Yeah, 100% naked.
[11:15]He had his towel on for some of it.
[11:19]That doesn't mean anything, like, he was naked.
[11:22]You took off the towel?
[11:23]I saw everything, yeah.
[11:24]Okay.
[11:25]Do you know the difference between the circumcised and uncircumcised?
[11:29]Would you say...
[11:30]He's uncircumcised.
[11:32]Uncircumcised?
[11:32]I mean, I'm sorry, he is circumcised, my bad.
[11:35]He's circumcised, 110% sure.
[11:37]Matter of fact, we can hear some sort of birth defect on his thing.
[11:41]I don't know what it is.
[11:42]Like, I've never, like, really looked at it, because I've never done anything where I had to touch it.
[11:47]I've never touched it out of a hole to my wrist, and I've never touched his penis.
[11:50]Like, he, I'm pretty sure he's rubbed it against me, but I've never, ever been like, okay, I'm letting you do this, or I'm going to do this to you.
[11:59]It's really weirdly shaped.
[12:01]I don't know, do you want me to, like, tell you this?
[12:02]Yes, please.
[12:02]Like, is this proof?
[12:03]Yeah, I do, I do want you to tell me.
[12:05]Because I feel...
[12:08]I know, I know.
[12:08]He's talking to your girlfriend.
[12:10]Don't think of him as...
[12:11]He's talking to your girlfriend.
[12:13]Okay.
[12:14]I'm just really embarrassed.
[12:16]I'm sure.
[12:17]It's like a teardrop, like a drop of water.
[12:21]It's really fat at the bottom and skinny at the top where it's attached.
[12:26]And he can never get fully hard, ever.
[12:29]Like, I just could tell by looking at it.
[12:30]Like, by looking, you can obviously tell if you're hard or not, and I could tell that he wasn't.
[12:35]So I don't know if that's some sort of thing that he's wrong with him, but it definitely was not normal.
[12:40]And I have, I mean, it's not like I sleep around it, you know.
[12:42]But I've seen...
[12:43]And it was not normal.
[12:46]Not in the movie.
[12:52]The next time you went, or as you continued to go, did it escalate more?
[12:59]Mm-hmm.
[13:01]Actually, I don't remember how long it took for me to start working for him regularly from the first time I went there.
[13:10]I started working every day.
[13:15]Every single day he was in the country, I would be there.
[13:20]I'm sorry.
[13:21]I, like, can you...
[13:23]Give me a second.
[13:25]Sure.
[13:25]Absolutely.
[13:28]Yeah.
[13:28]I started working there every single day.
[13:33]And I told him that I wouldn't let him put anything inside of me.
[13:38]That was my rule.
[13:39]Nothing inside of me.
[13:40]No fingers.
[13:41]No, no, no, nothing.
[13:43]Absolutely nothing inside of me.
[13:45]He increased my pay to $300 or $400 as long as he could touch me.
[13:51]I still have never, I swear, I never touched him.
[13:55]The whole entire time, I never, ever touched him.
[13:59]How many clients would you say you went?
[14:01]Hundreds.
[14:03]Hundreds.
[14:03]He used to call me that I was his favorite.
[14:05]He bought me a car.
[14:07]He bought me a...
[14:08]His Jeep, did you drive it?
[14:09]No.
[14:09]I had a brand new Dodge Neon.
[14:12]I got a plane ticket to New York.
[14:14]I got spending money whenever I wanted.
[14:16]I was in there deep.
[14:17]He asked my parents to emancipate me so I could live with him.
[14:23]Or he didn't ask my parents.
[14:24]He asked me to ask my parents.
[14:25]I'm sorry.
[14:27]He actually wanted me to come live with him.
[14:29]How about your girlfriend?
[14:32]Sex slave, whatever you want to call it.
[14:34]Yeah.
[14:35]But it escalated.
[14:36]He just increased my pay as long as he could touch me.
[14:40]I wouldn't let him put anything inside of me.
[14:42]And then one day he was big.
[14:46]One day he just put his hands like this in me.
[14:48]How long was he shaved from the first time he went?
