[0:00]The death toll in Iran may be in the thousands, higher than previously feared. In an exclusive interview, President Trump tells CBS News anchor Tony Dopal the US will take strong
[0:10]action. We'll have a preview. Why the Clintons are a no-show on Capitol Hill, telling Congress to back off. The man who was the recognized leader of Venezuela to much of the world joins us
[0:21]to discuss his country's future. And should a president get to name a building after himself? It's yet another one of those questions Congress may soon
[0:30]consider. Happy Tuesday and welcome in. I'm Ed
[0:42]O'Keefe in for Major Garrett. This is the takeout. As reports out of Iran suggest the situation there is much more violent than initially thought. President Trump is threatening to take quote very strong action if authorities
[0:54]there begin hanging anti-government protesters this week as is feared. And the president acknowledges there's a pretty substantial number of people who've been killed in more than two weeks of demonstrations against the
[1:04]regime. His comments come as sources tell CBS News the situation appears much more violent and deadly than initially thought. At least 12,000 people are believed to be dead, but that death toll
[1:15]could be much higher. CBS News has not been able to independently verify the death toll. Images out of the countries you see there show rows of body bags. The president spoke out on what the US
[1:26]might do in Iran in an exclusive interview in CBS News taped this afternoon in Detroit with CBS Evening News anchor Tony Dal. Here's part of their conversation. >> Americans woke up this morning and they
[1:37]saw that you said help is on the way. >> Yeah. >> What do you mean by that? Well, there's a lot of help on the way and in different forms, including economic help from our standpoint and not going to
[1:48]help Iran very much. And you know, we put Iran out of business with their nuclear capacity. And now, depending on what's actually happening, nobody's been able to give us accurate numbers about
[1:58]how many people they've killed. >> Well, that looks like it could be a pretty substantial number. And that's going to be a lot of problems for them. >> A lot of problems. On that point, you you did say the US would get involved if
[2:10]Iran started killing protesters. They have by the many thousands according to reports. >> Well, we'll see what that is. I've heard two numbers, but we'll see what that is. >> Well, now we're hearing that they're going to start hanging protesters
[2:20]tomorrow. So, it comes back to the question, have they crossed your red line or has the line moved? >> I haven't heard about the hanging. If they hang them, you're going to see some things that uh I don't know what your uh
[2:31]where you come from and what your thought process is, but you'll perhaps be very happy. >> What do you mean by that? >> Uh we will take very strong action. If they do such a thing, we will take very
[2:43]strong action. >> And this strong action you're talking about, what's the endgame? >> The endgame is to win. I like winning. >> How do you define that in Iran? >> Well, uh let's define it in Venezuela.
[2:54]Let's define it with Al Baghdaddy. he was wiped out. Let's define it with Solomoni and let's define it in Iran where he wiped out their Iran nuclear
[3:02]threat in a period of about 15 minutes once the B2s got there and that was a complete obliteration as it turns out which is what I said initially then some
[3:13]questioned it and they said you know Trump was right so we've been right about everything we don't want to see what's happening in Iran happen and you know if they want to have protests that's one thing when they start killing
[3:25]thousands of people and now you're telling me about hanging. We'll see how that works out for them. It's not going to work out good. >> You can watch the rest of Tony's exclusive interview with President Trump
[3:35]tonight on the CBS Evening News at 6:30 p.m. Eastern on CBS. For more on the situation in Iran, CBS News senior foreign correspondent
[3:45]Elizabeth Palmer joins us now. Liz, great to see you. You know, all day we've been hearing or reading reports on widely varying figures on the number of
[3:54]dead or injured inside Iran. What is CBS News's latest understanding of the death toll and how should we interpret these
[4:02]videos of body bags that we've seen? >> One opposition um television station has
[4:11]said 12,000 according to their coalation of numbers. Uh, one of my contacts inside Iran said that human rights groups across the country are trying to
[4:22]talk to each other and pull together their numbers from various cities and they think maybe 20,000. Um, we may never know, but certainly it appears
[4:33]more people have been killed in these protests than during any big uprising since the revolution in 1979.
[4:41]the body bags. Uh the video showing that place which has been verified, it's the medical examiner's uh compound in
[4:51]Tyrron. And it appears that on [snorts] Friday night, many people were killed and at least 350, possibly 400 bodies were taken there and just laid out in
[5:03]the courtyard so families could come and identify their loved ones. Uh that video was smuggled out of the country. It it
[5:11]does appear to be uh very accurate and in those bodies you can see people have died from b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b bullet wounds. I I want to underscore something you said though
[5:23]because I I I'm sure a viewer heard you say it and couldn't quite believe it. Some of these groups think as many as 20,000 people may have been killed in
[5:33]recent days as part of these protests. >> That's right. And and we know that there were big protests in Thran, but there are many big cities in Iran, Shiraz,
[5:44]Isvahan, Mashad, and we know they had enormous uh protests there. And the human rights groups can't really talk to each other at the moment because the internet is still shut down. Uh so it's
[5:55]cumbersome, but when they bring their numbers together, uh the pessimists among them are saying 20,000. Now, you said that the opposition
[6:07]television channels at least are talking about this death toll. Um, and apparently state television as well has acknowledged this. Um, what else are we
[6:17]hearing beyond the work of human rights groups about what's going on inside the country? >> We've managed to talk to people on the
[6:26]phone today. We hear that Thrron is absolutely blanketed with security. Police and paramilitaries.
