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[0:01]It was the moment that caught the world by surprise. >> Bombshell arrest of the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. Former Prince Andrew under arrest. The shock etched on his face.
[0:12]>> Everybody is equal and nobody is above the law. >> Questioned under caution like a common criminal. >> Your Majesty, how are you feeling after your brother's arrest? >> The ex-royal is the biggest casualty so
[0:22]far in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. >> It's an unprecedented moment. A scandal that reaches from beyond the grave. >> This is where the house of cards starts falling
[0:33]>> as the disgraced financia's dirty secrets threatened to tear down society's most powerful. >> Do you think you're the devil himself?
[0:43]>> No, but I I do have a good mirror. >> It's a serious question. Do you think you're the devil himself? >> I don't know. Why would you say that?
[0:54]Tonight, the unraveling of Jeffrey Epstein. How he conneded the world. >> This is not just a story about a super villain. >> How he became a billionaire and one of
[1:04]the worst sex traffickers in history. >> You need to know the deep and dark secrets of everything else. It's just sickening. >> And how the morally corrupt were happy
[1:16]to play and do business with a pedophile. >> Breaking news out of Washington. The Justice Department just dropped a trove of new documents. The latest release of files is shocking in its size and its
[1:28]content. >> Breaking news. Peter Manslson has been led from home by police. >> From Britain, Norway and India to Wall Street. >> Is this insider dealing? Is there stuff
[1:38]that he said that people could trade on? >> From royalty to tech giants, business titans, and politicians. >> Epstein is a Democrat hoax. The fallout is global as the world's elite takes
[1:50]cover. >> My wife and I decide that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. I did have lunch with him. >> You misled the country and the congressman.
[2:01]>> They knew this all along. We tracked down the people who knew him from the beginning. >> It's here the saga of Jeffrey Epstein really began. >> His brother. Joking about pedophilia. It's a bit close to the bone, isn't it? When your brother is a pedophile.
[2:13]>> I'm going to hang up on you. >> His former lover. I liked him because he seemed to be the center of the universe >> and those who now wish they never knew him. >> Are you still talking about Jeffrey
[2:24]Epstein? >> And I'm not going to move on until we see some men perwalked to prison. >> I think we're having a reckoning. >> Is there actually criminal stuff in this
[2:36]file? >> Oh, absolutely. >> It makes you mad. It's It's like, why did it take this long for someone to listen? >> Who was Jeffrey? Who covered for him? What financial
[2:58]institutions allowed his trafficking to continue? Who knew what he was doing but was too much of a coward to do anything
[3:08]about it? As an adult, Jenna Lisa Jones wants answers to what happened to her as a child. She was only 14 years old when
[3:19]she was led into a bedroom in a Palm Beach mansion. >> This was me at 14 years old. I was a
[3:28]child. I was in 9th grade. >> As a teenager, she knew what the world is learning now through the Epstein Files. The man she met that day, Jeffrey
[3:40]Epstein, was a serial sex abuser of young girls. No one was coming to help her, and no one was going to stop him. Are you completely behind the release of
[3:51]these files? >> I am behind the complete release of these files. This is disgusting stuff we're talking about. We're talking about children's lives, young women's lives.
[4:02]This is sickening. More than a thousand women say they were abused as part of Epstein's sex trafficking ring. Many of the victims
[4:12]revealed in the files. It seems to expose a very dark world, doesn't it? >> Yeah, it's it's everything that you
[4:23]thought that could possibly, you know, those conspiracy theories. This is just going to show you this is exactly what happens behind the closed doors.
[4:32]The Epstein files are over 3 million documents, videos, and photographs detailing over two decades of crimes. There are incriminating emails between
[4:43]the sex offender and the world's elite. Interviews with the predator himself. >> And what were those felonies that you plead
[4:54]guilty to? >> Solicitation of prostitutes. Not underage prostitutes, but simply prostitutes, solicitation of
[5:04]prostitutes, and one count of procuring a minor for underage sex. There's evidence of the deborttery as well as just how prized Epstein was
[5:23]as a key member of the billionaire club. cozy with politicians, royals, the world famous and the mega rich.