[14:52]Months.
[14:53]Honestly, I never kept track.
[14:55]Like, I don't know.
[14:56]I don't know what happened when.
[14:58]I just can tell you in which order things progressed.
[15:00]But not specifically, oh, three months later he did this, three months later he did that.
[15:04]Like, I can't do that.
[15:07]When he purchased the car, how far were you?
[15:11]How old was I?
[15:13]Yeah.
[15:14]Is that what you mean?
[15:16]He bought the car in, I've got to recall, I haven't thought about this in forever.
[15:23]I can give you like a form, four months that it possibly was during.
[15:36]But I can't specifically remember if it was before or after the New Year.
[15:40]November, December, January, February.
[15:43]That just passed.
[15:45]That's 2004?
[15:47]Wait a second.
[15:49]So were you a senior in high school when you had the car?
[15:51]Yeah, it was recently.
[15:52]It was like towards the middle and end of my sleep.
[15:58]For the last like six or eight weeks of high school, I didn't have a car because I gave it back to him.
[16:03]Because he asked me to have sex with him.
[16:05]And I'm like, like, second.
[16:07]And I was just like, no.
[16:09]Definitely not.
[16:10]I was like, I'll let you touch me, but I'm not going to do that.
[16:16]This was 2005, right?
[16:18]Yeah, the car was a Dodge Neon 2005.
[16:21]He got it for me before the New Year because I remember I got it, it was an addition that was a year before they were supposed to come out.
[16:29]So if I got it, I obviously didn't get a 2006 because that's this year.
[16:33]I got a 2005 Neon in 2004.
[16:37]Seven miles on it when I got it.
[16:39]The car was off.
[16:46]And that's the car that you used to drive to and from?
[16:49]To and from school.
[16:50]That was my son's.
[16:51]And to his house when he used it?
[16:53]Oh, his house all the time, yeah.
[16:54]What color was it?
[16:59]Like a neon blue.
[17:00]Like a really bright, bright, bright blue.
[17:02]It was really pretty.
[17:04]Not that that makes a difference.
[17:05]And you gave it back?
[17:06]Yes.
[17:08]Was it after you graduated from high school or?
[17:10]No, I gave it back before I graduated.
[17:12]It got too, it got too sticky for me.
[17:16]He wanted more than I was willing to give.
[17:18]I didn't want to, I didn't want to, um, suck his dick.
[17:23]I didn't want to have sex with him.
[17:24]I never did that and I wanted to be able to walk away from this saying that I, saying that I never did that.
[17:30]And I'm glad that I did.
[17:32]So I just gave it back.
[17:34]I said I don't need a, I don't need a car.
[17:36]Okay.
[17:37]But I, I lied to him when I gave it back.
[17:40]I didn't want to burn my bridges because he was a spectacular connection to have.
[17:45]Spectacular.
[17:47]Even if I didn't, even when I didn't work for him until this day.
[17:51]He is still, he's still, I haven't talked to him in like a couple months.
[17:56]But, um, as far as he's, as far as he knows, he's, well, I don't know how to, I'm sorry.
[18:03]Like a billion things are going through my head right now and I'm just getting a little tongue died.
[18:07]Um, if I called him today he would give me as much money as I asked him for.
[18:13]He doesn't know that I hate him the way I do.
[18:16]I kept that connection.
[18:18]I figured he'd use me, I'd be able to use him.
[18:20]Um, I hate to say that but I figured if I wanted to use him I could.
[18:25]Okay.
[18:26]Let me bring you back a little bit.
[18:28]Sure.
[18:29]Um, when did things start to escalate as far as things happening when the massages were given?
[18:39]They escalated whenever he wanted.
[18:43]I don't, I don't clearly understand the question.
[18:45]Okay.
[18:46]The first time you went you were naked.
[18:47]Are you asking for a date or you're asking for how?
[18:49]No, no, no, no.
[18:50]How?
[18:51]In the little steps that things progressed well.
[18:55]I went and I wouldn't take off my panties at first and then he got me to get naked.
[19:01]Then he got me to let him love me.
