[0:00]Newly released documents that were missing from the Epstein files contain serious, unverified
[0:04]allegations against President Trump.
[0:07]The Justice Department posted three FBI memos describing interviews with a woman who accuses
[0:12]both Jeffrey Epstein and President Trump of sexually assaulting her when she was
[0:16]a teenager.
[0:17]The White House calls the accusations completely baseless.
[0:21]CNN's Paula Reed is in Washington with the latest.
[0:24]Paula, these were missing from earlier file releases, right?
[0:31]That's right.
[0:32]And this individual was interviewed by the FBI four times and initially only one memo
[0:37]was released in that initial batch of documents released by the Justice Department.
[0:42]And that was an interview where she made allegations against Jeffrey Epstein but not
[0:45]against President Trump.
[0:47]Now, yesterday these additional summaries were released and they detail the types
[0:52]of allegations that she made against President Trump where she describes being introduced
[0:57]to him.
[0:58]She alleges that he asked everyone to leave the room and, quote, mentioned something
[1:03]to the effect of, quote, let's teach you how little girls are supposed to be and then
[1:07]describes an encounter where he pushes her head down to his penis and then told
[1:12]agents she bit Trump, who then allegedly struck her and said something like, get
[1:17]this little expletive the hell out of here.
[1:19]Now, in her third interview, she allegedly said that she was receiving threatening calls.
[1:24]And in her fourth interview, it's interesting, she told investigators that she was concerned
[1:28]about why she was even coming forward because the statute of limitations had passed.
[1:33]Now, I do want to make sure we get in here the fact that President Trump has
[1:36]consistently denied any wrongdoing in a statement yesterday.
[1:40]The White House described these allegations as, quote, completely baseless, backed
[1:44]by zero credible evidence.
[1:46]The U.S. Justice Department has released documents involving President Trump that had
[1:50]been missing, suspiciously rather, from the Epstein files.
[1:55]They include FBI memos from three interviews with a woman who alleges she was sexually
[2:00]assaulted by then-citizen Trump when she was a teenager.
[2:03]The president has consistently denied any wrongdoing.
[2:06]We should note that the inclusion of interviews in the Epstein files is not necessarily
[2:11]evidence of wrongdoing.
[2:13]It is an interview.
[2:15]White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt slammed the release of the documents,
[2:18]saying in part, quote, the total baselessness of these accusations is also supported by
[2:22]the obvious fact that Joe Biden's Department of Justice knew about them for four years
[2:27]and did nothing with them because they knew President Trump did absolutely nothing wrong,
[2:32]unquote.
[2:33]As the Trump White House continues to shrug off the scandal, Congress is pushing ahead,
[2:37]voting to subpoena Attorney General Pam Bondi, the subpoena to testify stems from
[2:41]the House Oversight Committee's investigation into the Epstein files and the federal
[2:46]government's handling of the case against Epstein and his sex trafficking accomplices.
[2:52]My next guest is a survivor of Epstein.
[2:55]Annie Farmer joins us now.
[2:56]Annie, let me start off by saying I know asking you about the worst experience of
[3:02]your life is not fun for you, not really for me either.
[3:06]How are you?
[3:10]Oh, I appreciate that, Jake.
[3:11]I'm doing all right.
[3:12]I'm glad to be with you.
[3:14]What questions might you have for Attorney General Pam Bondi?
[3:20]Oh, I have a lot.
[3:22]You know, I was actually really happy to see that Pam Bondi has, you know, there
[3:28]was people on both sides of the aisle came together to say that she needs to testify
[3:32]between the House Oversight Committee because I think, you know, when she was in front
[3:38]of the Judiciary Committee, she refused to even acknowledge survivors.
[3:42]The questions that were asked, there was a lot of, you know, deflection and avoidance.
[3:48]And so really, you know, we still don't understand how this release of information
[3:53]was so terribly botched when again and again we see powerful people being protected
[4:00]and information about survivors, you know, not being properly redacted.
[4:05]So I think we have a lot of questions for her.
[4:08]I'll remind our viewers that when Attorney General Bondi was asked about a matter
[4:11]relating to the Epstein files, she started talking about how the Dow had reached 50,000.
[4:16]And that's what members of Congress should have been focused on.
[4:19]Over the last few weeks, we have seen across the pond in foreign countries,
[4:25]investigations start, foreign leaders get in trouble, even a former member of the Royals.
[4:31]There has been some accountability for actions related to the case.
[4:34]What does it tell you that the U.S.
[4:36]government is not, at least as far as we know, doing so in terms of investigations and accountability?
[4:45]I think a lot of people are looking at this and wondering why.
[4:48]You know, what is it that's different that's happening here?
[4:51]I mean, we know this was a global conspiracy.
[4:54]So, I mean, a global, there were people all over the world involved in this operation.
[4:57]And so I'm glad to see that people are doing things overseas.
[5:02]It makes me hopeful that real investigations could happen.
[5:05]But I do feel frustrated that that's not happening here.
[5:08]I think we need we need more of that.
[5:10]You were invited to the State of the Union address last week.
[5:15]Tell us about that experience.