[6:35]Um people are going about their business but keeping their heads down. Universities are closed, schools are closed. Uh the rather um ludicrous
[6:46]reason, official reason is that uh it's to save energy and because the air pollution is too bad. But of course nobody believes that. Um, and security forces are stopping young people on the
[6:58]streets and searching them physically and then demanding to see their phones and looking for any photographs or social media that would indicate that they were part of the protests. And if
[7:09]they were, they're being carted off uh to jail. Now, uh, one contact told me he'd witnessed a tiny protest spring up on a street corner and, uh, the kids
[7:20]involved in that were calling death to the dictator. And they went a step further and actually said death to Kamei, the supreme leader, took about 15 seconds before the police arrived uh,
[7:32]from several directions on scooters and they had to uh, run away as fast as they could. He said he didn't see any of them being arrested, but it's very high-risk activity right now.
[7:44]>> Absolutely. And of course, this blackout makes it really difficult to know for sure. We appreciate that uh the simple work of journalism of picking up the phone and figuring out what the heck is going on was being done by you today and
[7:56]then and for you for uh sharing it with us, Elizabeth Palmer in London tracking it all. We appreciate it. Thank you. >> Pleasure. And for a little more perspective, let's turn to CBS News national security
[8:06]contributor Samantha Vinegrat, who's here with us in studio. Um, there have been reports in the last day or so that the president's considering now a wide range of options when it comes to Iran.
[8:17]There's diplomacy, there's military operations, there's cyber operations, and then SCOPs operations or the psychological sort of attempts to destabilize the regime. What what do you
[8:27]make of the fact that this is apparently happening and what are those meetings usually like? You've been involved in stuff like this before. >> Well, even when the regime isn't massacring protesters, presidents, in my
[8:38]experience, are typically viewed on all options so that they can actually say all options are on the table to effectuate a certain goal in Iran. Now, fast forward to a situation where there
[8:48]is the mass massacre of unarmed protesters across the country. And it's smart that the president is being regularly briefed on the options. I hope Ed, he's also being briefed on the
[9:00]intelligence behind what's actually going to achieve the United States's desired end state because it seems like there's two goals here. End the violence against the protesters, but also get
[9:10]Iran to abandon its nuclear program and ultimately perhaps push the regime out of power. And those are two different goals. They may be complimentary. And so I hope that the president is listening to the intelligence on what's going to
[9:22]help get him to those points. >> And if we're getting public reports or through human rights groups the idea that as many as 20,000 people may have been killed in 16 days. And he suggests
[9:32]to Tony Dopal in the interview today that is a pretty substantial figure. Undoubtedly this means the intelligence agencies have some handle on this and are telling him we're talking five
[9:42]figures dead, many more potentially injured or detained over the course of these last few days. Right. Yeah, I would assume these intelligence briefings are giving him updates on the actual situation on the ground. A
[9:53]sitrep, a situation report, number of dead regime plans, military and security forces, where they're positioning, but also the intelligence should be guiding
[10:03]him, giving insights onto what could actually, for example, get the regime to stop massacring protesters. And ultimately, Ed, what is going to
[10:12]convince members of the IRGC and members of the intelligence services to switch sides? How are those defections going to be effectuated? And that's the lynch pin
[10:23]of how to effectuate regime change. We may see a mix of tools being used in the days ahead. Now, President Trump said a red line in this case, if lethal force is used, we're going to meet it. That's been passed. That's a problem with red
[10:34]lines. Now, hanging, he's telling our colleague Tony Doopal, may be the next red line. So, we should expect something and it may be a combination of covert action, military strikes, influence
[10:44]operations, and other tools in the toolkit. >> And when he says things like, you know, we're going to take action, it's going to be very strong. How is that potentially being perceived by the
[10:55]Iranian leadership? >> Well, do they take it as a hollow threat or do they go, "Oh, he means it." >> Oh, I think they believe it. I mean, he's clearly demonstrated both the intent and capability to strike within Iran. So, he means it, but it's a
[11:06]balance here. This is I don't want to take everything back to intelligence, but intelligence really matters. What is going to put enough pressure on the regime that they're scared enough to credibly talk to the United States and what's going to rally folks around the
[11:17]regime and the security services and intelligence services against the great Satan against the United States so that they stay loyal and that's where intel needs should be guiding what's coming out of the president's mouth and what
[11:29]public messaging is out of the administration more broadly. I suspect your your former colleagues who do this kind of work are not sleeping much these days >> probably >> between Venezuela, Iran, everything else, right? >> If they're still there. Yeah. >> Yeah. Sam Venra, good to see you again
