[0:01]Can the Prime Minister deny that Downing Street considered appointing Matthew Doyle to a diplomatic position? >> Prime Minister. >> Mr. Speaker, Matthew Doyle worked for
[0:11]many years in public service for me as Prime Minister and other ministers. When people leave roles in any organization, there often conversations about other
[0:21]roles they might want to apply for, but nothing came of this. >> Today marks Today marks
[0:32]the murder, the racist murder of my friend's brother, Stephen Lawrence. Tomorrow is St. George's Day. Does my right honorable friend agree
[0:44]with me that now, more than ever, we need to tell the story, the positive story, of Englishness founded in who we
[0:53]are and not of the who the far right would like us to be? >> Can I thank him for raising this? Of course, it was 33 years ago today that
[1:04]that awful murder took place. Mr. Speaker, I'm proud to have worked alongside Baroness Lawrence for many years now. She is incredibly courageous and
[1:15]inspiring campaigner, notwithstanding all of the injustices that have been thrown to her in the last 33 years. We do celebrate St. George's Day. We fly our flag. We
[1:26]celebrate this country's values of service, generosity, and respect. They, Mr. Speaker, are English values, which is why I love this country so much.
[1:35]There are those that seek to divide us, who tell us people are not welcome and try to rip our communities apart. We will never let them, Mr. Speaker.
[1:45]We stand together, united, and against any challenges that we may face. >> I beg your pardon, the leader OF THE OPPOSITION. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
[1:57]DOES THE Prime Minister stand by his statement at the dispatch box on the 10th of September last year that full due process was followed in
[2:08]the appointment of Peter Mandelson as our ambassador to Washington? >> Yes, I do. Mr. Speaker, let me make clear at the
[2:18]outset that the appointment itself was a mistake. It was my mistake. I've apologized to the victims for it, and I do so again. What I said out to the
[2:28]house on Monday is that Foreign Office officials granted security clearance to Mandelson against the recommendation of UK security vetting. Yesterday, Sir Ollie Robbins was asked if he shared
[2:40]that decision with me, number 10, or any other ministers. He gave a clear answer. No. Mr. Speaker, that puts to bed all the
[2:50]allegations leveled at me by those opposite in relation to the service. I believe I believe Last week, they were all saying that it
[3:00]must have been shared with me. Sir Ollie was very clear yesterday it was not. I believe not sharing it was a serious error of judgment. That information should have been shared with me and
[3:10]other ministers. And if it had have been, Mandelson would not have been committed to post. >> Mr. Speaker, it does not put to bed
[3:21]anything. On the 11th of November, 2024, long before any uh vetting had happened, the Prime Minister received advice from
[3:30]Simon Case, the then Cabinet Secretary. The advice said the appointment would require, and I quote, "the necessary
[3:39]security clearances before confirming the Prime Minister's choice." This advice was ignored. So, how can the Prime Minister still
[3:49]believe that confirming Mandelson before the security clearances was following full due process. >> Mr. Speaker, this was looked into by Sir
[4:01]Chris Wormald. I asked him to review the appointment process including the vetting. He confirmed, Mr. Speaker, his words appropriate processes were followed.