[5:19]Yeah, I was able to go with Congressman Robert Garcia.
[5:23]And he's been a real champion for this investigation in the House Oversight Committee.
[5:28]So I was glad to be there with him.
[5:30]It was it was actually pretty challenging, though, to sit through Trump's speech
[5:37]when he it seemed like he just had a different vision of the country that he was presenting
[5:44]and different vision of events.
[5:45]You know, he, of course, did not acknowledge any of the survivors that were present.
[5:48]And we weren't really expecting him to.
[5:51]But we were there to remind him that we're not going away, that, you know,
[5:56]the United States, I think, is very much still interested in getting to the bottom of this.
[6:01]And once answers any farmer, thank you so much and best to your sister as well.
[6:05]We appreciate you're coming here today and know it's not easy.
[6:08]A very rare and stunning rebuke of the attorney general of the United States,
[6:12]Pam Bondi, by members of the president's own party.
[6:15]Yes, five Republicans on the key House Oversight Committee defying their chairman
[6:20]and joining with Democrats to subpoena Bondi over the Justice Department's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein case.
[6:27]CNN crime and justice correspondent Caleb Polantz is here with us.
[6:30]So tell us more about what these lawmakers want from the attorney general.
[6:33]Well, they're making a turn.
[6:34]A lot of this investigation the House Oversight Committee has done around Jeffrey Epstein has been talking to people about Epstein himself.
[6:42]They brought in former President Bill Clinton for a deposition.
[6:45]They had Bill Barr, a predecessor of Pam Bondi.
[6:49]But now it's a question of how the Justice Department under Bondi's watch handled the redaction,
[6:56]the processing and the public release of these files after Congress mandated transparency for them.
[7:03]The representative Nancy Mase, a Republican on the committee, was the one that moved to subpoena Bondi for testimony about this
[7:10]and has made clear one of the issues here for the committee is that not all of the Epstein files have been released.
[7:18]Congress is not happy with the Justice Department and with Pam Bondi.
[7:22]And really, it has been a boondoggle for the Justice Department as they've been working through these files and getting them up.
[7:29]There were failures to redact information of victims exposing survivors' private information.
[7:37]There are documents that have not been released still and questions about that.
[7:42]And also, Pam Bondi is the person who a year ago said that the Epstein client list was on her desk and that never materialized as a real thing.
[7:53]So it's going to be a really tough deposition for Pam Bondi.
[7:56]We're waiting to see what the Justice Department does to respond.
[7:58]We'll wait with you, Caitlin Poulos. Thank you very, very much.
[8:02]Thanks so much, Caitlin.
[8:03]Democrats on the House Oversight Committee believe that Jeffrey Epstein's longtime attorney might have perjured himself in today's deposition.
[8:11]Darren Indyke claims that he had, quote, no knowledge whatsoever, unquote, of Epstein's wrongdoing and rejected any suggestion
[8:19]he had assisted or facilitated his former boss's crimes.
[8:22]But House Democrats, well, they're not buying it.
[8:25]Some Democrats are pointing out that Indyke helped various women in Epstein's orbit over the years to fix their problems,
[8:31]reportedly getting one woman an apartment, helping others with immigration issues.
[8:36]So let's bring in the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, Democratic Congressman Robert Garcia of California, specifically congressman.
[8:44]What evidence do you have that indicates that this longtime Epstein attorney might have perjured himself?
[8:49]Look, I first didn't buy much of what he said.
[8:52]I think what's really important for folks to know is that Indyke was at the center and the facilitator of much of Epstein's crimes.
[8:59]He was his personal lawyer. He was on his defense counsel.
[9:03]We have heard from survivors, multiple survivors, that he was at the center of providing services to many of the women and services like what?
[9:11]Services like payments, services like helping them with immigration, services like helping them find places to live.
[9:19]And so questions that were asked today, I thought could have led us to better answers.
[9:24]I thought he kept weaving, not giving full answers.
[9:27]I don't believe all of this testimony.
[9:29]And more importantly, he should have way more information about what actually Epstein did and didn't give any of that today.
[9:35]So, I mean, I guess theoretically you're saying that his argument was, look, I just did what my boss Jeffrey Epstein told me to do.
[9:43]These women needed money. I didn't know that it was sex trafficking.
[9:46]And do the women dispute that?
[9:49]I think when you ask the women who they believe are at the center of Epstein's crimes and help facilitate that,
[9:57]two of the names that come up most often are Indyke and Kahn, who, of course, are the attorney and the former lawyer, personal lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein.
[10:06]Now, we just, of course, interviewed Richard Kahn last week.
[10:10]We've interviewed now Darren Indyke today, and we actually gained a lot of information.
[10:14]And I think that there are things that we are pooling from these interviews that are really important in putting together the timeline,
[10:21]understanding where information is, getting additional names of finances, who actually paid Jeffrey Epstein so he can commit all these horrific crimes.
[10:29]Every deposition brings us closer to the truth, and we actually gain really critical information, as we did today.
[10:35]Although you might not say that about Pam Bondi's deposition, right?
[10:39]You and a lot of other Democrats frustrated for not committing to honor her subpoena yesterday and sit for a deposition when pressed about it during her briefing yesterday.
