[0:00]We get along very famously as you would say. >> This is a great day for the special relationship. >> The United Kingdom is a uh this is a wonderful country.
[0:11]>> My friend, our friend, President Trump. Thank you. [Music] >> That was a good mashup. I enjoyed that.
[0:21]Ruth did too. Hello and welcome to Electoral Dysfunction Meets Trump 100, the Sky News podcast mashup. Uh with me, Beth Riby at the Prime Minister's
[0:32]Country Home, Checkers. >> Me, Mark Stone, also here at Checkers in Buckinghamshire, 45 miles or so to the northwest of Downing Street in a glamorous field, aren't we, Beth? >> Yes.
[0:44]>> Well, it's also me, Ruth Davidson. Uh I'm at home. I'm despite being in Scotland, not in a field. Although we do have some beautiful, beautiful fields in Scotland. The most beautiful very close to where Trump's mom was born. Uh, it's
[0:55]proper Scotland that is. >> And me, Harry Harmon in Westminster. And I've stolen your studio, Beth. But unfortunately, you took the hair and makeup with you, which is why you look so fab.
[1:05]>> I have a lot of makeup on. I decided that Trump's state visit and press conference was a false eyelashes day. Uh, so I am fully made up as uh we all I
[1:16]look a little bit ridiculous but apparently it works on camera. Well, this is like the Avengers have assembled, isn't it? It's our own Sky News special relationship and it's quite a sight to see here because the world's
[1:28]media have descended on my home county. I grew up in Buckingham Shere. I have you all know for a front row seat to Donald Trump's big day with Karma. >> Yeah, it was indeed. And if you're
[1:38]confused thinking you were tuning in for Trump 100 and you're getting electoral dysfunction or the other way round, it's because we've brought it all together for this special occasion, special relationship, as you say, Beth, it has
[1:49]been a very, very busy day here in Buckinghamshire. The whole US press pack turned up to see it all in person. And so it has been well, there have been a lot of people here, haven't there?
[2:00]>> It's been like being in a movie. I felt like I was in movie and you see like the armed police walking around. It it felt it felt, you know, the the shinook's landing. >> Yeah. >> Are you envious?
[2:12]>> I mean, frankly, yes. I love a bit of theater. Although, to be honest, the bit I would have liked most was probably the bag pipes as they arrived and then also the parachutists.
[2:23]>> That did look a little bit like a Bond film because they they came into land. Uh, and you've got a uh you got a bug on your shoulder, Beth. >> Have I? >> There you go. It's gone. >> Thank you. >> Um, they came into land. One of them was
[2:34]was was had a massive Union flag uh underneath um as he was carrying attached to his feet. So that looked amazing. Anyway, the good news is because there were so many people here rather than being in a field uh we
[2:46]actually got a marquee US media and we're doing things slightly differently on our podcast. So to our dysfunctioners, if you like the sound of Mark, remember to follow Trump 100
[2:56]wherever you get your podcasts where you'll get him, James and Martha dissecting everything happening in the States. And for anyone new to our political sisterhood of Beth, me, and
[3:07]Ruth, just search for electoral dysfunction for your UK politics. >> Yeah. I have to say, ladies, I feel a little bit I feel a little bit outnumbered here. >> It's fine. You'll be You'll be fine. >> Will I be all right? >> Yeah, I like you. You're fine.
[3:18]>> Okay. >> You're an equal partner in this special relationship. I promise. >> I tell you what, Mark Austin's over there. He's he's busy on the telly, but I'll get him over here. >> We're going to we're going to double up on Marks. >> We're going to talk about Trump and
[3:30]Stara. That press conference. It was the moment of jeopardy. We'll get into the significance of that, the significance of the whole visit. We will take you behind the scenes uh here a bit too. And we'll touch on two major stories rumbling on in the background. That is
[3:42]the ongoing free speech debate after American talk show host Jimmy Kimmel was taken off air for his remarks about Charlie Kirk's assassination. >> And the other big story rumbling on is
[3:53]Peter Mandelson. We've got to get Harriet's latest take on the man who hasn't been around in person this week, but he's certainly been talked about, even if Donald Trump pretends he doesn't
[4:03]actually know who he is. It's Harriet's old cabinet colleague, Peter Mandolson. I asked Trump about it, and we'll get to that. >> But we got a president and a prime minister to talk about. They look like they had fun.
[4:13]>> Yeah. And Mark, you've had a bit of a steer, haven't you, about how team Trump think it all went. You got to speak to Trump's chief of staff, Susie Wilds, right? >> Yeah. and Howard Lutnik, the commerce
[4:25]secretary, and for a brief second, uh, Marco Rubio as well. It was a strange moment, um, because you were invited, you got an official seat at the press conference, didn't you, through Downing Street. Yes.