[19:04]Then he got me to let him stick his fingers in me.
[19:07]Then he got me to let him go down on me.
[19:10]Um, it was pretty much the, the just of it except this one time where he bent me over the table and put himself in me.
[19:27]Okay.
[19:28]Without my permission.
[19:29]Okay.
[19:30]And I slipped out.
[19:31]All right, let me.
[19:32]And I don't, I'm sorry to interrupt you but I don't count that as me having sex with him.
[19:37]You know, he did that.
[19:38]I, I don't, I, because I just told you that I never had sex with him.
[19:41]I never did, you know, I don't know what you'd consider that.
[19:45]But he then, I go, what are you doing?
[19:48]He goes, oh, I just, or I just wanted to see this.
[19:53]I'm sorry.
[19:54]I got this.
[19:55]You can see it.
[19:56]Okay.
[19:59]Let me, let me back you up.
[20:02]Okay.
[20:03]Um, when you were completely naked, the same things happened.
[20:08]You went in, you massaged him.
[20:11]Sometimes I didn't even do it that.
[20:13]Sometimes he just asked me to take off my clothes and like, he'd have to do work.
[20:18]And he'd be sitting in his desk or something and I'd just be naked there watching television or reading a book.
[20:24]But I'd be naked.
[20:26]Or, um, sometimes he.
[20:29]Wanted to just watch TV or read.
[20:31]And he'd lay in his bed and he'd ask me to just take my clothes off and lay with him.
[20:35]And that's it.
[20:36]Not touch him or anything.
[20:37]And I'd get paid $300 for taking a nap for 20 minutes.
[20:40]Um, sometimes he'd just invite me over for breakfast or dinner or just to use the swimming pool.
[20:46]And I'd get paid for that too.
[20:48]I'd get paid just to hang out with him.
[20:54]That's it.
[20:55]And if, if the money wasn't there, I'd not, I wouldn't have ever been in a house.
[21:01]Okay.
[21:07]And when he started to touch you, um.
[21:12]I have a question.
[21:13]Yeah.
[21:14]Before I say anything else.
[21:15]Um, is there a possibility that I'm going to have to go to court or anything?
[21:19]Like, that's a possibility, right?
[21:21]Well, here's the thing.
[21:22]When this is all said and done, we're going to sit down and we're going to discuss this.
[21:25]I mean, what he did to you was a crime.
[21:28]I'm not going to lie to you.
[21:29]Would you consider it rape?
[21:30]Like, would you consider that to be rape, what he did?
[21:33]When he put that, to put himself inside you without permission.
[21:37]I didn't say yes or anything.
[21:38]He just, like, I was standing up and the table is about, like, my hip length.
[21:43]He just put me down.
[21:44]That, that, that is a crime.
[21:45]Okay.
[21:46]That is a crime.
[21:47]I don't want my family to find out about this.
[21:48]My family doesn't know any of this.
[21:49]My mom thinks I was his secretary for two years.
[21:50]Or however long, a year and a half.
[21:51]My mom thinks I made phone calls for him and that's how I was making my grave money.
[21:52]That's it.
[21:53]I don't want her to know anything.
[21:54]Well, you're an adult.
[21:55]You're an adult now.
[21:56]Well, I mean, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if
[22:01]I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I what the hell
[22:11]what the hell is this?
[22:15]Well, we, while we're done with this interview we'll discuss this further and we'll decide
[22:16]what, the, the best course.
[22:21]I mean, you guys realize that, right?
[22:22]He's gonna find, he's gonna figure this out, and he's gonna, I'm not fake now.
[22:28]You understand that, right?
[22:29]I'm not fake.
[22:30]Okay.
[22:31]He is not this person that he's portraying himself to be.
[22:36]Yeah, well, he touched it up for good.
[22:38]Yeah, I see.
[22:39]Has he said he's hurt people before?
[22:42]Well, I've heard him make threats to people on the telephone.
[22:44]Yeah, of course.
[22:44]Is this wise or you're going to die?
[22:46]You're going to break your legs?
[22:47]All of the above, but that's not the point.
[22:50]Who's he talking to?