[10:49]This is what House Oversight Chair Republican James Comer said about Democrats on the committee today.
[10:55]Take a listen.
[10:58]We have a lot of dead weight on this committee and the behavior of the Democrats yesterday was unacceptable.
[11:06]And, you know, we're going to have to come back and talk as a conference, the majority, to see what we do moving forward.
[11:17]What's your response to that?
[11:19]I mean, that's ridiculous.
[11:21]It was Chairman Comer that actually insulted and called one of our members a derogatory name during the hearing.
[11:27]And let's be clear about what actually happened.
[11:29]Or he said she was bitching.
[11:30]She was bitching. Yeah, that's derogatory and disrespectful to one of the members.
[11:35]It's just a gerund.
[11:36]And she was very offended by that, as she should be.
[11:40]Look, I think we found out about this what they called a briefing 24 hours before the briefing.
[11:45]So the day before, they tell us that the attorney general is going to come brief us on top of our hearing that was scheduled.
[11:51]We don't know the format. We walk in there. It's set up like a hearing.
[11:54]She gives no briefing.
[11:56]She just basically says, OK, I'm here to answer questions.
[11:58]And so our first question was very simple.
[12:01]Attorney General, are you committing to coming back under oath as you've been subpoenaed to do so to testify transcribed so that can be available to the American public?
[12:11]And she would not commit to that.
[12:12]So we're not going to play games in a fake briefing or hearing when she won't publicly commit to following the legal subpoena to have her come in and testify under oath.
[12:21]Congresswoman Stansberry was on the show yesterday.
[12:24]Actually, in the midst of your press conference, she came and talked to us.
[12:27]And one of the things she said is that Todd Blanche, the deputy attorney general and Pam Bondi, the attorney general, said that that's it.
[12:34]You've gotten all the files we're going to give you, even though I believe there are six million files and they've given three million.
[12:41]And of those three million, obviously they had they were not redacted the way that they were supposed to have been redacted.
[12:47]Some names of people who are not survivors were taken out and all the rest.
[12:52]Is that true that they said you've gotten all we're going to give you?
[12:56]And also, what do you do if an attorney general doesn't comply with a law?
[13:01]So one is they have said that they've released all the files that that they can under the law.
[13:05]And we reminded them is that there is a law that does allow for some communications around interagency communication, ongoing federal investigations.
[13:16]You can withhold those documents.
[13:17]But there's also a subpoena that's been in place for multiple months on the exact same set of documents.
[13:22]The subpoena does not have those restrictions and does not have that language, which is why we did both a subpoena and the law there.
[13:29]But they both work together.
[13:31]And so they are right now illegally withholding approximately half the documents of the obscene files that we need to ensure that we actually get justice for the survivors and get the full truth out to the American public.
[13:43]And it's ridiculous to continue to engage in this White House cover up of the remaining files.
[13:48]We're not going to stop till we get all the files.
[13:50]And it's for the attorney general.
[13:51]She next step is for her to come in to that deposition.
[13:54]And if she chooses not to, I expect the Republicans to begin a contempt process just like we did for the Clinton.
[14:01]Well, you say that, but Republican Lauren Boebert said that she was embarrassed that she had voted to subpoena.
[14:09]Bondi, are you worried about the I forget if it was four or five Republicans that had joined you on your efforts to subpoena.
[14:14]Bondi, are you worried about them backing away?
[14:16]Well, the subpoena is out.
[14:17]I mean, James Kummer has already sent the subpoena to the attorney general.
[14:21]They'd have to come back, restart a hearing, revote.
[14:23]I mean, that would be outrageous.
[14:25]Pretty unprecedented.
[14:27]The subpoena has been already sent to the attorney general.
[14:30]There's a tentative date of April the 14th.
[14:32]She needs to testify under oath transcribed.
[14:36]And then that needs to be available to the American public.
[14:38]Last question.
[14:39]If she doesn't do that, if Republicans allow the administration to do what they're doing, not give all the files, not testify under oath for the Pan-Bondi, et cetera, et cetera,
[14:50]and House Democrats retake the House in November, which is possible, what would you as a chairman of the Oversight Committee do?
[14:58]Well, one should be held in contempt immediately to not comply with the subpoena, to not turn over the documents.
[15:03]That would be number one.
[15:05]And if that were to continue, I think folks are talking about other, more and stronger ways of either removing her or having the president.
[15:13]Impeaching, impeaching her.
[15:14]Look, that has to be on the table.
[15:15]I think step one is a contempt process.
[15:18]She has to show up to the deposition.
[15:19]I think we in the majority will have direct subpoena power to get so many more documents, not just from the DOJ, but from the Epstein estate and other places.
[15:28]That's going to be important.
[15:29]Democratic Congressman Robert Garcia of California, top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee.
[15:33]Thank you so much.
[15:33]Today, Jeffrey Epstein's personal lawyer and co-executor of his estate told lawmakers he had no knowledge whatsoever of Epstein's sex trafficking operations.
[15:43]Darren Indyk testified as part of the House Oversight Committee's investigation into the late convicted sex offender.