[4:12]She's put great weight on the order of events. I remember what I remind her what Sir Chris said last November in evidence to the house. He said this and I quote, "When we are making appointments from outside the civil
[4:24]service, the normal thing is for security clearance to happen after appointment but before the person signs a contract and takes up post. That is
[4:34]what happened in this case." Sir Olly Robbins himself, Mr. Speaker, also gave gave evidence and he said my quote, "As is normally the case with external
[4:44]appointments to in his department, the appointment was made subject to obtaining security clearance." Mr. Speaker, on top of that, Sir Olly Robbins has made clear that the fact
[4:55]that develop vetting was after announcement made, in his words, no material difference to the conclusion that was reached. And Mr. Speaker, I add this,
[5:05]that what Sir Olly Robbins wrote to the committee yesterday was this and I quote, "When the Prime Minister informed the house that the proper process had been followed in respect of national
[5:16]security vetting, he was correct." >> It's very interesting that he mentions
[5:25]Chris Wormald. He is relying on advice given to him after Mandelson was sacked by a cabinet secretary the Prime Minister then sacked. That is not
[5:37]relevant. I'm talking about the advice he was given before the appointment. He keeps mentioning Sir Olly Robbins. Sir Olly Robbins told us that the Prime Minister even sought clearance from His
[5:48]Majesty the King before the vetting. He'd already got agreement from the US administration. The chair of the select committee said that. Mandelson was a done deal. Yesterday, Sir Ollie Robbins
[5:59]said that the focus was on getting Mandelson out to Washington quickly. He said the Prime Minister's team showed a dismissive attitude to vetting. And they
[6:11]even argued Peter Mandelson didn't need any vetting at all. This clearly wasn't proper process. Why
[6:20]was due process not followed? >> Mr. Speaker, let me deal with this directly, particularly this question of pressure in relation to the decision to
[6:31]appoint and to put into post Peter Mandelson. Sir Ollie Robbins could not have been clearer in his evidence yesterday. He said this, I I didn't feel under pressure
[6:42]personally in terms of my judgment. His words. Mr. Speaker, he went He went on to say, he went on to say, I have complete
[6:52]confidence that recommendations to me and the discussions we had and the decision we made were rigorously independent of any pressure. Mr.
[7:01]Speaker, on top of that, he was asked if any conversations led him to believe that Mandelson needed to take up the role regardless of vetting outcome. He
[7:13]said, I can say with certainty, it was never put to me in that way. No pressure existed whatsoever in relation to this case. What is unacceptable is that the
[7:24]recommendation of UKSV was not given to me before Mandelson took up his post. >> Mr. Speaker, we all heard what Sir Ollie
[7:34]Robbins said yesterday. The fact of the matter is that the Prime Minister spent a lot of time telling us just how furious he was to learn that Mandelson failed the vetting, the same Prime
[7:46]Minister who was trying to get him to Washington without any vetting at all. It's just unbelievable. The reason the Cabinet Secretary advised the Prime Minister to carry out full vetting
[7:56]before the appointment, this is common sense, Mr. Speaker, carry out full vetting before the appointment, was to protect our national security. The due diligence document said
[8:08]Mandelson remained on the board of the Kremlin-linked defense company Sistema long after Putin's first invasion of
[8:17]Ukraine in 2014. The Prime Minister told us on Monday that he'd read that due diligence report. Why did the Prime Minister want to make a man with links
[8:29]to the Kremlin our ambassador in Washington? >> Well, Mr. Speaker, let me deal with the first allegation she put in that question. It was always the case there would be developed vetting in this case.
[8:40]That was the understood process. That was carried out. It was reviewed by Sir Chris Wormald, and he said it was the appropriate process. Sir Olly was absolutely clear that
[8:51]nobody put pressure on him to make this appointment either whatever the sequence of developed of vetting. In relation to what was in the
[9:02]due process, any issues of national security are dealt with in the developed vetting process. I knew that. Peter Mandelson received clearance through
[9:12]that process. The problem was, as I said to the house, I was unaware that UKSB recommended against clearance. That is information that should have been
[9:22]brought to my attention. Mr. Speaker, they recommended they recommended with red flags that there shouldn't be clearance,
[9:33]and it was high concern. That information should have been available to me made available to me at the time and subsequently. The fact that
[9:43]it wasn't was a very serious error of judgment. >> I don't know what planet the Prime Minister is on, Mr. Speaker. Appointing
[9:53]someone with known links to the Kremlin is not full due process. If anybody had brought that sort of name to me when I was a Secretary of State, I
[10:03]would have said, "No way." The Prime Minister thought someone with Kremlin links was still probably okay. Let's do some vetting. Why does this matter? He keeps leaning on Sir Ollie Robbins, a
[10:13]man he sacked. He keeps leaning on him. Sir Ollie Robbins said yesterday that Peter Mandelson was given access to
[10:22]highly classified briefings even before he'd received clearance. That was a clear national security risk. How can
[10:32]the Prime Minister still maintain that full due process was followed? >> Mr. Speaker, um as a member of the House
[10:41]of Lords and Privy Counselor and in accordance with guidance, documentation could have been uh provided to him and was provided to him.
