[0:03]SPEAKER_02:Do you know whether she kept any lists of names of girls to come and give massages?
[0:14]SPEAKER_00:She didn't.
[0:15]SPEAKER_02:What?
[0:16]SPEAKER_02:And do you know in what form she kept those?
[0:21]SPEAKER_00:She had notes, you know, and she always had papers, but I don't know how.
[0:29]SPEAKER_02:Do you recall seeing the papers with telephone numbers on them?
[0:34]SPEAKER_00:A couple of times.
[0:36]SPEAKER_02:Do you know whether she also kept records on the computer relating to the girls?
[0:43]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[0:45]SPEAKER_02:And how do you know that?
[0:48]SPEAKER_00:Everything was recorded in the computer.
[0:51]SPEAKER_00:Everything we did as employees, we used to record in the internal circuit we used to have among the employees.
[1:06]SPEAKER_02:And so would it be, if I understand you correctly then, was there some sort of a program so that you could access information putting into that program and she could access information you put in?
[1:20]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[1:21]SPEAKER_02:And did you also send each other emails that way or did you use a different program for emails?
[1:29]SPEAKER_00:She didn't send direct emails to me, but she will call me on her cell.
[1:33]SPEAKER_00:But I was supposed to send to Citrix through the other employees.
[1:40]SPEAKER_02:You emailed them through Citrix?
[1:44]SPEAKER_02:Yes, ma'am.
[1:44]SPEAKER_02:Okay.
[1:44]SPEAKER_02:And who would those other employees be, have been, I mean, while you were there?
[1:50]SPEAKER_00:Mrs. Maxwell, Della in New York, and Lee...
[2:00]SPEAKER_00:Mostly the money people, you know, Bella and... Leslie, was it?
[2:06]SPEAKER_00:Leslie, yes, the secretary.
[2:08]SPEAKER_00:Somebody else, I don't recall.
[2:19]SPEAKER_02:And was there anyone else that you could email?
[2:24]SPEAKER_00:Well, we couldn't email anybody in the organization.
[2:27]SPEAKER_02:On that particular program?
[2:30]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[2:33]SPEAKER_02:And so who else would be in that organization?
[2:36]SPEAKER_00:Other household managers in Paris or the island or Manhattan.
[2:59]SPEAKER_02:Do you know what kept any pictures of the young women who would come to give massages on her laptop?
[3:07]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[3:10]SPEAKER_02:You saw those pictures?
[3:11]SPEAKER_00:Yes.
[3:25]SPEAKER_02:Were the pictures...
[3:32]SPEAKER_02:Uniform, and by that I mean were they all taken, for instance, there at the house so that they would all be fairly standard?
[3:43]SPEAKER_00:They would be all over, you know, sometimes out of the country and sometimes in the house.
[3:59]SPEAKER_02:Um...
[4:08]SPEAKER_02:Were these pictures that were taken by someone for the purpose of keeping them in that program?
[4:19]SPEAKER_02:I don't know.
[4:21]SPEAKER_02:Or as opposed to, for instance, one of the young ladies bringing a picture to give to me?
[4:27]SPEAKER_00:I don't know.
[4:28]SPEAKER_02:You don't know where the pictures came from?
[4:30]SPEAKER_00:No, ma'am.
[4:31]SPEAKER_02:Do you know, was there anyone staying in the house who often took pictures of young women?
[4:41]SPEAKER_00:There were several cameras in the house and they were used often, but I don't know who used them.
[4:51]SPEAKER_02:Do you remember what kind of cameras they were?
[4:53]SPEAKER_00:They were the small compact cameras.
[5:01]SPEAKER_02:And any other time?
[5:04]SPEAKER_00:I don't remember, ma'am.
[5:08]SPEAKER_02:Did you ever see ****** using that small compact camera to take a picture of the girls?
[5:14]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[5:16]SPEAKER_02:And when you saw her doing that, where were they, the girls?
[5:22]SPEAKER_00:In the dining room, the library, inside the first floor of the house.