[15:49]Documents reviewed by CNN show Indyk represented Epstein for nearly 25 years, including during Epstein's incarceration.
[15:57]One Democrat on the committee says he thinks Indyk likely perjured himself.
[16:01]He claimed, and I think this is in the statement you all received, that he had no knowledge of any women or girls.
[16:08]And yet that doesn't account for the fact that numerous women have described how he helped them fix their problems.
[16:15]One woman had described how he had helped her get an apartment.
[16:20]He helped women with their immigration issues.
[16:25]We're joined now by James Marsh.
[16:26]He's an attorney who represents several survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse.
[16:32]And thank you so much for being with us.
[16:33]I do want to read to you something that we have just learned.
[16:36]And that is Chairman Comer has said that Indyk testified saying he said that Epstein told him it was a mistake,
[16:44]meaning after the 2008 plea deal that he agreed to.
[16:49]He said it was a one time deal.
[16:51]He didn't know the girl was underage, the one that he got convicted of in West Palm Beach.
[16:56]And Indyk said he convinced him he would never do it again and that he had remorse.
[17:00]So that was about it.
[17:02]What do you think hearing that?
[17:05]Look, by 2008, anyone who could Google or look up any information about Jeffrey Epstein could see a long history of his shady involvement
[17:15]with things like Tower Financial, some of the other, you know, frauds and crimes that he'd committed.
[17:22]So I think, like all of the other witnesses that were in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit,
[17:28]the excuse that I didn't have actual knowledge, didn't know, couldn't know, shouldn't have known, it really rings hollow.
[17:35]And it's an insult to the victims and survivors that we represent and other women who experienced Jeffrey Epstein's sex abuse,
[17:43]trafficking and crimes.
[17:46]These were the people who had responsibility for enabling Jeffrey Epstein, for promoting Jeffrey Epstein and for helping to cover up his wrongdoing.
[17:55]So I think in terms of credibility, these people have very little to none.
[18:00]What are you hoping comes out of this?
[18:02]What are you hoping to learn from Indyk, considering that according to a report from the Wall Street Journal,
[18:07]he was never questioned by federal authorities while Epstein and Maxwell were being investigated?
[18:14]Well, as a lawyer, it would be very unusual, I think, for federal officials and law enforcement to question him.
[18:20]There's the attorney-client privilege that even survives Jeffrey Epstein's death.
[18:25]So I'm not sure if he raised that today at all.
[18:28]Certainly none of these people are pleading the fifth because, you know, that makes them look guilty.
[18:33]Much easier to prevaricate and say, well, you know, I had no actual knowledge.
[18:38]There is nothing, you know, that indicated to me that there was anything amiss here.
[18:43]I mean, those are much more palatable answers for Congress and the American people.
[18:47]But I think people are smart enough to know at this point that, you know, people like Indyk and the con and the other people within Jeffrey Epstein's orbit,
[18:57]they really have no incentive to tell the truth.
[18:59]There's no really information to discover from them because they have a vested interest in maintaining, you know, sort of a nebulous secret.
[19:08]You know, well, I didn't really know.
[19:11]I couldn't have known.
[19:12]There's nothing to be gained by these individuals from telling the truth.
[19:16]So it doesn't surprise me that that law enforcement didn't question him as Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer.
[19:21]But clearly, there were a lot of things that were lacking in the law enforcement investigation,
[19:28]dating back to my client, Maria Farmer, in 1996, who made this report that literally could have put Jeffrey Epstein away for 20 years in 1996.
[19:37]So it's a lot of questions to be asked here.
[19:39]Yeah, that was just verified, obviously, in this release of Epstein files.
[19:44]A copy of Epstein's trust shows he planned to leave Indyk $50 million.
[19:50]What questions does that raise for you?
[19:53]I mean, he clearly has got a vested interest in this testimony and he clearly has a vested interest in wrapping up the estate as soon as possible and getting a cash distribution.
[20:01]I mean, people are smart enough to realize that if you've got $50 million at stake,
[20:06]it doesn't really benefit you to give a tell-all tale of the seeded life and times of Jeffrey Epstein.
[20:13]Again, these people have no credibility whatsoever.
[20:17]And although Congress, I think, is doing the right thing by going through these steps and putting these people on the record under oath,
[20:24]maybe they will find a reason to charge him with perjury.
[20:27]Sometimes, ironically, that's more effective than getting him on the crimes directly.
[20:33]So we'll see what becomes of that.
[20:35]I know that, I don't know, for us in the victim community, these answers ring absolutely hollow.
[20:41]Sources say that last night, the Democrats on the committee walked out of the briefing that they were having from Attorney General Pam Bondi
[20:50]and the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch, who is, of course, President Trump's former personal lawyer.
[20:55]Democrats pushed Bondi on whether she would comply with the subpoena to testify,
[20:59]saying they would save their questions for when it would be on the record, meaning under oath.
[21:06]Do you think that was the way to go, or do you think they could have learned something last night, even though it wasn't under oath?
[21:12]How important is that being under oath to your clients?
[21:18]Well, I think all of the statements, whether they're under oath or not, are important to consider in light of everything that we've learned about Jeffrey Epstein.