[5:33]Death cannot protect Epstein or his mates with his files, the most scrutinized instrument of accountability in the world. >> And the perpetrators are being protected
[5:44]because they're rich and powerful and political donors to the establishment here in Washington DC. Pulling back the curtain on the evil
[5:54]Epstein Empire is Thomas Massie, a Republican congressman from Kentucky, who co-wrote the Epstein Files Transparency Act, compelling the US
[6:04]Department of Justice to produce the files. >> This might not be the biggest issue in America right now, but it is the issue everybody can agree on. When I heard the
[6:15]victims talk, I realized what they had been living with, the shame that they had been living with for so many years,
[6:26]and why this was another level of evil. >> How big a scandal do you believe this is? >> This spans four presidents, part of a
[6:36]two decadel long coverup. You know, we've seen that some of the richest people on the planet
[6:45]have the lowest moral standards on the planet. >> So far, there's been an avalanche of scandalous revelations. >> It is extraordinary. After millions of
[6:57]documents were released in the Epstein investigation, it has triggered international and political fallout. But by far the most consequential is this
[7:07]royal reckoning decades in the making. >> Fox News alert. We begin this hour with a breaking news story out of the UK. >> BBC understands that he has been arrested. >> It's believed the first British royal
[7:19]arrested in nearly 400 years. >> An arrest of this magnitude has no precedent in modern British history. As the world watched, Andrew Mountbatton Windsor was hauled in by police for 11
[7:31]hours of questioning on suspicion of misconduct in public office. >> This is not, at least not yet, about sex trafficking. >> Police are investigating a handful of
[7:42]emails uncovered in the Epstein files. They appear to show Andrew, once an official trade envoy, sharing government secrets directly with his sex offender
[7:53]friend. But there's more. From trading secrets to trading young women. >> Apparently, Epstein had offered to arrange for Andrew to have dinner with a 26-year-old clever, beautiful,
[8:03]trustworthy Russian woman. And Andrew apparently responded that he would be delighted. >> The creepy exjuke was also caught out unceremoniously on all fours in
[8:14]Epstein's home. >> These are the latest pictures of the man formerly known as Prince Andrew. For his sins, the king's brother has already been kicked out of his royal lodgings,
[8:25]stripped of his titles, and now at least nine police departments are probing his true ties to Epstein. >> I I but I don't I have simply no
[8:37]recollection. From former prince to president, Donald Trump's name appears thousands of times in the Epstein Files in uncorroborated and often bizarre tip
[8:48]offs providing endless foder for laughs. >> Wouldn't it just be easier to call this the Trump files featuring Jeffrey Epstein? >> Easier.
[9:00]>> Roll the tongue. The pedophile and president were certainly friends before a falling out in 2004. Though Trump has long
[9:10]maintained he knew nothing of Epstein's crimes. >> No, I had no idea. I had no idea. I haven't spoken to him in many, many years, but I I didn't have no idea.
[9:20]>> But a claim made in the files contradicts that. In an unexpected twist, Trump has been credited with contacting police when Epstein was first
[9:30]arrested on sex charges in 2006. Trump reportedly said, "Thank goodness you're stopping him. Everyone has known he's been doing this."
[9:41]He described Epstein as disgusting and the financia's girlfriend and co-conspirator, Galen Maxwell, as evil, clearly indicating he was aware of their
[9:52]crimes years ago, despite saying otherwise. >> I think one of the dangers here is that this entire process gets so politicized
[10:04]that it loses any semblance of credibility. But I I really think that most people here their interest in this is not about scoring political points. It's about understanding the truth.
[10:15]>> To find that truth, there are calls for the Department of Justice to do more to thoroughly investigate the connections and allegations made in the files.
[10:25]>> Are you able to track who in your organization made this massive failure? >> It's a high-stake search for clues to the real mystery. who this man actually
[10:36]was, what he was doing, and with whom, exactly why the world's most powerful people were drawn into his orbit.
[10:48]Is there any sense of we told you so? We we told you that this badness was happening. >> I think there's a lot of anger there. We've been telling you all along how bad
[10:59]this man was and what was going on and it has taken this long. It's it's like why did it take this long for someone to listen?
[11:09]>> To understand the monster that Jeffrey Epson became, you really need to go back to the beginning and understand where he came from and how he got there. Snowy Seagate in Brooklyn, New York,
[11:30]feels a million miles away from the fallout of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal gripping the world. This is the house up here where Jeffrey
[11:39]Epstein was uh raised. >> But this humble home in this workingclass enclave is where the disgraced financia lived for two
[11:49]decades. And to understand how he clawed his way to the top, you need to hear from the people who knew him first, like his old classmate, Philip Messing.
[11:59]>> When I knew Jeffrey Epstein, you know, he was just another kid that was trying to get through puberty and like hoping that he wasn't victimized by acne, you know, I mean, he was really, you know, nobody. And Jeffrey was a very, very
[12:11]good math student. But everything about him like had a certain, it may have been shyness, but it was almost a super sillious air about him. As a kid, Epstein, known as Bear, was
[12:23]also a gifted musician, but his mates knew money was what drove him most and a deep desire to escape the neighborhood.