[22:52]I'm not on the other end.
[22:53]I don't know.
[22:54]I don't know.
[22:56]I've heard those conversations.
[22:57]I mean, I've been in a room when he's been on the phone with, like, Bill Clinton.
[23:00]Like, I've witnessed lots of things.
[23:03]I just want to know specifically what y'all want to know.
[23:06]Everything.
[23:07]I used to go there every day.
[23:08]Like, I don't know how many other girls he was saying,
[23:11]you're my favorite and I want you to live with me too,
[23:14]but I was in as bad a deep as you can get.
[23:18]Yeah, quite a few girls he would say that to.
[23:22]I know.
[23:22]I thought so pretty much, you know.
[23:25]Yeah, quite a few girls he would say that to.
[23:30]Why didn't you just walk the last time you saw him?
[23:42]What?
[23:42]Or before the summer?
[23:44]So, like, May or June when you get the call back?
[23:47]Probably.
[23:47]Or sometimes when you graduated?
[23:48]Mm-hmm.
[23:49]When did that incident happen?
[23:49]Or maybe a little after I graduated.
[23:51]I don't remember.
[23:52]When did that incident happen where he bent you over the table?
[23:57]I don't remember.
[23:58]Was it recent or was it, like, a year ago?
[24:01]It was probably in, like, somewhere in the middle of the time that I worked there.
[24:12]It was definitely before December, if that's what you're trying to get at.
[24:14]So, you were 17 when he did that to you?
[24:16]Oh, yeah, I was.
[24:17]Definitely.
[24:19]Definitely.
[24:20]Okay, we're going to get to that in just a minute.
[24:23]But getting back to when you were naked.
[24:26]Okay.
[24:26]And you were providing the massages.
[24:29]And they were legitimate massages, by the way.
[24:31]I don't want to be in trouble for anything.
[24:33]No, no, no, no.
[24:34]I'm telling you, you are not a suspect in this in any way, shape, or form.
[24:37]Okay, well, honestly, I don't have cops.
[24:39]So, I just, like, I've had a bad experience.
[24:44]So, I just wanted to be clear on that.
[24:46]Okay, well, I'm telling you right now that I didn't even bring handcuffs with me.
[24:50]Okay.
[24:50]No, I, I, I don't know.
[24:53]I mentioned it to somebody that I didn't say anything.
[24:56]But I mentioned it that I had to go talk to police about something that was personal to my boyfriend.
[25:01]And he, God, would flip out if he knew I was talking about this specific stuff with anybody.
[25:07]So, he was just like, make sure that you're not the one getting investigated.
[25:12]Making sure that you're not.
[25:12]Yeah.
[25:13]Okay.
[25:19]When the massages were, first of all, do you have any formal massage training?
[25:24]Oh, no.
[25:25]Okay.
[25:26]All right.
[25:27]I was just, just asking.
[25:29]Um, when you were providing the massages and things started to escalate, when he started to touch you, you said earlier, was it with his hands or with something else?
[25:44]With his hands.
[25:45]Um, I remember he would, like, he would kiss me and stuff, too.
[25:53]I remember that.
[25:54]Um, and when he kissed me, like, if he was jerking off.
[25:59]He would, he would, like, rub himself, like, on my breath.
[26:03]And I'd, you know, be like, I, not, I think it sounds, yeah, I was extremely uncomfortable.
[26:12]And I would maneuver myself away from that activity.
[26:16]Um, I'd, like, just, I'd get up and I'd move somewhere else or I, I, I don't even remember.
[26:22]I would stop whatever was going on without saying, can you get the fuck off me?
[26:27]I would, I would stop it without saying stuff like that.
[26:30]Okay.
[26:30]This is my action.
[26:32]Wait, he would touch you with his hands.
[26:34]And did he touch you with anything else?
[26:37]I just told you he touched me with his hands.
[26:39]I know.
[26:39]I mean, all the same.
[26:40]Boys, boys, or.
[26:41]Oh, yeah.
[26:43]Yeah.
[26:44]Okay.
[26:44]Can you describe?