[21:25]I, among many people, give the administration here some credit for releasing these files to begin with.
[21:31]I never thought we'd see the day where we'd see any of these files.
[21:34]So given the reality that they did release the files, we can quibble about missing files, who was named, who wasn't named.
[21:43]Certainly, those are legitimate avenues of inquiry and there's answers to be had.
[21:49]But in terms of releasing the files, I mean, if I were Bondi, I'd say, you know, look, we did the best we could under a strict deadline.
[21:55]We released as many files as we could, and now we're cleaning up.
[21:58]So I guess I wouldn't shy away from testimony if I were her.
[22:01]And certainly the Democrats in the committee should be present for every statement, whether they like it or not,
[22:06]because there's still a lot of information to be discovered in this case, in the files and in the acts of the government,
[22:13]including the FBI's failure to investigate Maria Farmer's complaint back in 1996.
[22:18]So eventually we'll get to some government accountability here.
[22:21]And I think that's really what my clients are looking for.
[22:24]And many of the survivors want to know.
[22:26]We know all the people that were in Jeffrey Epstein's life had no incentive to turn him in, blow the whistle,
[22:32]reveal all of the unseemly acts that were going on.
[22:35]Many of them participated in this.
[22:38]But in terms of the government and the people that had an obligation to investigate,
[22:42]to keep other women and children safe and to uncover the truth of what happened,
[22:46]I think there's a lot of unanswered questions there.
[22:48]And we look forward to the committee's full exploration of the FBI and the other government officials starting in 1996 to the present day.
[22:56]That's where we really want to get answers.
[22:59]James Marsh, it's great to have you again.
[23:01]Thank you for being with us.
[23:03]Thank you for having me.
[23:04]Reopening the Epstein case in one state.
[23:06]Now, law enforcement in New Mexico are searching a sprawling ranch there formerly owned by convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
[23:14]The ranch is coming under renewed scrutiny because of details and newly released FBI files.
[23:19]Last month, the state's House of Representatives voted to create a bipartisan truth commission looking into allegations of criminal activity there.
[23:27]Joining me now is a member of that commission, New Mexico State Representative Mariana Anaya.
[23:32]Thank you so much for being here.
[23:34]Look, you know, we were looking through the files and in late January,
[23:38]there was a 2019 email received by a local radio host that alleged that somewhere in the hills outside of the Zorro,
[23:45]the ranch, two foreign girls were buried on orders of Jeffrey and Madame G.
[23:51]That is what was written.
[23:53]That is, of course, an unverified allegation.
[23:55]Do you know what authorities are looking for?
[23:58]Are they potentially looking for bodies there?
[24:04]Thank you. Thank you so much for having me this morning.
[24:07]You know, I think at this point, anything is in the realm of possibility.
[24:11]A big misstep that happened previously was that people didn't listen to survivors.
[24:16]People did not listen to tips that came in.
[24:18]And so for us, we are taking everything into consideration.
[24:21]Now, in New Mexico, something that is true for us is that a lot of the history lives in our people.
[24:27]It lives in the land.
[24:28]And so it is not out of the realm of possibility for us to be looking for these types of things.
[24:35]In so many cases, the police and justice system, as you just alluded to,
[24:39]it failed the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and other men who took part in horrible deeds.
[24:46]Do you know to what extent the happenings at the ranch there in New Mexico were investigated in the first place?
[24:56]You know, to our understanding, there was never a full investigation that was done.
[24:59]And that's part of the reason we formed the Truth Commission.
[25:02]We're actually working really closely with the New Mexico Department of Justice,
[25:06]which, of course, is the prosecutory arm.
[25:09]We are the investigatory arm.
[25:12]And we know that not everything is going to rise to the level of a crime.
[25:16]But we do know that as a Truth Commission, we want to be sure that we are telling the entirety of the story, right?
[25:23]What does it mean for an entire community to have this happening in their own backyard?
[25:27]What does it mean to take responsibility for that?
[25:30]What does it mean for the state to take responsibility for any mishappenings?
[25:35]And what does it mean to hold people accountable for their crimes?
[25:38]And so we're working together with the Department of Justice here in New Mexico to make sure that that happens.
[25:44]I just want to ask you about that, because other countries are making arrests.
[25:46]We saw the arrest of former Prince Andrew.
[25:48]We're seeing resignations of very powerful people.
[25:51]In your investigation, do you see any chance that the same will happen here in the U.S.?
[25:59]You know, it's a possibility.
[26:00]I think at the federal level, there is so much disappointment in the fact that there hasn't been action taken.
[26:07]But here in New Mexico, we're really proud that we are leading the way.
[26:10]You know, we are saying, you know what?
[26:12]We believe that there is truth in what the survivors are saying.
[26:16]And we're here to investigate it.
[26:18]Devery Upstein's longtime accountant testified before the House Oversight Committee today as Congress is seeking answers
[26:24]on how the late sex trafficker accumulated his wealth and how it was used for illegal activities.
[26:29]Richard Kahn managed Jeffrey Upstein's vast finances and investments.
[26:33]He's the co-executor of Upstein's estate.