[12:32]Jeffrey Epstein, back at the time I went to school with him, told a classmate of ours that he would definitely be rich someday. But uh nobody could have ever envisioned that Jeffrey Epstein would
[12:44]turn into the villain that we now know of victimizing hordes and hordes of women, young women. Epstein's rise to the top was
[12:55]fasttracked by his drive and his ability to lie. By 21, he might have been a college dropout with no degree and zero
[13:04]credentials, but he somehow secured a prize teaching job at Dalton, one of New York's most prestigious high schools. It took a level of hutzbah that David
[13:15]Enrich, deputy investigations editor of the New York Times, can only admire. It's easy for me to imagine that he marched himself into the headmaster's
[13:25]office at Dalton and just started talking as if he belonged there and the headmaster clearly bought it. And that is one of the constant lessons of the
[13:34]Epstein saga over the years is that the more information you get, the more questions it tends to raise. The audacious ascent of the kid from
[13:44]Brooklyn had begun. At the time, Scott Spiser was a student and like Epstein, an outsider in this privileged place. But even he felt there
[13:55]was something off with the maths and physics teacher. >> What I remember is seeing him in a circle of female students and always kind of being taken aback by that. But
[14:06]at that time, it was just very distinct that hm okay well that's different. That's not what I'm used to. That seems not entirely okay.
[14:17]But what do I know? I'm I'm a 16, 17-year-old knucklehead. >> Knucklehead or not, Scott witnessed Epstein get unusually close to the sons,
[14:27]but mainly the daughters of the global establishment. >> He was the teacher who seemed to show up at social events, parties, gatherings. Everything seemed very blurred in terms
[14:38]of the boundaries between students and him. By the time that he left there two years later in 1976, the school was basically
[14:49]chasing him out. They felt that his performance as a teacher was not strong enough to merit his continued employment. And luckily for Jeffrey Epstein, and unluckily enough for the
[15:00]rest of us, Epstein found another place to work very soon after that. >> That place was Bear Sterns, Wall Street's infamous cowboy investment bank.
[15:10]>> When you make money, we make money. a powerhouse that didn't care for credentials, which was lucky given Epstein didn't have any, though he claimed he did. When his lies were
[15:22]exposed, instead of being shown the door, he was given a second chance. This would be the first episode in a whole series of them over the ensuing decades
[15:32]in which Epstein was caught red-handed, and instead of being punished in a serious way, people opted to look the other way. And so he was able to keep
[15:43]rolling forward with impunity. >> But even Bear Sterns grew tired of Epstein's shady deals and abusive expenses, poised to punish him with a
[15:54]fine and a two-month suspension. Instead, Epstein quit and set up on his own. But it didn't matter. His old company was more than happy to continue
[16:04]doing business with him. >> He left and started tapping right back into that network. And it led him to be introduced to some very powerful businessmen in various parts of the
[16:14]world. It allowed him to partner up with some Beer Stern's clients whose money he ended up stealing. >> His connections also saw him partner up
[16:24]with young women delivered directly to his apartment by his old bosses at Bear Sterns, including office assistant,
[16:33]23-year-old Patricia Schmidt. I was sent over there because my boss had asked me to deliver some papers to
[16:42]him and I went after work and I did exactly that. I think it was
[16:52]clearly my boss doing him a favor. >> But Patricia was immediately hooked and she and Epstein started a year-long
[17:02]consensual relationship. He seemed to be kind of the center of the universe. He was so confident
[17:11]and he was so attractive and he was so incredibly smart. >> So what you're saying is it wasn't transactional? >> No. No. Nothing nothing about it was transactional.
[17:22]>> Did you fall in love with him? >> Um I definitely I think so. Yes. And I remember thinking,
[17:32]gosh, when is he going to call again? >> Patricia kept a diary of her time with Epstein. >> Who knows what he really thinks of me? >> It's a glimpse into their romance, but
[17:44]40 years on, Patricia recognizes Epstein also treated her as currency, and she would prove to be the blueprint he'd use against so many other women. Jeffrey
[17:55]phoned me yesterday and asked if I'd show a friend of his around Bear Sterns. His friend arrived with his father, both from Switzerland.