[26:45]He used to have a back massage thing that it was like a ball on the end and it vibrated.
[26:56]And he would use that.
[26:57]And then for his birthday, he and I went shopping.
[27:05]Um.
[27:06]He used to have a bunch of toys, which I don't know how to tell you guys all this stuff without
[27:11]you thinking that I enjoyed this.
[27:14]Like, because I had a choice whether or not to go shopping with her.
[27:17]I made this decision.
[27:19]I'm the one who did this stuff.
[27:21]But it doesn't mean that I felt right about it.
[27:24]Um, but yeah.
[27:26]We, he used lots of toys on me.
[27:27]Like, I don't know if specifically y'all want to know.
[27:30]Like, he used all the time.
[27:33]Everything.
[27:34]Like, whatever.
[27:34]Whatever it was there.
[27:36]If he wanted to use something else, he'd use whatever was there.
[27:39]Okay.
[27:40]What kind of, what color vibrators would you be using?
[27:44]Like, white and like, maybe it was like this color, but like blue.
[27:48]Like, you see the gray?
[27:50]It's the grayish on the pipe.
[27:52]Right.
[27:52]The pipe.
[27:53]Like, gray was like a little bit more blue.
[27:56]Like that.
[27:56]Okay.
[27:57]And it had a white, like, end.
[27:59]It had like a white handle and it had a ball on the end.
[28:01]So this was giving back massages.
[28:03]Um, and then.
[28:04]Um, there was a red one.
[28:09]And I put a vibe on it.
[28:11]Then, tap on some stuff.
[28:15]And then it all turned out.
[28:19]Everything.
[28:19]Like, any toy you can think of was used on me.
[28:24]And I'm not, definitely not by my choice.
[28:27]It was like, oh, it's there and it's happening now.
[28:33]Did you ever stop him?
[28:34]Did you say, hey, listen, I'm not, I'm not good with that?
[28:36]Yeah.
[28:36]Yeah.
[28:37]Definitely.
[28:37]Definitely.
[28:38]Before I let him, um.
[28:41]Before things progressed to where I would let him touch me, I would not let him do anything
[28:46]to me, even with stuff that wasn't attached to his body.
[28:50]I said no for a very long time until he upped it by like $100 or $200.
[28:55]You know?
[28:57]Okay.
[28:58]When you're saying strap-ons, did he use the strap-ons?
[29:02]No, but he probably would need to.
[29:04]Um, sorry.
[29:06]I'm just trying to make myself feel a little bit better.
[29:11]Well, I don't know if he would catch me.
[29:13]I don't know how, like, him, he never actually put it on, but it was him in the bedroom
[29:20]and we were all in bed together and I was messing around with her, you know, and he
[29:27]was watching and.
[29:29]At his request?
[29:30]Every time except one time was at his request.
[29:38]The time that it was not his request was on his birthday.
[29:40]And instead of getting paid $300, I got paid like $500, $600.
[29:48]Um, it was a gift.
[29:49]I guess you could call it a gift from me.
[29:53]Um, we went shopping at a place and, um, we bought a bunch of stuff and then we just went
[30:05]at it in front of him and, I don't know, it's not like I wasn't enjoying it either.
[30:11]Like, in my mind, I'm like, oh, God, when this is over, you're getting so much money.
[30:15]Like, that's what I would think of.
[30:16]I'd just close my eyes and think of something else.
[30:21]Okay.
[30:21]Um, let's get to the point where he.
[30:26]He's actually inserting his, his fingers inside you.
[30:32]At what point from when he started just touching you to the point where he actually put his
[30:38]fingers inside you?
[30:40]You know, once in the beginning and at the time I was, um, dating somebody and that person
[30:46]was aware of what I did, um, and was like, this person, by the way, who said this stuff
[30:52]that I'm about to tell you is like now a crackhead, like on drugs.
[30:55]So they're way waxed.
[30:57]They're like crazy.
[30:58]And he was actually my boyfriend.
[31:00]He goes, oh, I have no problem with it as long as he's not putting anything inside of
[31:03]you.
[31:03]I don't really care.
[31:05]Yeah.