[26:36]And he told lawmakers today that he didn't know the extent of Upstein's crimes until after his death.
[26:42]It's pretty notable testimony given the various cases against Jeffrey Upstein
[26:46]and all the public detailed reporting about his crimes while he was very much still alive.
[26:51]Kahn also testified, quote, that we tracked the expenditures as meticulously as possible,
[26:56]including gifts by Upstein to women and men.
[26:59]The gifts represent a very small fraction of his spending.
[27:02]I did not see them as red flags for abuse or trafficking.
[27:05]My source tonight is a member of the House Oversight Committee, Congressman Ro Khanna, Democrat of California.
[27:10]And thank you, sir, for being here.
[27:12]First off, do you believe him when he says he didn't know about this when Jeffrey Upstein was alive?
[27:17]I don't know.
[27:18]But what I will say is he wasn't very forthcoming about other men that who may have been involved in the abuse.
[27:25]At one point, he said, look, there were hundreds of survivors who were paid settlements
[27:31]and there were people other than Upstein and Maxwell involved because the survivors said that.
[27:37]But beyond that, he really was not that forthcoming.
[27:41]So there's been some confusion tonight or back and forth with the House Oversight Committee
[27:45]and the Republicans on your committee that I'm hoping you can clear up.
[27:47]They say you were trying to have a gotcha moment about President Trump in regards to a question that you asked,
[27:52]that the accountant was not referring to a Trump accuser when he was talking about a settlement the Upstein estate had paid.
[27:58]Can you explain what happened?
[28:00]So I asked about the woman who has alleged that Donald Trump raped her when she was 13.
[28:09]Now, as we know, the FBI released one of those witness interviews first.
[28:13]They didn't release three of the witness interviews.
[28:16]I pushed for that, as did Thomas Massey.
[28:18]Then they released the other three to comply with Thomas Massey and my law.
[28:22]I have no idea whether those are true or not.
[28:24]One of the things her attorney has said is that she was paid a settlement from the Upstein estate.
[28:29]So I said this Jane Doe Fore and I made the actual case number and I said, you know, did the Upstein estate pay this survivor?
[28:39]And the lawyer took a brief pause and he said, can I just confirm to make sure we're talking about the right person?
[28:44]I said, this is the person who was accused President Trump of rape.
[28:48]And then the con said, yes, that person was paid.
[28:53]Hours later, five hours later, he said, oh, no, no, I was talking about a different woman.
[28:59]So he backtracked on on that and people will be able to see the testimony.
[29:03]So I don't know which time he's telling the truth.
[29:05]Maybe he genuinely forgot.
[29:06]But the transcript is pretty clear when people see it that I was talking about the woman who accused President Trump of abuse and rape.
[29:14]OK, because Comer later says that he testified he never saw any transaction paid to the
[29:18]president or his family in terms of what we'll see in this.
[29:22]What were your other takeaways from his testimony?
[29:24]Did you learn anything that you believe helped this investigation?
[29:27]The biggest takeaway is that how many people were financially involved with Epstein at a significant level?
[29:35]Two people who we allegedly already know, Les Wexner and Leon Black.
[29:39]And I just have to say this, because I was up at Dartmouth at the invitation of the university president.
[29:43]Dartmouth still has Leon Black up on their buildings.
[29:47]That is appalling given all that has come out and they need to remove that.
[29:52]And there needs to be accountability for some of these men who have very serious allegations of having abused or raped young girls.
[30:00]And so, you know, he also talked about the Rothschilds being involved and a lot of information about other people who had deep ties allegedly to Epstein.
[30:09]What do you make of what we know of Khan's testimony today?
[30:15]Thanks for having me on, Jake.
[30:16]So Richard Khan is a supremely important figure in Jeffrey Epstein's life.
[30:21]He was his personal accountant for a long time.
[30:23]He sort of held the keys for all of his financial accounts, for all his different legal entities, his holding companies, for everything.
[30:32]We don't know enough about his testimony.
[30:33]My understanding is we're going to see a full transcript of it at some point, hopefully soon.
[30:38]But the fact that he's disclosing his financial clients is important.
[30:42]Obviously, I think the biggest question for me is what did he make of all these transfers to these, you know,
[30:48]random seeing Eastern European women from Epstein's accounts?
[30:51]Did he have the understanding?
[30:53]It was for some kind of hush money.
[30:54]If not, what did he think it was for?
[30:56]These are the sorts of things that I'm asking.
[30:58]So billionaires Leon Black and Les Wexner entrusted Epstein with their finances.
[31:03]Lots of questions about that.
[31:05]And then you have some new reporting about Epstein's desperate attempt to acquire another billionaire client,
[31:10]Mort Zuckerman, the longtime owner of U.S. News and World Report.
[31:13]Tell us about that.
[31:16]Yeah, so they have a really interesting relationship.
[31:18]They've been friends for a long time.
[31:20]They had some plans to go into business together, create some sort of media company, actually, that didn't really work out in the early 2000s.
[31:26]And they are all these emails between them.
[31:28]They're constantly having dinners.
[31:29]They seem to be good friends.
[31:31]And then in around 2013, Mort Zuckerman's health was declining and he had dinner with Jeffrey Epstein.