[18:06]>> Did you ever feel exploited by him or used by him? >> He would ask me to meet clients, friends of his, go to lunch or go to dinner. >> Do you think he was supplying you to
[18:18]these men to have sex with them? I have to think absolutely yes. Um I never did. I wasn't interested in in any
[18:29]of these men, but oh yes, I think it was very much his intent to
[18:39]um make that trade. But it's how Epstein turned his financial trades into mega millions that
[18:49]has long fascinated investigative journalist David Enrich. He's been digging into how the workingclass kid accumulated so much wealth so quickly.
[19:00]Epstein fashioned himself as this financial whiz that basically was unparalleled. One of the things we saw though the deeper we dug was that the real way that Epstein was making money
[19:11]over and over again for year after year after year was lying and cheating and conning people. It seems the financial whiz kid act worked on someone who
[19:22]should have known better. A whale of the business world, Leslie Wexner is the billionaire behind Victoria's Secret. But in the late 80s, he met Epstein. And
[19:34]as this document shows, in 1991, Wexner gave him power of attorney, putting him in charge of billions of dollars and launching Epstein into the stratosphere
[19:44]of the global elite. Wexner was the money behind the monster. Wexner had granted Epstein virtually
[19:53]unfettered control over his entire multi-billion dollar fortune. And this vaulted Epstein from being kind of a a single-digit millionaire perhaps into
[20:05]someone who would in short order become one of the richest people in the United States. >> He will not be on the video, but we do have him recorded. >> The latest trove of Epstein files threw
[20:15]up this gem when in 2019, Epstein seemed assured he was the financial genius he sold himself as. Do you think that
[20:25]there's anybody that understands money or understands the world's financial system as good as you? >> There must be. >> But it doesn't come to the top of the head. >> No.
[20:36]>> Okay, fine. >> This pseudo interview in 2019 with fire brand Trump adviser Steve Bannon was meant to be a training session to help
[20:46]Epstein rehabilitate his reputation. Its recent release in the files is an intriguing insight into a man just months away from having his privileged
[20:57]world ripped away. >> I just asked a question. Is your money dirty money? >> No, it's not. So, in fact, >> why is it not dirty money? >> Because I I earned it my heart.
[21:08]>> But you you earned it. >> We went back to this before. You earned it. You earned it advising the worst people in the world,
[21:18]right? that do enormous bad things. Uh, and just to make more money. What are you? Class three sexual predator. >> Tier one. >> You're what was tier? Tier one's the highest and worst.
[21:29]>> No, I'm the lowest. I'm the lowest. >> You're the lowest. Okay. Tier one, you're the lowest. >> Um, but a criminal. >> Yes. >> This is my swimming pool. No one's
[21:46]allowed to dock here. my beach. >> The Epstein files are an X-ray of the extraordinary life Jeffrey Epstein was
[21:57]enjoying at the peak of his power. Long gone was the workingclass boy from
[22:19]Brooklyn. This was a man with billions to spend and no shortage of things to buy. >> The photos that we've seen are revealing
[22:31]in a number of ways. First and foremost, it shows the just enormous amount of stuff that hundreds of millions of dollars can buy, whether it is mansions,
[22:42]private planes, private islands. >> He might have had plenty of money, but Epstein needed something more. And he found it in Ghislaine Maxwell. The British
[22:53]socialite gave him entree to the upper class world of prestige, glamour, and on the surface at least, respectability. She was someone who was basically an
[23:04]aristocrat. She rolled in aristocratic circles and she brought Epstein along for that ride. And it was around this time that Epstein starts showing up at
[23:14]the White House for example and and starts interacting with people like Prince Andrew. It creates this aura around him that he is one of the best connected and most powerful people in
[23:25]the world. That helps him attract new people who will help him make more money. It helps him lure more young women and girls into his web and it allows Epstein to become who he became
[23:37]and Maxwell played an instrumental role in that. But as we're reminded in this release of the files behind the opulence, this
[23:47]depraved couple was running an international sex trafficking ring and systematically raping girls as young as 14.
[23:57]So this is Okihilly Middle School. I uh went to school here on and off from sixth grade to 8th grade. Feels weird.
[24:06]It feels ghostly. This is the start of where my whole world changed. So it's uh
[24:14]it's emotional and and makes me angry. A broken kid from a broken home, Jenna Lisa Jones was just 14 when she was
[24:25]lured into Epstein's vile world in 2004 by his network of young recruiters. How did your world collide with his? We were all hanging out and listening to
[24:37]music and then they were making jokes and they started making jokes about a guy named Jeff and he was like a weird old guy that liked to get massages and
[24:45]he'd pay $200 and $200 sounded great. I mean my mom was addicted to drugs. There was times I didn't have food. um I had
[24:55]nowhere, you know, so it seemed
[25:09]why not? >> It seemed like the only decision you could make in that moment as a 14year-old girl. >> Yeah.