[5:41]SPEAKER_02:Did you ever see Ms. Maxwell taking pictures of the girls?
[5:45]SPEAKER_00:Not me.
[5:47]SPEAKER_02:Did you ever see Mr. Epstein taking pictures of the girls?
[5:51]SPEAKER_00:Not me.
[5:54]SPEAKER_02:Were you ever told by anyone that Mr. Epstein sometimes took pictures of the girls?
[5:59]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[6:01]SPEAKER_02:And do you recall who told you that?
[6:04]SPEAKER_00:Um...
[6:11]SPEAKER_02:Do you recall what she said about that?
[6:14]SPEAKER_00:He likes photography and he likes to, it's like a hobby.
[6:24]SPEAKER_02:Do you know which camera or what kind of camera he used to take those pictures?
[6:28]SPEAKER_01:No, ma'am.
[6:30]SPEAKER_02:And you said I think you never saw him taking them.
[6:33]SPEAKER_02:Yes.
[6:34]SPEAKER_01:Yeah, meaning correct?
[6:36]SPEAKER_01:Yes.
[6:37]SPEAKER_01:I know it.
[6:38]SPEAKER_02:Was it your understanding that he took those pictures upstairs?
[6:44]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[6:51]SPEAKER_02:And when you had occasion to go upstairs, do you recall seeing camera equipment?
[7:01]SPEAKER_00:No, ma'am.
[7:09]SPEAKER_02:Were you ever told that he took pictures of the girls nude?
[7:16]SPEAKER_00:No, ma'am.
[7:19]SPEAKER_02:Were you ever told that he liked to have pictures taken of the girls nude?
[7:29]SPEAKER_02:No, ma'am.
[7:39]SPEAKER_02:I believe you were asked before in the deposition about the stairway leading from the kitchen upstairs and whether or not there were pictures on that stairway.
[7:52]SPEAKER_00:Yes, there were pictures.
[7:54]SPEAKER_02:And were those pictures, some of them of nude young women?
[7:58]SPEAKER_00:Not on the stairway.
[8:00]SPEAKER_00:They were in the foyer on the second, on the foyer and the foyer leading to the master bedroom.
[8:06]SPEAKER_02:I see.
[8:07]SPEAKER_02:Were those, what size generally were those pictures?
[8:13]SPEAKER_00:They were, you know, I'd say three by five.
[8:16]SPEAKER_02:So very large pictures.
[8:27]SPEAKER_02:Were there lots of photographs just around the house on top of furniture in the various rooms?
[8:37]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[8:40]SPEAKER_02:And were any of those photographs of young women in the nude?
[8:44]SPEAKER_02:Yes, ma'am.
[8:48]SPEAKER_02:Did you recognize any of those young women?
[8:52]SPEAKER_00:Yes, a couple.
[8:54]SPEAKER_02:And who was it that you recognized?
[8:57]SPEAKER_00:And some other girl from Brazil that was in the house, but I don't recall her name.
[9:13]SPEAKER_02:Was this a girl that would come and stay in the house or one of the girls that would come and give massages?
[9:19]SPEAKER_00:They would stay in the house.
[9:20]SPEAKER_02:Stay in the house.
[9:25]SPEAKER_02:Do you recall a picture of a girl, of a young woman nude in a hammock?
[9:38]SPEAKER_00:I don't remember that.
[9:48]SPEAKER_02:Was there surveillance equipment installed in the house?
[9:52]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[9:53]SPEAKER_02:And was that already installed when you came there?
[9:58]SPEAKER_02:Yes, ma'am.
[10:02]SPEAKER_02:First of all, did they tell you where the equipment was installed?
[10:06]SPEAKER_02:No.
[10:07]SPEAKER_02:Did you have any understanding of where the equipment was installed?
[10:12]No.
[10:21]SPEAKER_02:Do you know whether or not there was surveillance photography equipment upstairs and downstairs?
[10:34]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[10:36]SPEAKER_02:And how do you know that?