[31:39]And it seems like he asked Epstein, hey, can you kind of look at my estate matters and see if everything is good?
[31:44]And there's this really long and interesting chain of emails between them where Jeffrey Epstein says, you know,
[31:51]it looks like the numbers are bad.
[31:52]Things are a bad situation.
[31:53]You could owe hundreds of million dollars in taxes, you know, but you can pay me a few 10, 10 million, like 40 million dollars and I'll handle it for you.
[32:01]And, you know, at the end of the day, Mort Zuckerman didn't decide to hire him and take his advice.
[32:08]And at that point is where Jeffrey Epstein gets really aggressive and nasty and very much trying to land him as his client.
[32:16]You also have new reporting about the doctor who conducted Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy, Dr.
[32:21]Kristen Roman, and why she hesitated to declare his death a suicide.
[32:26]Tell us about that.
[32:28]So this has been one of these longstanding mysteries about Jeffrey Epstein.
[32:31]We, Kristen Roman is the doctor who conducted the autopsy.
[32:35]And we've known from Michael Bodden, who's this other forensic pathologist hired by Jeffrey Epstein's brother, that he believed the death was a homicide.
[32:43]But we didn't know for a long time what Kristen Roman, who actually did the autopsy, thought.
[32:48]But she gave an interview with the Inspector General of Justice Department a few years ago and now we finally have the transcripts.
[32:55]And we understand why she was initially undetermined about whether it was a homicide or suicide.
[33:00]She basically said that from the beginning it was pretty clear it was a suicide in her professional opinion, but she hesitated because it was such a high profile case.
[33:07]And for no good reason, in my opinion, this opinion was withheld from us for several years.
[33:14]But it's very interesting to see how she goes through the bones broken in his neck and all these sorts of things.
[33:20]And how she says this is consistent with her opinion that it was, in fact, a suicide and not a homicide.
[33:26]What stood out to you most from the testimony of his former accountant, Richard Kahn, that you guys heard from yesterday?
[33:35]Yes, well, he's the fifth person that's come forward and said that President Trump was not involved in any of this nonsense on the island or horrible, horrific acts that took place.
[33:47]And also, I think you need to realize, too, that everybody says that Epstein was employed by one specific group.
[33:54]But I think he was just any willing provider.
[33:57]He operated a very in-depth rape ring.
[34:02]I hate calling that sex ring because adults and children is not sex.
[34:06]That is rape, and it needs to be called that.
[34:08]And I think he negotiated stuff with other groups.
[34:13]And I think that's why you saw, let's see, there was at least 64 companies or financial entities that used managed Epstein's money.
[34:21]That's not the way a normal person does it unless they're trying to hide something.
[34:25]And that's exactly what he did.
[34:26]And he did a pretty dead gum good job of it.
[34:29]And so I think we still this is layers of an onion.
[34:32]And I don't think we're there yet.
[34:33]I think we need to keep digging and get to the bottom of this because I think this is also the tip of the iceberg of this going on in our world.
[34:40]I just left our Internet crimes against children Wayne here in Knoxville, Tennessee.
[34:47]And again, I was I was in the state legislature and I was able to get five million dollars to fund it all across the state.
[34:54]And it's just a drop in the bucket of what's really going on in this world with these deviants.
[34:59]And I honestly, I think we need to send them to hell as fast as possible and get to everybody who's involved with this and is guilty.
[35:08]Because America is not this isn't going away and we need to start addressing it.
[35:13]But we need to quit. We need to start thinking about what's going on in our own dad gum backyards.
[35:17]Well, because that's where it's happening and it's in its dangerous situation.
[35:25]Infamous sex offender Jeffrey Epstein used the secluded island to both wine and dine the rich and build a trap.
[35:36]Where women and children as young as 12 describe rape, sexual abuse and trafficking.
[35:43]The girls and young women who went on the island were basic prisoners.
[35:48]You couldn't leave a CNN review of thousands of videos, photos and emails in the DOJ files.
[35:54]Written testimony from victims and satellite imagery paint the clearest picture yet of how Epstein transformed this island into an elaborate crime scene.
[36:04]The files show the signs of abuse captured on camera.
[36:08]It's just for Jeffrey's amusement.
[36:11]Powerful guests publicly and repeatedly say they didn't see this abuse, but it was so obvious and bold, according to one victim,
[36:18]that anyone spending significant time at any of Epstein's residences would have clearly been aware of what was going on.
[36:25]To do what he planned, Epstein used the island's seclusion.
[36:28]This is my swimming pool. No one's allowed to dock here. My beach.
[36:37]Helicopter or boat were the only way visitors could get to the island he purchased for about $8 million in 1998.
[36:45]In 2002, satellite images show the island. Little St. James was barely developed.
[36:51]Just one main house here and a few small buildings on the northern tip of the roughly 70 acre island.
[36:56]Over the next two decades, you can see Epstein's building spree as he transformed it into a luxurious vacation escape, expanding the main home to the north.
[37:06]He built a larger pool, new cabanas, upgraded rooms, a dental office for some unknown reason,
[37:13]and this unusual looking building referred to in the files as a temple.