[25:20]A decision forced by circumstances that completely altered Jenna Lisa's life. She'd been delivered into a rock spider's web at the pedophiles mansion
[25:31]in Palm Beach, Florida. It was just 10 kilometers from her trailer park neighborhood, but in every other sense, a world away.
[25:41]He walked in pretty quickly and he uh laid down on the massage table like he was a regular massage and after a couple minutes he just flips over and it was
[25:53]see how far you know um he could push it. >> What was he telling you to do? >> Think about the worst thing that you would want to happen wouldn't want to
[26:03]happen to your child and it was happening. I that's what was happening in those rooms with a these victims and and with myself. It was it was
[26:14]traumatizing. It it set the tone for the rest of my life. >> Jenna Lisa was not alone in her suffering, but she wasn't aware police
[26:24]were finally closing in on the predator. >> I've talked to a lot of girls,
[26:31]>> almost 40 girls so far. And um so I I know pretty much what transpires. Okay.
[26:41]For the first time, the pedophile's 2007 draft indictment is on the public record. It's shocking reading. 32 counts
[26:50]of sex crimes against minors. Their sorted stories captured in these police interviews. >> She told me that all I had to do was give him a massage and he would give me
[27:00]$200. It was It was a weird situation. >> Did you ever take your panties off and be completely no? >> Every now and then, yeah. I was unaware that I was going to be alone with him for that 10 minutes and I thought I was
[27:11]going to die. >> Police thought they had a watertight case and if convicted, Epstein faced going to jail for the rest of his life.
[27:23]Instead, in a shocking secret sweetheart deal with prosecutors, he pleaded guilty to two minor charges only, procuring a child for prostitution and soliciting a
[27:34]prostitute. He served a mere 13 months in jail, but was barely ever in his cell. >> How many days a week are you out on work release? >> Six.
[27:45]>> And of those six days, how many hours per day are you out on work release? >> 12. >> They did this whole investigation on him and he didn't even get trouble. He
[27:55]didn't get in trouble. It enraged me. And I have two children of my own, two daughters that are going to school on Palm Beach Island who go to school a
[28:06]mile away from his house. That really set in me realize he was still out there doing that
[28:16]and it could have been my kids next. But in this interview released in the recent file dump, Epstein is begrudging
[28:27]his short stint in jail. >> I'd been there since June in an 8x10 cell with a bed in the back, a 6ft bed in the back, a
[28:38]uh chrome sink with toilet attached to it and a little piece of metal sticking out that was supposed to act as a table. Even though Jeffrey Epstein was shocked
[28:49]to be behind bars, it's hard to imagine that those who knew him would have been, nothing speaks to his perversions more than his 50th birthday book compiled in
[29:00]2003. It's a 238page album littered with innuendo and sexual references purportedly from Jeffrey's high-flying
[29:11]friends. To me, the most gling and shocking thing was that it was really clear that it was an open secret among these dozens of
[29:22]people who contributed to the birthday book that Epstein had an unhealthy predelection for young women and sometimes girls. It was a big inside joke and everyone was in on it other
[29:32]than the victims. Many were happy to continue with the joke even when in 2008 Jeffrey Epstein
[29:41]became a registered sex offender. Nor did his shameful classification stop his trafficking,
[29:51]but the files show he may have got more careful recruiting young women instead of minors. This was something that he was operating
[30:02]on an international scale. He was bringing in women from all over Eastern Europe and getting them into the United States, offering to pay their tuition,
[30:12]put them up in housing, set them up with bank accounts, and they were then beholdened to him. And that's exactly what Epstein wanted. For the next 10
[30:22]years, Epstein operated with near impunity until intense media scrutiny and fresh allegations of abuse forced
[30:30]authorities in New York to act. On the 6th of July 2019, Epstein flew into New Jersey aboard his private
[30:41]plane. Unaware, police were waiting. >> Breaking news. Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein arrested on new sex trafficking charges. >> The 66-year-old is being held in New
[30:53]York where he's expected to be arraigned tomorrow. >> A month later, the Brooklyn Grifter turned global predator was found dead in his jail cell.
[31:03]>> When Epstein died in 2019, we were just starting to kind of scratch the surface of understanding what made him tick, who had enabled him, how he had gotten so much money, and whose secrets he was
[31:14]hiding. Accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein is dead,
[31:30]taking his own life in a New York City jail cell. >> A long way from the prestigious world Jeffrey Epstein was used to, he spent his last month alive in this Manhattan prison.