[11:40]as always. We appreciate it. Uh let's turn back here state side because an interesting thing happened today. Bill and Hillary Clinton say they're refusing to appear before the House Oversight Committee to testify in the Jeffrey
[11:52]Epstein investigation. The former first couple released an unprecedented statement. We use that word a lot, but this one's a humdinger. It says, quote, "This is not about right or left. It's about right and wrong. House Oversight
[12:03]Committee Chairman James Comer of Kentucky says his panel is going to seek to hold the first couple in contempt next week after the former president failed to show up for testimony today. The former first lady and secretary of
[12:13]state was scheduled to appear tomorrow. Our Nicole Killian joins me now from Capitol Hill. Nicole, walk us through where we are on this and how serious is Comr's threat that they hold the
[12:24]Clintons in contempt of Congress. Well, where we are is it'll probably be deja vu again tomorrow from the standpoint that Hillary Clinton is due
[12:34]to be deposed by the committee. She is not expected to show based on the letter that was submitted to the committee today. And so the chair has made clear
[12:44]that if Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, if they don't show up, as Bill Clinton did not do so today, uh even the committee posted a video of the empty chair uh during a very brief uh
[12:55]deposition, but uh you know, the chair has made clear that he will move forward with that contempt measure as soon as next week. Take a listen to what he told
[13:04]reporters about why he felt the former president should testify. Jeffrey Epstein visited the White House 17 times while Bill Clinton was president. I've been in Congress nine
[13:16]years. I think I've been to the White House nine times in nine years. Epstein was in the White House double the amount of time that I was under one president. And then we know that Bill Clinton flew
[13:27]on Epstein's plane somewhere around 27 times after the presidency. >> So, no one's accusing Bill Clinton of anything any wrongdoing. We just have
[13:37]questions. And the chair said that this was a bipartisan vote to subpoena the Clintons. Here's how they responded in their letter to the committee. Quote, "Every person has to decide when they
[13:49]have seen or had enough and are ready to fight for this country, its principles, and its people, no matter the consequences for us. Now is that time." The Clintons argue and their lawyer
[13:59]argue that they have cooperated with the panel. they've provided what information they do have with respect to the investigation and they feel that this is simply politically motivated to try to
[14:10]embarrass them. >> Well, we will see where it goes. Nicole Killian, thank you for that recap. We appreciate it. Still to come, former Venezuela opposition leader Juan Guaido joins me. He fled to the US after a
[14:21]failed coup against Nicholas Maduro. [music] What he says he has what he has to say about bringing democracy back to his home [music] country. Plus, two landmark Supreme Court case hearings could shape the future for transgender
[14:32]athletes nationwide. Chief legal correspondent Jan Crawford will be here to break it all down. And are January 6 riers now working for Immigration and Customs Enforcement? Well, Democrats
[14:43]want to know. The Takeout returns in 90 seconds. Welcome back. Venezuela's opposition
[14:56]leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado will meet with President Trump at the White House on Thursday. President has publicly cast doubt over whether she can lead Venezuela. That appears to be part of
[15:07]the reason why Machado has floated gifting Trump the Nobel Peace Prize she won late last year. Former interim Venezuelan President Huang Guo joins me now here in Washington. Before Machado's
[15:19]opposition movement, his presidency was recognized by the United States in more than 50 other countries. Since 2019, he's been living in exile since failing to ou Maduro. Mr. Guaido, good to see
[15:29]you. Thank you for being here. Um, how do you assess how the Trump administration is handling the situation in Venezuela since the extraction of President Maduro?
[15:40]>> I mean, first the extraction has successfully won. I mean, we Venezuelans felt like justice, you know, and not only justice, an opportunity and a hope to not only re-entry our country,
[15:51]millions, 9 million Venezuelans half from uh our country, but in this moment also to recovery democracy. I mean, we know we're not naive about the situation President Trump either or state
[16:03]secretary Marco Rubio when they say Desi Rodriguez has to commit to cooperate. If she doesn't, she face the same consequences of Maduro or worse. So
[16:14]there's no naivity here about the situation for in this moment. I have to say we we feel happy,
[16:23]optimistic, but we know a lot of task have to make to achieve a full democracy restoration back in Venezuela. >> And I know you have said you actually
[16:33]supported the idea of removing Maduro the way the Trump administration did. I mean we try everything back in Venezuela elections. We won an election in 2024
[16:43]with Edund Mara was banned from that election for the regime. In 2019 President Trump and 60 countries in the world recognized me as entering
[16:53]president in Venezuela asking for an free and fair election. I mean we are try everything since maybe 15 or 20 years ago. This situation is Maduro
[17:04]mate. >> Uh they avoid a negotiation. They avoid commitment to democracy and this is an also opportunity not only to Venezuela.