[31:06]So during that time, like, I wouldn't let Jeffrey do anything.
[31:12]But after me and the kid broke up, he offered me like, okay, hold on.
[31:16]Let me better explain this because it's going to be confusing.
[31:18]I wouldn't let him put anything in me until one day he did just out of nowhere.
[31:35]And I said,
[31:35]wait a second, my boyfriend, you know, we have this thing, you can't do that.
[31:40]You know, I'm, I'm allowed to work here as long as you don't do that.
[31:44]And he said, okay, well, a couple months later, I guess he assumed me and my boyfriend had
[31:49]broken up and he just did it one day.
[31:53]He just did it without asking or anything.
[31:55]And then I said, what are you doing?
[31:56]I said, you know, that's not cool.
[31:58]And he goes, oh, I thought we did that last time.
[32:00]And I said, no, we did not do that last time.
[32:02]And then he goes, uh, then he just offered me a drink.
[32:06]He offered me more money.
[32:07]He's like, well, why don't I just give you something extra and we can try this out.
[32:13]And I was like, all right.
[32:16]Very hard guy to say no to.
[32:17]I don't know if any of you guys ever talked to him.
[32:19]I haven't spoken with him, but he's consistent in what I can tell him.
[32:23]Well, if you talk to him, he straight up tries to control the situation.
[32:26]Every word that comes into your mouth, it seems like he already knows what you're going to say.
[32:31]That's his job.
[32:32]That's how he made his money is knowing what people are going to say and what people are going to do.
[32:36]What did he tell you?
[32:36]What did he tell you he does for a living?
[32:38]Well, there's a couple of things, things that I found by myself, things that I've looked up on the internet.
[32:44]Um, what he specifically told me when I asked him the first time was, oh, I'm a brain scientist.
[32:50]And I said, what the fuck is a brain scientist?
[32:53]I was like, that's not a real job.
[32:55]You're like, tell me the truth.
[32:57]But anyway, I took that as he, he told me his explanation was, it's my job to know how people's brains work.
[33:03]And I said, whatever the fuck that means, whatever, you know, you're just an old guy.
[33:06]I'm an old guy.
[33:06]And I went home and then I looked up on the internet, um, about him and he was apparently an investor and he worked for a financial firm and he would invest other people's money.
[33:18]Like people find their fortunes over to him.
[33:20]He invests it and he gets commission off of the money that they make.
[33:23]Um, and then he just takes, I know that he himself decides investing other people's fortunes.
[33:29]You know, he's invested all his money.
[33:30]He runs tons of companies, um, sponsors, sports teams, does stuff like that.
[33:34]He makes his money everywhere.
[33:36]And especially, he does a lot of modeling stuff with modeling agencies.
[33:42]And I know that he's involved in stuff like that also.
[33:48]You know, he promised me, I think the reason I held on so long is he promised me that I would get into NYU.
[33:55]That I would get into NYU and he would pay for it.
[33:58]And I waited and I waited and I scored great on my SATs.
[34:02]I got 4.0.
[34:04]Like, I did great in school.
[34:06]I filled out my application.
[34:08]He told me that it wasn't good enough.
[34:12]So I filled it out again and it was like three times.
[34:15]So I'm pretty sure he wasn't checking into it.
[34:18]He was just telling me that he was.
[34:20]But I think that has a lot to do with the reason I stayed there so long.
[34:23]Because my dream was like right in front of me.
[34:26]You know?
[34:26]And it was so close.
[34:32]Aside from having been with, was there anybody else that you brought to the house?
[34:42]I've got a few people who approached me actually.
[34:48]Because it got out that I did this.
[34:51]Like.
[34:51]Everyone at school mailed.
[34:53]You know, everyone talked.
[34:54]Well, it was a circle.
[34:56]It was a little circle.
[34:57]And then, yeah.
[34:57]One girl told me, oh, I have to do this.
[35:00]And then, you know.
[35:03]He thought that I would want anybody to get involved in this thing.
[35:08]I brought girls I didn't like and really, frankly, did not give a shit about.
[35:12]Girls that I knew were skanks that would do anything.