[31:41]>> Epstein cell. Amongst the millions of photographs, videos, and records released in the Epstein files are these sobering images taken on August the
[31:51]10th, 2019, documenting the demise of the disgraced predator. >> The 66-year-old multi-millionaire had been awaiting trial at New York City's
[32:03]Metropolitan Correctional Center. The news was devastating for Epstein's survivors, including Jenna Lisa Jones,
[32:12]who was just 14 when she was abused by him. What was it like for you to learn that Jeffrey Epstein was dead? >> I remember
[32:22]being so mad and saying, "So, I'm never going to get my day for him to hear me."
[32:33]I even texted the FBI agent and I told her, I said, "So he wins again." And he did.
[32:50]The official ruling was suicide. >> Do not let the normalize pedophilia. But almost immediately came the unsubstantiated and seemingly wild
[32:59]speculation about who Epstein was in life. >> Have you paid attention to this Jeffrey Epstein stuff? >> Yeah, a little bit. What do you think's going on? >> That the financia was really a spy.
[33:10]>> He represents no government. He clearly works for MSAD. He clearly works for CIA. >> That he dabbled in the occult and carried out satanic rituals. >> We're about to expose you. You're going
[33:22]to prove you're loyal. YOU'RE GOING TO KILL THAT LITTLE GIRL. >> And that he was a keeper of dark secrets of the most powerful people in the world who in turn had him killed.
[33:33]>> Spoiler alert. Um, season 2 is on the way. So, in the end, he obviously didn't kill himself just like Jeffrey Epstein. >> Shut up. I know he's your friend, but I
[33:44]don't care. We don't know why there was not more
[33:53]CCTV footage available. We don't know why the prison guards all fell asleep. There are a lot of unanswered questions
[34:03]here. And it is enough to leave a reasonable person wondering if we know the full story about this. That full story, according to Mark
[34:14]Epstein, is that his brother was murdered. He's more than willing to talk about why he rules out suicide, just not face to face. >> Mark, now I've got to ask, why are we
[34:25]doing this over the phone? Why won't you talk to me on camera? >> Well, because this is not about me. I I don't I'm not looking for fame or fortune on my 15 minutes. I don't need that. I want people to focus on the fact
[34:36]that Jeffrey is murdered. Mark has spent years challenging the official account of his older brother's death. >> It was not suicide. That
[34:48]>> It doesn't say that on your on your show. >> That's all right. He changed his will in the days leading up to his death. Does that not point to suicide? >> No, because I heard that. I looked into
[35:00]that. It's a legitimate court. But I checked with his attorney and it turns out he has changed his will a number of times. So then that raises the question that if
[35:10]it's murder, who, why, and how? >> Yes, that's exactly what we're trying to find out. >> The siblings led separate lives, but were close even after Mark was made
[35:22]aware of his brother's sex crimes against children. >> In your opinion, was your brother a good man? >> My brother was was wrong for what he did. You know, he was with girls that
[35:31]were too young. Other than that, you know, people might want to hear it. He was a pretty interesting guy. He was a pretty good guy. >> But this disturbing email interchange
[35:42]between the brothers emerged from the trove of files released in January. In 2012, Mark joked that a trip between his brother and Woody Allen to Paris was
[35:53]for a pedophile convention. >> Jeff and I used to joke about a lot of things. So you can't take the things that say Jeff and put more weight to it than other than that it was. You take
[36:05]them to funny. We make each other laugh. >> But joking about pedophilia, it's a bit close to the bone, isn't it? When your brother is a pedophile. >> I'm going to hang up on you if you continue to talk about things other than his death. You keep going off topic.
[36:17]>> You have spoken at length about your suspicions of him being murdered. >> I'm going to hang up on you. So, have a great day. Of
[36:28]course, as we've seen from the ongoing fallout and furore, Mark Epstein's name is not the only one to appear in the mountain of files. >> Elon Musk asking Jeffrey Epste like,
[36:39]"When is the wildest party on Epstein Island going to be >> each day, it seems, there's another name and another headline." >> An international domino effect as millions of documents reveal Epstein was
[36:50]connected to the global elite. The most high-profile fall from Grace came with the shock arrest of the former prince Andrew Mountbatton Windsor under
[37:01]suspicion of sharing trade secrets with Epstein. But there have been others with mass resignations and reckonings across business, academia, and foreign
[37:13]politics. >> The Met said Lorden Anderson was being investigated on suspicion of misconduct in public office. Former prime minister of Norway has been charged with gross corruption.