[10:51]STRAP material comes after developed vetting. But because he was a Privy Counselor, he could have access to other material before developed vetting. >> This is a joke. He says a member of the
[11:04]House of Lords. Does he mean people like Matthew Doyle? I'm amazed. I'm amazed. Yes, I am. I am amazed at the level of chuntering
[11:14]from Labour MPs. He promised them probity. What he's given them is cronyism and an old boys' club where Matthew Doyle is being proposed AS AN AMBASSADOR. IT'S RIDICULOUS. MR. SPEAKER, we all
[11:28]heard Sir Ollie Robbins' testimony yesterday. The head of the Foreign Office was sacked for the Prime Minister's own failings.
[11:39]His backbenchers know that is not fair. Even his most loyal cabinet members won't defend it. The Prime Minister did not follow the
[11:50]process the cabinet secretary set out in November 2024. He knows he did not follow due process. Yet he told the house he had.
[12:01]Mr. Speaker, I cannot accuse the Prime Minister of deliberately misleading the house. But everyone can see what has happened here. This was not due process.
[12:12]Everyone knows the price of misleading the house. Will the Prime Minister finally take responsibility and go? >> Well, Mr. Speaker, let's be absolutely
[12:26]clear. Before Mandelson took up his post, UKSB recommended with red flags that clearance should be denied and there was high concern. That that was
[12:37]not brought to my attention or the attention of the Foreign Secretary at the time or subsequently is a very serious error of judgment. And anyone in
[12:47]my position would have lost confidence in the former permanent secretary. But Mr. Speaker, the leader of the opposition claimed on Friday that Mandelson could not have been cleared
[12:58]against security advice. She was wrong about that. She said that ministers must have been told. She was wrong about that. She claimed there was deliberate dishonesty.
[13:07]She was wrong about that. Wrong, wrong, wrong. She rushed to judgment as she always did, just like the Iran war. Mr. Speaker,
[13:18]I was elected by the British people because they let the country down for 14 long years. Whatever she says, whatever noise they make, nothing is going to distract me
[13:30]from delivering FOR OUR COUNTRY. >> [cheering] [cough] >> IN CONTRAST TO THE preoccupations of the leader of the opposition, my
[13:40]constituents are more concerned with the NHS and waiting lists. Thanks to this government, across England waiting lists are coming down. In my part of the country,
[13:51]waiting lists have fallen by 13,000 in the past year alone. After years of Tory failure, we're getting the NHS back on its feet.
[14:02]Can the Prime Minister share with me what further plans we've got to get waiting lists down even more and to make sure that we've once again got a health service to be proud of? >> Well, the party opposite should hang
[14:13]their heads in shame at the state they left our NHS in. But I'm proud that this Labour government is fixing our NHS across the country. Waiting lists, Mr. Speaker, are the lowest for 3 years, best A&E waiting
[14:25]times for 5 years, fastest ambulance response times for half a decade, cancer patients getting diagnosed in the shortest time on record. Lots done, more to do. That's why we're delivering
[14:37]neighborhood health centers in every community to speed up care. We did that because we invested. What did they do? They broke the NHS and then they opposed the investment that we put in.
[14:48]>> Sir Ed Davey, leader of the Liberal Democrats. Mr. Speaker, can I associate myself and my party with the comments of the Prime Minister on our wonderful late Queen?
[14:59]And can I also agree with him on the need to confront anti-Semitism wherever it is in our society and also remembering Stephen Lawrence and his family. Mr. Speaker, I'm sure many of us in this
[15:10]house were shocked by the new revelations from Olly Robbins yesterday. He said number 10 told him to find a plum job for Matthew Doyle, another
[15:20]Labour crony friends with a convicted sex offender. Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister was asked on Monday whether number 10 had proposed any political appointments
[15:31]other than Mandelson. Perhaps the last few hours have jogged his memory. Will he confirm today did he know his office was lobbying for a diplomatic job
[15:42]for Matthew Doyle? And were they doing it on his authority? >> Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier, Matthew Doyle worked for many years in public service for me as Prime Minister and
[15:54]other ministers. When people leave roles in any organization, there are very often conversations about other roles they may want to apply
[16:03]for. In this case, nothing came of it. Sir Ed Davey. >> Mr. Speaker, the House and the public watching will note the Prime Minister
[16:14]failed to answer my questions. And Mr. Speaker, the chaos in this government mustn't stop us from focusing on the cost of living crisis hitting our country.