[10:37]SPEAKER_00:I read it through the FBI report after the fact that I left the job.
[10:48]SPEAKER_02:Before reading through the FBI report, did you have any knowledge of the fact that there was surveillance equipment both upstairs and downstairs?
[10:59]SPEAKER_00:No, ma'am.
[11:12]SPEAKER_02:While you were there?
[11:13]SPEAKER_02:Was there ever an occasion when someone came to do any maintenance or repair surveillance equipment?
[11:21]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[11:23]SPEAKER_00:I'm going to ask one last question.
[11:25]SPEAKER_02:Pardon?
[11:26]SPEAKER_02:Go on.
[11:27]SPEAKER_02:Last question.
[11:32]SPEAKER_02:Did that happen more than one time?
[11:37]SPEAKER_00:I believe so.
[11:38]SPEAKER_00:Yes, ma'am.
[11:40]SPEAKER_02:Do you have any recollection of who...
[11:44]SPEAKER_02:Who came there, either the name of the company or the name of the person who would come to repair or do maintenance on the video equipment?
[11:53]SPEAKER_00:We used to have a young technician from Ohio who used to maintain all the computers and he would be the only one dealing with those things.
[12:04]SPEAKER_02:And so he maintained the computers and the video equipment?
[12:08]SPEAKER_02:Yes.
[12:08]SPEAKER_02:Correct.
[12:18]SPEAKER_02:Do you have any recollection of what his name was?
[12:22]SPEAKER_00:I don't remember.
[12:24]SPEAKER_00:He came from New Albany, Ohio, but I don't remember his name.
[12:28]SPEAKER_02:From New Albany, Ohio.
[12:30]SPEAKER_02:New Albany, Ohio.
[12:35]SPEAKER_02:And did he have his own business?
[12:38]SPEAKER_00:No, he worked for Mr. Epstein.
[12:41]SPEAKER_00:He will maintain all the computers.
[12:54]SPEAKER_02:Was he there every day?
[12:55]SPEAKER_00:No, ma'am.
[13:02]SPEAKER_02:Do you know whether at that time Mr. Epstein had an office in Palm Beach?
[13:08]SPEAKER_00:Not outside the house, ma'am.
[13:26]SPEAKER_02:Do you have any knowledge of whether or not the video equipment was, and I don't know the technical term, forgive me, but was it the kind of equipment that would record for a certain amount of time and then record over that film?
[13:43]SPEAKER_01:I don't know.
[13:44]SPEAKER_02:You don't know?
[13:45]SPEAKER_01:No.
[13:45]SPEAKER_01:Okay.
[13:46]SPEAKER_01:For clarification, I may have misunderstood, but I thought he said he didn't even know that video equipment existed until he read the FBI report.
[13:53]SPEAKER_02:He said he didn't know that it was upstairs and downstairs, I believe.
[13:56]SPEAKER_01:I thought he said he didn't know that it even existed.
[14:00]SPEAKER_02:I may be wrong.
[14:01]SPEAKER_02:Did you know it existed before you read the FBI report?
[14:05]SPEAKER_02:No, ma'am.
[14:05]SPEAKER_02:Okay.
[14:05]SPEAKER_02:I'm sorry.
[14:06]SPEAKER_02:Then I was wrong.
[14:09]SPEAKER_02:How did you know then that the young technician from Ohio maintained the computers and the video equipment?
[14:16]SPEAKER_00:Because we used to request.
[14:18]SPEAKER_00:There were always problems with the computer, so he came to the house and he was the programmer.
[14:25]SPEAKER_00:It was very sophisticated equipment.
[14:29]SPEAKER_01:One of the last questions we'll have to strike the answer is non-responsive.
[14:33]SPEAKER_02:Well, how did you know then that he maintains the video equipment as well?
[14:37]SPEAKER_00:Because he was in charge of computers, video, even phones.
[14:54]SPEAKER_02:Would he also repair the televisions if they needed?
[14:57]SPEAKER_02:No.
[14:58]SPEAKER_02:No.