[17:14]The end of impunity of these kind of regimes Maduro, Cuba, Nicaragua only talking about Latin America is an strong message to the war.
[17:25]>> You have called the interim president Deli Rodriguez an interim dictator. How would you like to see her replaced
[17:35]and how quickly? an election. I mean, it's not only about the president. It's about the National Assembly back in Venezuela. It's about to the restoration of the powers, the independence of the
[17:46]judicial system, the electoral system. I mean, we have to dismantling and criminal organization. We're not naive again about the situation. Deli
[17:56]Rodriguez is like an interim dictator and President Trump knows well. Marco Rubio knows perfectly about the situation back in Venezueler has to be released immediately almost
[18:11]immediately in this situation to gain terrain in dismantling the criminal organization and to recovery the institution to fully achieve a transition back in Minnesota.
[18:22]>> How soon should those elections be held? I mean, we want it tomorrow, but I mean, we're pragmatical about the situation. The situation back in Venezuela has to
[18:31]be established. And Secretary Rubio say in a good way, a good framework to set up the situation. Transition,
[18:41]stabilization, and recovery. I mean, uh, you not exactly maybe in that order, but stabilization is important. I mean, we got guerilla back in Venezuela. We have
[18:52]to contain that situation back in our country and to promote again the fuel independence of power back in Venezuela. If we got
[19:02]sooner election, better to democracy, better to the region, better to the markets also the oil industry, the mineral situation back in Venezuela.
[19:12]That's a good news also to the region. Maria Corino Machado, as we said, is expected to meet with the president later this week. Um, she of course won an election in 2024 to serve as vice
[19:24]president, but she's the leader of the opposition or was a leader of an opposition party in Venezuela at the time. What should she be asking for of President Trump?
[19:34]>> I mean, our main agenda years ago, our goal, our biggest achievement is democracy. I mean our agenda is about democracy also about recovery the oil
[19:44]industry also about how to 9 million Venezuelan cool return to Venezuela to rebuild. So that's our our main uh
[19:54]agenda. I mean that's not a a secret that is not a uh and but we have to in this moment we trust we are confident in
[20:04]the Trump administration to work together. I mean again they're not naive about the situation we either. So uh
[20:14]democracy have to be our our agenda for sure. >> Her party her movement is a little more center right. Yours is a little more center left. You were interim president
[20:24]or you recognized by dozens of countries around the world. When those elections are held one day in Venezuela do you intend to go home and run again for president? I mean uh first uh the
[20:34]situation I mean the ide the ideological ubication for me it's kind of anacronic in this time in this era uh the situation in Venezuela about
[20:45]dictatorship regime and democracy and liberty I already serve interim president of the national assembly I want to serve as a citizen in Venezuela
[20:57]could run uh for sure but also a lot of Venezuelans to national assembly to Congress to be mayors, governors. We need a fuel transition to democracy in
[21:08]the shortest term possible. >> But you've got that look on your face that says, "Yes, I'd like to run again one day." Maybe I I mean I I serve [snorts] as president with only 35 years
[21:18]old, right? Of national. Yeah. I mean, I have Alfreds 8 years and four years old. I mean, I want them to return Venezuela. I mean,
[21:29]has a millions. So that's when you speak about the return in middle day I have to smile and with that possib and that is
[21:37]possible because they struck Maduro. >> We should note the politicians in every language in every country don't directly answer the questions about their future [laughter] perhaps a good sign of democracy all
[21:48]over the world. Jangu thank you for being here. Good luck and we appreciate you taking the time. >> Can states limit transgender athletes from participation in women's sports?