[16:25]President Trump's idiotic war with Iran has already pushed up inflation in our country to 3.3% and the Prime Minister knows there's far worse to come for the British people
[16:36]here on in. They need help now. So, will the Prime Minister follow other countries and use the Treasury's extra revenues from higher fuel prices to cut
[16:47]rail and bus fares and slash prices at the pump by 12p a liter? >> Mr. Speaker, everybody can see that the conflict is causing serious economic
[16:58]damage in this country and countries around the world. His claim of a windfall for the government are politically misleading and economically illiterate.
[17:09]>> Deidre Brock Hillier. >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, poor housing and temporary accommodation is having a devastating impact on families, their life chances,
[17:21]our schools and communities. Will he put the full weight of government behind ensuring that new developments in London are delivering for Londoners, not private investors and
[17:32]landlords, including on the Billingsgate Market site in my honorable friend's Poplar and Limehouse constituency? >> I thank her for her question. We inherited a housing crisis in London,
[17:43]including record numbers of children living in temporary accommodation, because the party opposite failed to build the homes that we need. Mr. Speaker, we're building those homes,
[17:54]and I'm looking forward next week when Labour will deliver more security for tenants through our renters' rights act. Can I commend Hackney Council, her council, on getting on with building
[18:04]affordable homes. What a stark contrast to the Green Party who have opposed 42,000 new homes across the capital and counting. Mr. Fenton-Glynn, when did you find your
[18:15]feet because I couldn't hear you shouting earlier? So, we won't do it next week. Dr. Ellie Chowns. >> Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister appointed Mandelson in a desperate and
[18:26]doomed attempt to pander to Donald Trump, despite knowing about his friendship with the pedophile Epstein and his links to foreign states. The Prime Minister resisted and then
[18:37]took a dismissive and extraordinarily incurious attitude to vetting, compromising national security. And now he's throwing a civil servant under the bus to save his own skin.
[18:49]All this from a Prime Minister who pledged to restore trust and integrity in government, but who's repeatedly betrayed the trust of voters and let the country down.
[19:00]Does the Prime Minister not recognize that the best thing he can do to restore trust and integrity is to take true responsibility and resign? >> Mr. Speaker, let me just correct what
[19:12]you said. There was no dismissive attitude to develop vetting. I knew the post was subject to develop vetting. It was subject to develop vetting. What didn't happen was I was told of the UKSV
[19:22]recommendation. That was a serious error of judgment. Had I been told, the appointment wouldn't have gone ahead. >> Well, Tim Loughton. >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my constituency of Glasgow North, local
[19:34]people in Summerston experiencing antisocial behavior. Tell me what makes the greatest difference is visible local police officers on the beat. However, since 2017, local police
[19:45]numbers in Glasgow have fallen by 9% leaving 214 fewer local officers serving communities. Does the Prime Minister agree with me that visible local local policing is
[19:56]essential to tackling antisocial behavior and restoring confidence in our communities? >> My honorable friend, Scotland deserves safer streets and more visible policing. In England and Wales, Mr. Speaker,
[20:08]Labour has put 3,000 more neighborhood police officers on our streets. Delivering a named police officer for every neighborhood. The SNP government has already had two decades and record
[20:19]funding to invest in public services. If they knew how to do it, they'd have done it by now, but they haven't. >> Let me ask you a question. >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We know that the Prime Minister has been
[20:29]playing fast and loose with the ministerial appointments in his shamocracy. So, I want to ask him about the first one. Mr. Speaker, they're booing me. Nothing to me, Mr. Speaker. I've seen what makes
[20:40]them cheer. The Prime Minister Jonathan Powell was appointed as the Prime Minister's special envoy to the British Indian Ocean Territories on the 6th of September, but throughout August, he held meetings with FCDO officials and
[20:52]was given access to classified information including a meeting minute between the Prime Minister and the then Foreign Secretary sat next to me on the front bench today. So, my question is very simple. When was Jonathan Powell appointed as the Prime Minister's
[21:03]special envoy to the British Indian Ocean Territory, and what security clearance did he have upon that appointment? >> Let me say that Jonathan Powell is doing an excellent job for this government.