[37:24]>> Sarah Ferguson also now facing new questions. She's now shutting down six of her companies. >> Media mogul and chairman of the 2028 LA Olympics organizing committee, Casey
[37:34]Wasserman, now selling his talent agency amid major fallout over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein and Galain Maxwell. The shocking revelations just keep
[37:44]coming. One of the wealthiest people in the world, Bill Gates, allegedly leaned on Epstein for pharmaceuticals and Russian girls. >> In the documents, Epstein wrote that
[37:55]Gates begged him to please delete their emails regarding a sexually transmitted disease and antibiotics. >> The email is uh you know, false. Uh so I
[38:05]don't know what his thinking was there. >> A wellness guru prescribing health advice between vulgar emails. Peter Aia was mentioned almost 2,000 times in the
[38:16]Epstein files. Tia wrote one email to Epstein in February of 2016 that a uh woman's private parts were low carb. You have an email from June 24th, 2015 where
[38:26]Tia seemingly writes, "The biggest problem with becoming friends with you, the life you lead is so outrageous and yet I can't tell a soul." >> Also buried in the files are many more
[38:37]deeply disturbing emails. As you know, it is not a crime to party
[38:58]with Mr. Epstein. And and so as horrible as it, it's not a crime to email with Mr. Epstein. But Republican Congressman Thomas Massie, who has been instrumental in the
[39:08]release of the files, has no regrets about the worldwide exposure of those who appear in them. There's some collateral damage to people's
[39:17]reputations. And frankly, I'm not sorry about it. If you went to the island where women were raped to have a vacation with a known sex offender and
[39:28]now you're embarrassed, I'm sorry. There's lots of embarrassing stuff, but is there actually criminal stuff in these files in your opinion? >> Oh, absolutely. The question is, are the
[39:40]allegations true or not? And the way you determine that is you have an investigation and you have a trial and that's how you get to the truth in this
[39:50]country. And all of those steps have been truncated because these are rich and powerful men. What's glawing for so many is that no
[40:01]one other than Epstein's former girlfriend, Galen Maxwell, has been convicted for their role in the sex trafficking ring.
[40:10]But as the Epstein files show, the FBI has known for years who the alleged co-conspirators are. Confoundingly, they're protected, their names and faces
[40:21]redacted. >> We're doing everything we can. Attorney General Pam Bondi is under intense pressure to explain why there have been
[40:30]no investigations to prosecute or clear those who appear in the files. >> The title of this one is child sex trafficking. Co-conspirators
[40:41]fully redacted. >> Who are the co-conspirators on your hit list? Who should the authorities be going after? From what I can see right
[40:50]now, it looks like Leslie Waxner, the FBI, owes us an explanation for how they decided to no longer pursue him.
[41:01]>> Billionaire Les Wexner was the mogul behind Victoria's Secret and Epstein's cash cow until the 88-year-old had a falling out with the financial adviser,
[41:12]accusing him of embezzlement. Well, I didn't know he was stealing till after we discovered that he was a crook. >> At a recent congressional hearing,
[41:22]Wexner denied any knowledge of Epstein's crimes, but he stands accused of being his greatest enabler. >> Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein
[41:31]sexually abuse young women or girls? >> Absolutely not. The role that Wexner played in Epstein's development into someone who could construct a huge
[41:42]international sex trafficking operation. It's really hard to overstate. >> The billionaire gave Epstein a big financial leg up. But draft letters
[41:51]Epstein wrote to himself uncovered in the files have raised new questions about what else, if anything, Wexner
[42:00]knew. One thing that makes no sense is that Wexner would have willingly paid Epstein simply for the services he was providing and that the payments would
[42:10]total hundreds of millions of dollars. That is preposterous. It makes no sense. Either Epstein was doing something aside from just providing kind of run-of-the-mill financial services
[42:22]or he was stealing from Wexner or perhaps both. For Jeffrey Epste's victims, so much hope is riding on the files. Not just delivering accusations, but also
[42:33]justice. >> The fear is their hope is doomed. >> There was nothing in there that allowed us to prosecute anybody.
[42:42]>> The stance has been that it is unlikely that there will be further prosecutions leading from the Epstein file dump.
[42:50]What's your reaction to that? It could make me cry um that we're going to just let these people get away with it because of who
[43:02]they are and uh the power that they have. It took one woman's voice to trigger the
[43:19]global earthquake that is the Epstein Files. It takes trust. It takes a lot of trust with horses.