[21:59]The Supreme Court takes up the issue and we look at their arguments next on the Takeout. Welcome back to The Takeout. Here's a
[22:10]look at what else we're watching this evening. The Trump administration's ending temporary protected status for thousands of Somali living in the United States. Those impacted will be required to leave the country by March 17th. The
[22:21]move comes as the Department of Homeland Security continues ICE operations in Minneapolis after a roughly $9 billion fraud scheme involving members of the Somali community there plagued the state. Minneapolis is home to the
[22:32]largest Somali American population in the US. Most of them are US citizens. And announcing the move, DHS Secretary Christian said, quote, "Temporary means temporary. Country conditions in Somalia have improved to the point that it no
[22:44]longer meets the law's requirements for temporary protected status." Former special counsel Jack Smith will testify publicly about his investigations of President Trump on January 22nd. That's according to House Judiciary Committee
[22:55]Chairman Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio. The prosecutor filed two cases against the president. One focusing on his efforts to block the transfer of power on January 6, 2021, and the other addressing over 300 documents with
[23:07]classified markings found in his home in Mara Lago. Since his return to office, President Trump has added his name to the Kennedy Center, the US Institute of Peace, a new fleet of US Navy vessels, governmentbacked savings and investment
[23:19]accounts, and national park passes. But now, several Democratic lawmakers have introduced a bill to ban presidents, sitting presidents, from naming buildings after themselves. Among those sponsoring the legislation is Vermont's
[23:31]independent Senator Bernie Sanders, who said this about the president. Quote, "For Trump to put his name on federal buildings is arrogant and it is illegal. We must put an end to this narcissism. And that's what this bill does. We'll
[23:43]see where that one goes. The Supreme Court is now considering the future of transgender athletes in school sports. The justices heard arguments today on cases in Idaho and West Virginia. Those
[23:53]are two of the 27 states that ban transgender athletes from playing in girls and women's sports. Jan Crawford covers the high court for us and joins us now. Jan, good to see you. What did
[24:02]we hear in court today that stands out? Well, I mean, lawyers for transgender athletes in Idaho and West Virginia argued that these bans violate the Constitution. They violate federal
[24:12]anti-discrimination law that guarantees that they should be able to participate. They can't be excluded uh based on their sex. But lawyers for the states and for the Trump administration said that, you
[24:23]know, they're not being excluded under federal law that they can still participate in sports. These laws just restrict participation to a person's biological sex. And I think a clear
[24:34]majority of the justices seem inclined to agree uh with those arguments and uphold these laws and just let the states decide. I don't think they're going to say that states uh you know can
[24:46]refuse uh to let these transgender athletes participate. I mean they can refuse but they're not mandated to. So for example, California uh potentially could still allow transgender
[24:56]participation uh whereas Idaho may be able to ban it. But the justice has said these are very difficult questions and they acknowledge that not everyone uh is going to be happy about it that that
[25:06]some people may be not want to play on the team of their biological sex. Take a listen to what Justice Brett Kavanaaugh had to say in this exchange.
[25:15]>> I hate hate that a kid who wants to play sports might not be able to play sports. Hate that. Um but
[25:25]uh we have it's kind of a zero sum game for a lot of teams. Um and uh someone who tries out and makes it uh
[25:37]who is a transgender girl uh will bump from the starting lineup, from playing time, from the team, from the all league, and those things matter to
[25:47]people big time. uh will bump someone else. >> Justice Kavanagh suggested that is not what Congress had in mind in 1972 when
[25:57]it passed uh that anti-discrimination law, Title 9, to really expand access to women. They suggested Congress uh really had in mind at that time that it was biological women and that maybe Congress, if they want to see it
[26:08]differently, can change the law. Ed, >> and what's interesting, of course, is Justice Kavanagh is also, of course, a parent and someone who's coached CIO basketball for his daughters uh here in Washington. is someone who knows that
[26:19]issue well. This is an issue about children and parents and families. So, a really tough one for them. We're not expecting a decision until the summer. What are the different possibilities here? Remind us.
[26:30]>> You know, I mean, obviously that's right. I mean, this is a harder case, but I think what we saw from the arguments today uh is that they're going to keep this focused on sports. I think there are going to allow states uh to
[26:40]restrict participation to a person's biological sex, as they put it, but they're going to keep it narrowly focused on sports. So, it's not going to get into issues like bathrooms, uh, or, you know, same-sex spaces, locker rooms,
[26:51]prisons, that kind of thing. It seems like it will be pretty narrowly focused, but nonetheless, and that will be a big victory, uh, for people who have been pushing uh, to kind of keep uh, the sex
[27:03]uh, separate and keep these spaces separate for biological women. >> Jan Crawford covers the Supreme Court for CBS News. We thank you. Good to see you. We'll talk to you soon. Uh, and we are joined now by former gymnast
[27:15]Jennifer Say. She now runs the company XXXY Athletics, which supports banning trans women from competing in women's sports. And uh you you know she likes the brand because she shows up wearing
[27:25]it. Uh you don't see retail uh bosses do that all the time. Good to have you with us and thank you for being here. I know you were on the steps of the Supreme Court today uh among those uh observing
[27:35]this case uh or these two cases. How are you hoping ultimately that justices rule and why? Uh, I am hoping or I guess what I think will happen and what I'm hoping
[27:46]for is the justices will rule. I think we'll get a 63 ruling probably not 90 as some of the AG's hope that these states, 27 states that have laws on the books that protect women's sports, they'll be
[27:58]able to continue doing that. But from my perspective, we're not done at that point. Um, you know, I'm here to protect girls sports, keep women's sports female, and there's still 23 states that
[28:09]are going to be allowed to um have boys participating, and I think they'll double down on that. States like California, and girls in California deserve fair competition, too. >> So, ultimately, should this be left to
[28:21]the states to decide, to counties, to school districts to decide, or would you like to see blanket federal rulings or law on this? I would like to see federal legislation that reifies Title 9 as it
[28:33]was intended. Title 9 was created to protect women's sports and give women equal opportunity, women and girls equal opportunity in the education system, not males who believe themselves to be women.