[21:13]He is respected across the world and playing a significant part in dealing with the huge challenges that we face. >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
[21:29]Fertilizer prices are spiraling and it's not just down to the war in the Middle East. It's also because of the choices of the previous Conservative government
[21:39]who let the UK's last ammonia plant based in Billingham close in 2023. They failed to see it as a nationally critical site that was critical to UK's food production. >> Yeah.
[21:50]>> And instead that we are now more reliant on volatile imports. If we don't tackle this head on, higher fertilizer costs will mean higher food prices in the UK. Can I ask the Prime Minister what this
[22:01]government is doing to support British farmers and does he agree with me that all options to bring down the cost of fertilizer should be on the table including securing British homemade
[22:10]ammonia once again in the UK? >> Well, clearly the Middle East conflict is placing real pressure on farmers. That's why it's very important that we de- de-escalate. Today the UK is hosting
[22:21]military planners as work continues with France and other countries to help to get the Strait of Hormuz open once the ceasefire holds. We've instructed the CMA to look more
[22:32]closely at fertilizer and red diesel and to ensure farmers are getting a fair deal. We're overhauling regulations around fertilizer to diversify supply. On her particular case, we've
[22:43]also taken decision to open the carbon dioxide plant in Teesside to protect supplies because we will always act to secure our economy. >> Rachel Ford. >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
[22:54]Leaders can delegate responsibility, but we cannot delegate accountability. Lord Carrington learned this in the army and he lived it as Foreign Secretary
[23:04]when Argentina invaded the Falklands. In 1982, he held himself accountable for the failures of Foreign Office officials and resigned even though he was later
[23:14]cleared of responsibility. Does the right honorable member not believe in ministerial accountability? >> Mr. Speaker, I've set out in terms what
[23:26]I wasn't told in relation to this process. It's clearly information that I should have been given. A UKSV recommendation with a double red flag should have been brought to my
[23:36]attention. It was a It was a serious error of judgment that it wasn't. But anyone in my position would have taken exactly the decision that I took in relation to the permanent secretary. >> Keith Bottomley MP.
[23:47]>> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Housing is one of the biggest issues in my constituency. Lewisham Council is working hard to improve this, bringing its housing stock back in house.
[23:58]Non-decent homes have fallen from one in four to one in 10. The repairs backlog has reduced by almost two thirds and core waiting times have fallen from 70
[24:09]minutes to to four. However, leaseholders and those with cladding issues still need support. So, can the Prime Minister update update the house
[24:20]on what this government is doing in these two very vital areas? >> Mr. Speaker, we're tackling the injustice of leaseholds and fixing
[24:30]building safety as she rightly highlights. And can I thank her for campaigning on this over many, many years. Mr. Speaker, we're capping ground rents at £250 to cut costs for almost 4 million
[24:42]leasehold properties. We're investing over £5 billion to remove dangerous cladding, including over £1 billion for social housing in Lewisham and across the country. I'm determined that everyone should have a safe and secure
[24:54]home. >> Thank you, Jonathan. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Last Thursday, a man was arrested in
[25:03]Laleham, in my Spelthorne constituency. He'd been approaching children at the primary school having been warned by the police not to do so.
[25:13]He was taken into police custody, and after further examination, he was detained under the Mental Health Act. Unbelievably, he was living in an
[25:23]unlicensed HMO supported by the Home Office, a stone's throw from the primary school. What I would like to know, Prime Minister, is who was responsible for the
[25:34]risk assessment that put him there? Was it the Home Office? Was it Spelthorne Borough Council? Who screwed up, and who can I hold accountable? >> Can I thank him for his question?