[43:30]And if you're kind to them, they're kind to you back. When I first met Virginia Du Fray 7 years ago, she shared a story so sprawling and so dark that it was near
[43:41]impossible to fathom. She had the courage to speak out against power and privilege when it was just her
[43:50]word against theirs. What sort of men were you being trafficked to? >> I was trafficked to other billionaires.
[44:01]I was trafficked to politicians, uh, professors, even royalty. It was the most powerful people in the world. And those are our leaders. Those are the people that we
[44:12]are supposed to look up to. It's corrupt. It's corrupt to the core. And it was this photo that changed
[44:23]everything. The 17-year-old Virginia captured in 2001 uncomfortably close to former Prince Andrew.
[44:34]It was taken, she said, just before she learned she was to have sex with him. Traffic to the then royal by Epstein and his girlfriend, Gillen Maxwell.
[44:45]>> He took a photo and your arm is around her waist. They are allegations the disgraced Andrew has long denied. >> You've seen the photo. >> I've seen the photograph.
[44:55]>> How do you explain that with your >> That's me. But but whether that's my hand or whether that's um the position I I but I don't I have simply no
[45:05]recollection of a photograph ever being taken. >> He needs to stop with all these lame excuses. We're sick of hearing it. >> This is a real photo. >> I don't believe that. I don't believe
[45:17]it's real for a second. In fact, I'm sure it's not. >> But now, all these years later, Virginia has been vindicated.
[45:28]Buried in the Epstein files was this email from the now convicted Maxwell referring to the disputed photo, >> which appears to contradict Andrew
[45:38]Malbatton Windsor's long-held suggestion that the now infamous photo was not real. >> It's the proof if anyone needed it. Virginia was telling the truth all
[45:48]along. Proof, too, that in their denials about this photo, Maxwell and Andrew were lying. The bittersweet revelation comes too
[46:00]late for Virginia, who last year took her life on her property an hour north of Perth. Fellow survivor Jenna Lisa Jones is
[46:11]devastated her friend is not here to witness the global reckoning Virginia was long fighting for. How do you feel about that? Virginia's
[46:22]truth being exposed in that way. >> I wish she was here to see that. I know that would mean so much to her. Uh, she
[46:33]fought so hard and if they would have just believed her from the beginning, she's been saying it. For many survivors, these files
[46:44]represent the only public accountability left. But they're also deeply flawed, failing to identify Epstein's co-conspirators
[46:55]while inexplicably naming many of the victims. Do you feel honored or let down by the release of the Epstein files?
[47:06]>> Let down. Completely honored. Honored. Honored for them to have run us through the mud again. There's been over 40 miners unredacted
[47:16]with their names, addresses, identifying information, some as far as social security numbers. That was a straight slap in the face to the survivors.
[47:28]It was a list of names not to release. What did the DOJ do with this email? They released this email in the document production. Literally the worst thing
[47:38]you could do to the survivors, you did. These failings of the Epstein files amplified the tragedy that for two
[47:48]decades, the institutions tasked with oversight, from law enforcement to both sides of politics, has spent more energy managing the fallout than delivering
[47:58]justice. And I'm sure many of you when you read that that alleged FBI report probably thought to yourself, "Wow, this really cracks our narrative that we've been trying to push about this president
[48:09]for many years." So, uh, we're moving on from that. >> But the American public is not ready to move on. The survivors are not going to move on. And I'm not going to move on
[48:19]until we see some men per walked to prison. This is a criminal operation that went on for years. And it could not have
[48:29]happened if Epstein was just on his own. >> The Jeffrey Epstein saga is not about one man. It is about a society that let him get away with treating young women
[48:41]as disposable people. From workingclass Brooklyn to the upper reaches of global power, Jeffrey Epstein's trajectory exposed a world
[48:52]that doesn't just tolerate predators, it protects them. What do you think the Epstein files show
[49:02]about us? about humanity or lack of it. >> I think the Epstein Files are a mirror. If
[49:11]you've learned all of this about what we know now from the Epstein Files and you're still dispassionate or want to move on or don't care,
[49:21]it means you're not willing to take up for the weakest people in our society. If you won't take up for a 14-year-old girl who's being sexually abused, if you
[49:31]won't take up for that person when we're showing you this happened, what what are you made of? I worry that they're not even going to
[49:42]have to answer for any of this. And and that's just heartbreaking. It never goes away. It haunts you and it sneaks up on you in
[49:53]the worst ways. There shouldn't be this so much of the shame that we carry. This shame is not for us to carry. It's for them to carry.