[28:45]>> If transgender athletes in those states that ban this aren't allowed to compete in women's sports, where and how should they compete? >> In boys. >> It's that simple to do.
[28:56]>> They're male. So if they can compete on that side, they make it. >> Absolutely. Sports are not about identity. They are about the the the
[29:05]category is based on bodies. That is women's and men's, girls and boys. There's ages. Um there's weight classes. If a heavyweight thinks of himself as a welterweight, he does not get to compete
[29:17]down a weight class. It's based on actual bodies. And they uh possess male bodies and they can compete in boys. And if they don't make the team, well, lots of people don't make the team. Yeah. Um,
[29:28]are you afraid a ruling in favor of the bans as you're anticipating could have any unintended consequences um and weaken Title 9 protections in some way? >> I don't think it weakens Title N. I just
[29:40]don't I don't think I think we're asking for the bare minimum here. I think we're asking that states be allowed to protect women's sports. I don't think from my perspective we've won when that happens.
[29:50]I don't think we've won until uh every state recognizes that men's bodies and women's bodies are different. There's one truth, two sexes, that's it. >> And what's I think interesting to some
[30:00]is while the the courts are still working on this and may ultimately settle at least this specific part of it. It does seem as if public opinion is on your side almost overwhelmingly so at
[30:12]this point that girls do girl sports, guys do guys sports. I think the public understands that there are two sexes. I think the other side, the side that is the opposite of of [laughter] mine, has
[30:24]done a very good job for the last 20 years of convincing people of affeiction. But people know there are two sexes. Girls deserve their own sports and spaces. And moms and dads across the country and young athletes have been standing up. And I think
[30:35]people just understand the material reality of biology. I'd like to think our brand has played a little bit of a role in this, but I I I I don't want to take too much credit. people people understand material reality.
[30:46]>> And to those who say because there is no uniform way to know how many transgender athletes are participating in women's
[30:56]sports or vice versa, it doesn't appear to be a very big or widespread issue. You say what? >> Well, that's not true. There's been
[31:07]thousands of podium spots, awards stolen from girls, and I would argue one is too many. Do we let one man taking performance-enhancing drugs compete? >> No.
[31:18]>> Well, the Olympic movement certainly has let some through and then it comes back. You'll find out later that there's issues with it. But >> but now there's pretty uh aggressive and disciplined testing. And all I'm asking
[31:29]for is testing for sex, which is what the Olympic movement had until 1999 and then they stopped at that point. One is too many. Girls deserve fairness. So you get your ruling the way you anticipate
[31:40]uh it goes which is in essence provides clarity >> for the for the way forward and you continue pushing until all 50 states ban this >> all 50 states and all governing bodies
[31:51]the olympi US Olympic committee the international Olympic committee I believe we need to push to test for sex again it's a simple cheek swab it's not invasive >> all right Jennifer say thank you for being here
[32:02]>> thank you for having me >> blocked from investigating ating the Minneapolis shooting. Several career prosecutors at the Justice Department Civil Rights Division leave their jobs. What we're learning about the mass
[32:13]resignation coming up next on The Takeout. Welcome back. Sources tell CBS News a
[32:24]wave of resignations has hit the Justice Department Civil Rights Division because of a lack of action following the deadly Minneapolis ICE shooting. Scott McFarland's been reporting on this and
[32:34]joins us now. I was bugging you early this morning saying, "Wait, why would the Civil Rights Division be responsible for investigating this shooting?" And the answer was, >> "If there's an accusation of a misuse or
[32:46]excessive force used by law enforcement, >> the Civil Rights Division of the Federal uh prosecutor's offices lead that." That's a that's a outgrowth of the civil rights era when there obviously were
[32:57]faceoffs between law enforcement and communities. The Civil Rights Division handles these types of things historically. They are not leading an investigation of a potential deprivation
[33:07]of color of law or excessive force by the immigrations officer. So you have departures in the wake of that. Multiple departures inside the civil rights division. They were announced at a
[33:17]meeting that was held for the staff on Monday. You also have at least a half dozen departures in the US attorney's office in Minnesota, which would be lead on this. It's also not an
[33:28]inconsequential bit of timing because this controversy is only bubbling up. I was going to say these are the prosecutors in Minneapolis who have been dealing with the underlying concerns about fraud across the state. Right.