[25:46]Obviously, this is a live police investigation, as he will appreciate. And I know the Asylum Minister is looking very closely at this case, and obviously, I can provide him with any further information as that emerges. Can
[25:58]I reassure him that all accommodation must meet contractual standards. The Home Office works with the police to manage all sites safely. Local authorities are consulted prior to any accommodation being procured, and
[26:09]can object to any proposal. And where there's strong evidence a site is not suitable, it will not proceed. >> Okay. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the main
[26:20]concerns North Durham residents raise with me is the vitality of local high streets. So, I'm delighted in that in the last year, a series of new independent businesses has opened in
[26:30]Chester-le-Street Front Street. Willow's Bakehouse, Paper and Park Bookshop, Pretty Busy Blooms, Kira Sushi Restaurant, and just this weekend, the Black Rabbit Bar, which I'm looking
[26:42]forward to visiting. Will the Prime Minister join me in congratulating these new businesses, and outline the measures he is taking to support further
[26:51]regeneration of our high streets. >> I'm delighted to hear about the new businesses in his area. Um our high street strategy backed by 301 million
[27:00]pounds will set out uh further plans to rejuvenate high streets across the country. We are putting power into the hands of local communities through our pride in place scheme, Mr. Speaker,
[27:11]including 20 million for Stalybridge and Hyde in his constituency. That is only possible because his community has a hardworking Labour MP and a Labour government. >> Jonathan Lord
[27:23]>> Mr. Speaker, some 6 months ago in this house I mentioned a little boy called Teddy Jackson. Sadly, Teddy will be forever seven because he died last week
[27:32]from MLD. MLD is a horrendous condition that stole Teddy's ability to walk, talk, and even smile. What makes this tragedy more profound is that here in
[27:43]the UK we have a treatment. We have a cure, but only it's only effective if the condition is identified by the simple heel prick at birth and treated immediately. Because when symptoms
[27:54]appear, it's too late. Just a few weeks ago, the UK Screening Committee recommended it remain excluded from the heel prick. So, we have a treatment. We have a commissioned service in
[28:05]Manchester Royal Hospital Children's Hospital, but yet children like Teddy are still dying prematurely. Prime Minister, despite all that's going on in
[28:15]the world, I know he is in politics to make a change in Teddy's memory of all those who have died prematurely, make a
[28:24]change and add MLD to the simple heel prick. >> I do remember her raising Teddy's case very well, and I'm very saddened to hear
[28:34]of his passing. And I think my thoughts, and I'm sure of the whole house, are with his family and his loved ones. And I will do precisely as she asks. I'll make sure that we look at this again >> [snorts]
[28:45]>> in light of the information she's now given to me in the course of this session. >> Mr. Oliver Letwin. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And happy St. George's Day for tomorrow, too. In Burnley, Padiham, and
[28:56]Brierfield, we have a large number of ex-industrial derelict land sites crying out for regeneration and redevelopment. They're blighting communities and many are a fire risk. Our area and Britain
[29:07]needs housing, social, affordable, family, aspirational. We have the sites if he has the will. So, will he back my campaign for a new regeneration house-building program for Burnley, Padiham, and Brierfield tackling these
[29:18]derelict sites to get us building, growing, and housing local people. >> Can I start by wishing him happy birthday? Um and I'll make sure ministers uh meet him to hear more detail about his
[29:30]particular uh proposal. We are committed to delivering 1.5 million homes this Parliament. We're prioritizing development of brownfield sites, ensuring default answer to brownfield
[29:40]proposals is a yes. We will go further and faster now our planning and infrastructure act is now law despite being opposed by every party opposite, a coalition of blockers.
[29:51]>> Testament. >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Um the Prime Minister may be aware that in December, for the first time in over three decades, defense ministers met the
[30:00]families of those killed in the 1994 RAF Chinook crash on the Mull of Kintyre. Ministry of Defense promised, quote, "ongoing dialogue with them." Is he also
[30:10]aware that despite receiving pages of new evidence presented at that meeting which showed the Chinook was not airworthy, the MOT chose not to keep its word and contacted instead the Press
[30:21]Association saying no new evidence had been presented about the cause of the crash. The Prime Minister knows, because the families have written to him, as the MOD does, too, the families are not seeking a public inquiry into the cause
[30:33]of the crash, but to know the reason why their loved ones were placed on board an aircraft which, according to the MOD's own test pilots and engineers, was described as positively dangerous,
[30:43]un-airworthy, and not to be relied on in any way whatsoever. And those are quotes. Will he agree to meet the families to rebuild trust and to offer
[30:52]the promised dialogue the MOD clearly finds so difficult to achieve? >> Can I thank her for raising this, and I will make sure this is looked at again in light of what
[31:03]she's raised just a moment ago, and I'll make sure that the families get the relevant meeting.