[35:16]Like, girls that would just, like, suck dick in the bathroom at school.
[35:20]Like, not even people that I was friends with.
[35:22]I'd just hear a rumor about a girl and be like, hey, I know a way you can make $200, but I would tell them before they went.
[35:28]I would tell them flat out, like, this is what you got to do.
[35:31]Are you cool with this?
[35:32]Because I'm not going to take you if you're not.
[35:34]And I told them.
[35:34]They all knew that I got paid to bring them.
[35:36]And it was [Victim Name Redacted].
[35:40]She never did anything, though.
[35:41]She took off her shirt.
[35:43]She was a little overweight, so he didn't want anything to do with it.
[35:45]She was my best friend.
[35:45]So, you know, she was another story.
[35:49]I did care about her.
[35:51]But she lost her house and stuff.
[35:54]And really.
[35:54]I needed money.
[35:55]She had nowhere to go.
[35:58]So she did it out of desperation.
[36:01]But the only people I can think of was the people.
[36:07]I don't think I ever actually brought other people.
[36:09]Okay.
[36:10]Did anything ever happen between you and the two girls that you brought there?
[36:14]She was really nervous.
[36:16]So she wanted me to go in with her.
[36:18]And I stayed with her.
[36:20]I took all my clothes off and I did my regular thing.
[36:23]And she just took her shirt off.
[36:24]And then he said, okay.
[36:27]I'm just going to finish up here.
[36:28]Do you want to go wait by the pool?
[36:30]And she went downstairs and went to me and I said, okay.
[36:34]And that was that.
[36:35]She got paid two or three hundred dollars for that.
[36:39]Probably two because it was her first time.
[36:41]The way it went was if you worked there for the first three times, you got paid two hundred dollars.
[36:46]After that, if you were persistent and worked all the time, it was on average three hundred dollars.
[36:51]Sometimes I got paid a thousand just for the same thing.
[36:54]No varying in activities.
[36:56]Just sometimes I'd walk out of there with a thousand dollars or I got lots of gifts.
[37:00]Like I got lots of stuff in the sky.
[37:04]I don't know.
[37:10]She just went up in the room and did her thing and she continued to work for him afterwards.
[37:13]I don't know.
[37:14]I don't think she still does.
[37:17]She may, may not.
[37:18]I don't know.
[37:27]You went quite a few times with the neon.
[37:29]You actually had an encounter with one of his doormen when you were coming to get an offer.
[37:33]That was in my Riata, actually.
[37:35]I drove a little Riata.
[37:36]I was coming to get an envelope with two thousand dollars in it.
[37:40]My Christmas bonus.
[37:41]Oh my God.
[37:44]The cop actually was like, how do you know Jeffrey?
[37:46]I was like, I'm friends with his girlfriend.
[37:50]I use his pool every once in a while or something.
[37:53]But that was crazy.
[37:55]Yeah, he, the housekeeper just was expecting me, but he didn't know.
[37:59]He was gone when I arrived and then he came home and saw that there was a car and he didn't realize that it was my car, but he was expecting me.
[38:07]So he called me.
[38:08]He called the police.
[38:09]I was like, what the fuck, man?
[38:10]I'm just coming here to pick up money.
[38:11]But that was that.
[38:12]Okay.
[38:13]Let's get to the part where things escalated.
[38:14]Did you see something?
[38:18]Yeah, let me go ahead and stop the tape and install another one because it's almost
[38:19]at the end.
[38:20]You don't have anything important to do, do you?
[38:21]Okay.
[38:22]Okay.
[38:23]At this point, I'm going to go ahead and stop the tape.
[38:26]It's time for my watch.
[38:27]It's approximately 5.02 PM.
[38:28]Okay.
[38:29]Okay.
[38:30]Okay.
[38:31]Okay.
[38:32]Okay.
[38:34]Okay.
[38:35]Okay.
[38:36]Okay.
[38:37]Okay.
[38:38]Okay.
[38:39]Okay.
[38:40]Okay.
[38:41]Okay.
[38:42]Okay.
[38:43]Okay.