[33:38]>> Not only are they the one tasked with handling the fraud cases that have already been brought, the ones that have been emphasized by the White House, any future fraud cases that are to be brought. What's more, they're also handling an assassination investigation
[33:50]of House Speaker Melissa Hortman. That's right. >> In Minnesota. So, they've got some big things on their plate. They have fewer people to handle it now. And that is the microcosm of the bigger issue here, Ed, which is the Department of Justice has
[34:01]been losing people by the hundreds. Many of them leaving in protest over what they're seeing and still got to get the work done. >> And if you're leaving now almost a year into the Trump administration, it means
[34:13]you weren't part of that first wave that was like, I don't want anything to do with this when he starts. This was the I'll see how it goes crowd and less than a year in they're going time to go. I
[34:24]think that's the proper context in framing of exactly how I would frame it because you have people who found this to be a bridge too far when there were no bridges in sight over the past year. That should give you an indication of what an inflection point this Minnesota
[34:36]shooting is for the lifelong career prosecutors inside the Department of Justice. >> You also have some reporting on House Democrats asking the Trump administration if any January 6th riers
[34:46]now work for ICE. Yeah, the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee has submitted a formal inquiry to the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice for lists or information on anybody who was pardoned
[34:56]for January 6th now working as an ICE agent. Considering all the background noise about ICE, there's interesting timing to this inquiry. Congressman Jamie Rascin, who's the uh ranking
[35:06]member of the committee, says with all the masking of ICE agents, we have no idea who's working for whom, and the Department of Homeland Security does not release names of its agents, they say to prevent doxing. So, all of this is a mystery. We reached out to the
[35:18]Department of Homeland Security for reaction. A spokeswoman said that they find Congressman Raskin's letter to be reckless and political. They don't deny
[35:28]any January 6 riers work for ICE, nor will they release identities, they say, to protect the agents themselves. >> What started this for Raskin? Was this like an online thing that people went, "Well, if these guys were masked on
[35:38]January 6, why wouldn't they potentially be getting a job that lets them shield their identity?" >> To be clear, that online chatter is very much prevalent. It's existed for some time now. Congressman Raskin brought up the possibility at a hearing Thursday of
[35:50]the Judiciary Committee. He is following up with a formal inquiry to just get a clear answer. Yes or no. >> All right, we'll see where it goes. Scott McFarland, thank you for being here. Appreciate it. >> We choose Denmark. That's the message
[36:01]from Greenland's prime minister ahead of tomorrow's meeting with US officials here in Washington. Our political panel weighs in as a Republican lawmaker introduces a bill seeking to make the island the 51st state. You're watching
[36:13]The Takeout. Welcome back to The Takeout. The Trump administration is pushing forward with its desire to control Greenland. Desire,
[36:23]we could use a harder word than desire. Demand by at least from the president's position. Officials from Denmark and Greenland are set to meet with Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio at the White House
[36:33]tomorrow as Greenland's Prime Minister says he wants his nation to remain part of Denmark and not to be tied to the United States. Let's bring in our political panel because eventually all things become political. Republican
[36:45]strategist Aaron Magcguire and Democratic strategist and CBS News political contributor Chuck Roachcha. Good to see you both. Um Chuck, let me begin with you. Is it time for Democrats to get on board with this idea of uh of
[36:56]taking over Greenland? >> No, I think Democrats should do what I do. And when I got these talking points coming over here on what this subject would be, I was thinking, well, unless they're going to start grazing cattle over there and making beef cheaper, this ain't got nothing to do with 2026
[37:07]election. It's just another distraction in my mind. >> You think that's all it is? >> I really do. I really do. I don't think people could give two you know whats about what's going on over there. I think people are worried about making ends meet every day at their house.
[37:19]>> I mean, this was my question for you. Do Republican voters get why the president cares? I mean, there's an obvious national security geopolitical balance of power argument to make, but when the economy and inflation are the number one
[37:30]and number two issues, >> yeah, I I'm going to agree with my good friend Chuck here is that it's not registering to voters, either Democrats or Republicans, this isn't something that's going to dissuade any voter. But I think that your point is correct in
[37:41]terms of what the Trump administration, I believe, is trying to do here is what classic Trump does. He makes a big bold gesture, a big bold thing, and then he tempers it back. I really do think that
[37:51]this is more directed strategically, to your geopolitical point, against Russia and China and securing a closer allyship with Greenland. I know Trump likes to do it by slamming people over the head with
[38:02]a sledgehammer in order to make that happen sometimes. But given how um tenuous things are moving in the Arctic right now, geopolitically speaking, there is certainly a long-term gain to bringing Greenland closer to the United
[38:13]States. We were talking earlier, Chuck, about the Clintons and their pretty extraordinary letter to the chairman of the House Oversight Committee about not showing up to testify in the ongoing
[38:22]Epstein probe, essentially saying there are times when people have to stand up and say, "Stop, and this is when we're doing it." Also making the point that seven of the eight other people subpoenaed, we're allowed to just submit
[38:34]statements. Why are you dragging us in? Um, but this puts Democrats in a tricky situation because you've been very critical of and, you know, basically seeking blood from the Republicans
[38:45]involved in this. Why not the Clintons who were certainly closely associated with it? >> Look, I've said this on this program. I've seen on others, Democrat, Republican, anybody involved with what they were doing with these young women
[38:57]should be there and do this. And I think it does put some Democrats, but I think if Democrats stay to their core, they say, "Look, this is a distraction." Again, it's kind of like Greenland. This ain't got nothing to do with making people's lives better. It's another
[39:08]distraction. But I'll be on record today saying Democrat, Republican, independent, the president of the United States, anybody else, they should be before Congress explaining their relationship with this man. >> There are liberals, those on the left
[39:20]saying if they refuse to cooperate, if they refuse to show up, why not have Democrats expel the Clintons from the Democratic party? Just say if you're part of this too, just like [laughter] all those Republicans. somebody who as
[39:31]somebody who worked for Bernie Sanders, I've been trying to expel him for a little bit for a good time now. It's going to take a minute just like the Obama folks. I think there's a whole bunch of people in our party who've been doing things the wrong way for a long
[39:42]time. And I think it's time for a new set of priorities within the party going back to workingclass values that made me join this party if we're ever going to take on Republicans and win back power again. This is an example of what
[39:53]aboutism though? Like, well, if you're going to talk about the Trumps, what about the Clintons and the fact that he was associated with them and went on his plane dozens of times? I mean, again, does this work? Does this help with the base? Does this help turn our voters?