[37:18]He also bought a $300,000 antique desk and statues worth about 100 grand.
[37:23]As Epstein developed his getaway, he wrote repeatedly in emails to business and government leaders, come visit me on my island.
[37:31]Even after Epstein was convicted in 2008 for sex crimes, including one involving a minor, the visitors kept coming.
[37:38]Like LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, who explained on a podcast late last year that he briefly went to the island while fundraising for MIT.
[37:46]He was a masterful networker.
[37:48]But beneath Epstein's business dealings, Virgin Islands prosecutors say Epstein coerced girls as young as 12 into sexual activity.
[37:57]One victim said she was trapped on the island.
[38:00]I tried to escape Epstein and the others by trying to swim off after spending the day being raped.
[38:11]Epstein's home decor even showed signs of his crimes.
[38:15]There were bunk beds.
[38:17]And I said to him, I said, oh, my God, are you expecting grandchildren?
[38:20]And he said, no, these are for my these are for the girls.
[38:23]We spoke with architect and interior designer Robert Couturier.
[38:27]He was hired by Epstein to work on the island.
[38:29]He backed out of the project after a few months and then told the FBI this is what Epstein instructed.
[38:36]Especially for the bunk rooms, they had to be for girls.
[38:40]They had to be for girls.
[38:42]There's pink and this sort of thing.
[38:46]So there's no mistaking this wasn't for women.
[38:48]There's no mistaking.
[38:50]You don't put women on bunk beds.
[38:51]I'm sorry, unless you are in some youth hostel somewhere, but you don't have guest rooms with bunk beds for ladies.
[39:00]And inside the house, there was another little room with computers.
[39:03]And I said, what is this room?
[39:05]And he said, this room is for the girls when they have fun and they play with their computers.
[39:11]The whole house was very odd because we were on the beach and the house had heavy dark curtains everywhere.
[39:18]The windows were never really opened.
[39:20]It felt terrible.
[39:22]And he also asked me, said, I want to build a big TV room, a movie cinema underneath the pool and I will furnish it with beds.
[39:34]Everybody knew what was happening on that island.
[39:38]Even his staff, people worked for him.
[39:40]A former staffer said the main home had many pictures of young girls, some topless, looking about 15 to 16 years old.
[39:48]In room after room of the island home, the files show visible signs of something off, like Epstein in his kitchen chasing girls or young women.
[40:00]And his staff noticed.
[40:02]A former chef said every hour Epstein would take a girl down to his master bedroom, then order his maid to clean up.
[40:09]Another staffer worried about Epstein's guests.
[40:12]He described seeing an unnamed man with girls who did not look 18 and they were all naked.
[40:18]He also told the FBI he saw then Prince Andrew grinding against some young girl in the pool.
[40:24]UK authorities arrested Andrew last month, saying they're reviewing claims he shared sensitive government information with Epstein.
[40:30]Andrew was released and denies he did anything wrong.
[40:34]Victims say visitors could have seen all this as early as the mid 2000s.
[40:38]One victim described a 2007 visit by Google co-founder Sergey Brin and then fiance and 23 Ami co-founder Anne Wojcicki.
[40:47]They observed that we did not speak and that we remained mute.
[40:50]Sergey and Anne witnessed our souls and bodies riddled with fear.
[40:54]They said nothing. They did nothing.
[40:56]A man who looks like Brin about the same age as he was in 2007 is seen in this picture in the DOJ files, though it is undated.
[41:04]Former head of Victoria's Secret, Les Wexner, described his visit in a video deposition.
[41:09]Walked around for a while, left, probably an hour visit.
[41:14]On that trip, do you recall seeing any prominent figures on the island?
[41:18]No, it was a pretty crummy island.
[41:21]After Epstein's 2008 sex crimes conviction, an email shows a sultan from the United Arab Emirates, Ahmed bin Sulaim, paid a visit.
[41:29]The sultan separately traded lewd emails with Epstein, telling him he was going to sample a fresh 100 percent female Russian at my yacht.
[41:38]Howard Lutnick, now Trump's Commerce Secretary, dropped by in 2012.
[41:42]He's seen here in this undated photo.
[41:45]Lutnick said last month he saw nothing concerning.
[41:48]We had lunch on the island.
[41:50]That is true for an hour.
[41:52]And we left with all of my children, with my nannies and my wife all together.
[41:57]We were on family vacation.
[41:59]What do you think about the people who did go to the island and say they never saw anything?
[42:05]Listen, I think you can decide that you're blind.
[42:09]You can decide that you only want to see what you want to see.
[42:12]I think it's a decision that you make.
[42:15]But the idea that a person would go to that island and not see something weird is impossible to me.
[42:21]For me to have seen it, everybody else had to see it.
[42:25]When you think back to how obvious it was to you, do you wonder about, you know, no one saying anything back then?
[42:36]I've been wondering for the last 15 years if in 2010 I knew it and we all knew it and I was interrogated and nothing happened.
[42:45]And that he died in 2019, having perpetrated more crimes from 2010 to 2019.
[42:51]And that we could have saved so many young women that wouldn't have had to go through what they went through.