[40:04]>> It certainly, I think, helps with the base, right? This is red meat all day for the base. Do I think it helps with voters? Absolutely not. I think talking about the economy, gas prices, jobs,
[40:14]affordability, education, we could be talking about the Supreme Court right now and and protecting girls sports and girls uh institutions. All of that is a
[40:24]better message than this. However, it is the what aboutism? Why do the Clintons think that they're better than the law? Why do the Clintons think that they get to skirt this? Why do they think that now trying to sell that they're the resistance to Donald Trump is anything
[40:35]new or exciting for the American people? Hillary Clinton is the reason Donald Trump is president of the United States. She keeps losing to him. This looks like it's going to end up the same way for
[40:45]her. They are not some martyrs now, the Clintons in the defiance of Trump. They're the same clown show they've been for the last 20 years. >> Let me let me build on something Aaron is saying, and she made a good point about motivation. Whether it's the
[40:57]Clintons, whether it's Greenland, whatever your thing is at home, both parties have a problem coming in the midterms. And they're both relying on one thing is that a midterm election is about who you can turn out. Democrats
[41:08]used to be the party that turnout really did help us. Now it hurts us all depending on who shows up. So the Republicans and Democrats have to find the things they can get these presidential voters back out if we're
[41:19]going to win. >> You know, the one thing maybe Democrats or Republicans can all agree on, >> what's that? The major Garrett shouldn't get into baseball. [laughter] >> Oh no, he's gonna turn a knee or something. >> Yeah.
[41:30]>> I mean, is he a wide receiver? We need a few for the Buffalo Bills this weekend. >> He is not. But do we have this? >> I hope he's playing first base. >> What's that? >> I hope he's playing first base. >> What's he playing? >> I always played left out in baseball.
[41:42]Did [laughter] >> Well, we want to take you >> Oh, this is going to be >> to Arizona to check in on Major who's thriving at fantasy baseball camp with the San Diego Padres's. Seems they need the help. And the video here speaks for
[41:53]itself. He's clearly adjusting well at both the plate and in the field. And here he was on lessons learned in baseball and in life. >> This fantasy camp brings me a lot of
[42:04]life, a lot of spirit, a lot of joy. But my joints, my muscles, they're feeling a little bit close to lifeless. A little bit close. But we're going to get
[42:14]through. We're going to have fun. This is proof of life. No injuries, no significant injuries, but just a lot of aches and pains. No significant injuries. >> Seems he's going to need some
[42:26]medication. Um, good for him though. >> Yeah, that's fun. >> Yeah, I've always wanted to do something like that. I played football for nine years. I played baseball. I still go out on the mall and play uh pickup softball
[42:37]with a bunch of the I do. But every time I do it now that I've got older and as I was in Africa last week, this old African beard's coming a lot grayer. My joints feel the same way as this beard these days. >> Oh my god. A lot of gray.
[42:49]>> A lot of gray. Um, thank you both for being here. Major will be back later in the week. The fantasy baseball camp continues through uh, I guess Thursday, so he's back Friday. All right. Well,
[43:01]uh, unless the Padres's really need him, in which case he's right. He's going out. He's shipping out for farm team. Got [laughter] >> um, I did not know many San Diego Padres's fans before I met Major. So,
[43:12]uh, good for him and good for good for him to get out there and do that. Uh, that does it for today. >> The, uh, we thank you for being here. I met O'Keefe, Chug [music] Roachcha, Aaron, thank you both. The Daily Report
[43:24]is coming up next. Stay tuned.