[4:35]>> Because I'm based in Washington, uh, we went through the through the White House. Uh, and I got rejected. I just thought I'd try my luck. Uh, so I sort of coattailed uh, your pink jacket in
[4:45]there and, uh, discovered that there was no checks and I went straight in. And it was a really good thing I did because the first person I saw mingling at the front among the cabinet, the US cabinet
[4:57]was Susie Wilds. This this highly influential chief of staff of Donald Trump, been on at his side for so long. Fidian like like like uh you know where
[5:07]he lives uh and so influential. So I got chatting to her and it was really interesting. It was only brief, but I did manage to get out of her um just how much they've enjoyed this. So she didn't actually need to speak. She looked so
[5:18]sort of bedazzled by the whole thing. Uh but she did say she said the whole thing has just been just great. Every part of it dinner uh was the best bit. She then told me that the president and the prime
[5:28]minister had had a lengthy one-on-one and she emphasized the president she said he doesn't do that sort of thing very often. There was no one else in the room. Uh she said they were supposed to get 15 minutes. She then said it was
[5:39]about half an hour. I think the prime minister said it was even longer up to an hour. Anyway, it was a long time. Interestingly, I don't know what you all think of this, but she said that uh
[5:48]there was no talk of Ukraine, no talk of Gaza, no talk of foreign policy issues at the points where she was present, but she then did emphasize that privately at
[5:59]this one-on-one uh maybe they did talk about it. >> Yeah, I they must have done because the PM mentioned it and this is a bit of background that I've picked up from a a UK source, which is the prime minister
[6:09]absolutely delighted with the visit. Uh the view is that the PM's personal relationship with the president has helped create an environment for much bigger than expected deals. It's been a
[6:20]huge economic boost. The presser went well. And on and on the Torid Time Star has been having uh the source tells me the government was hit by two extraneous
[6:30]shocks. Angela Raina's tax issue and Peter Mandlesson's emails from 2008, both out of our control. There is a view that they are now firmly back on track
[6:41]with real momentum going on into conference. So after a torid couple of weeks, dare K star get his tail up. Let's see. Well, talking about
[6:52]questions, Beth, um you were called on very last in the press conference. Top billing right at the end there. I thought you might not get in. uh instead of asking one question, you asked about six, but there was one kind of gaping
[7:03]hole in the press conference that had covered Gaza, it covered economics, it covered free speech, and you were left kind of cleaning up that the Peter Mandlesson question, but it I mean the answer was a jaw drop, a proper we call
[7:14]it in Scotland a scondropper, you know, you were probably like, "Oh, did he just say that?" >> Finally, if I may, the elephant in the room, Lord Mandolson, he is no longer
[7:25]the ambassador. Do you have some sympathy uh with him that he lost his job over historic uh links to Jeffrey Epstein? Thank you very much. >> I don't know him actually. Uh I had
[7:35]heard that and uh I think maybe the prime minister would be better speaking of that. That was a choice that he made and uh I don't know what is your answer to that. >> Well, I mean it's very straightforward.
[7:46]Uh some information came to light last week which wasn't available when he was appointed and I made a decision um about it and that's um very clear. Kier Starmer thought he got away with it. He
[7:57]thought he was getting away out of the room with it. He did >> a proper hospital pass from Trump to to Starmer as well. >> So, you don't know if you're going to get called or where you're going to get
[8:07]called? I was pretty confident I probably get a question. Then when you realize that you're kind of running down the running order, you're like, well, I've prepared four or five questions, but are they all going to be gone? So,
[8:18]that's also very stressful. Uh, when we got to the end, I couldn't really believe that no one had asked a question about Lord Mandlesson. I figured it would be the first or second question
[8:30]that the UK lobby at least uh would ask about. So, I'm sitting in this room thinking, I really, really don't want to have to ask. We closed these proceedings
[8:39]and it's all gone really well. Uh, I was like, I'm going to have to do it, aren't I? So I I tried to do it in a way where I thought it would potentially elicit a response from Donald Trump. So do you
[8:50]have any sympathy? Uh I just couldn't believe it when he said I don't know who he is. >> We should emphasize that that clearly Donald Trump knows precisely who Peter
[9:01]Mandlesson is. Peter Mandlesson has been in the Oval Office quite a few times. He was there for the trade deal. Every time Starmer has been to Washington and that's quite a few times uh at his right
[9:13]hand side would would have been Peter Mandelson. Trump knows exactly who he is. >> Well, it's also he it was clearly I mean in a kind of way because he was on his best behavior. I mean I've seen some Trump pressers that have gone
[9:24]catastrophically badly. That wasn't one of them. He was absolutely playing nice. And it seemed to me that he was really trying to be helpful by saying, "Oh yeah, I don't know the guy. The PM can answer to this. He's got the light on
[9:34]this." But but but it's really unhelpful because the entire point from the entire UK government the last five days has been you know it was a risk put Mandlesson in there but it was worth the risk because he's a Trump whisperer. He
[9:46]understands him. He gets on. He can he can get the White House to do his bidding. You know he's he can really work with these people and Trump's going yeah I don't know the guy. He's just some some some punter that I've never heard of.
[9:57]>> I'll just say quickly two thing. I think it I think it was an attempt to be helpful. Yeah. uh I don't think he liked the word Epstein being spoken in his uh
[10:07]environment at all. And interestingly afterwards a few of the US press call came up and thanked me for asking that question because they said you know no one will ask the question. So good on
[10:19]you for asking it. And someone messaged this is a minister messaged me after that which made me laugh. They said it's funny that Trump said he didn't know him. It's my favorite jam to pretend. I
[10:31]don't know people who think they are really important. And I wonder how >> how annoyed Peter Mandles must feel cuz he hated having to stand down and now
[10:42]he's been completely defenistrated by Trump as they sign the tech deal which he says is his personal pride and joy. I think Beth, you were exactly right to ask the question. I mean, remember there
[10:53]was a three-hour debate in the House of Commons on Tuesday with a lot of MPs saying Trump will be absolutely furious that Peter Mandelson has been sacked and this will undermine the special
[11:05]relationship on the eve of the state visit. And it turns out when you asked the question, you're absolutely right. It was the elephant in the room. Nobody else asked it. You did. Um but he
[11:16]basically said Peter who? And I think that um number 10 will be very relieved at that because what they want to do is to move on to the substance of the U US
[11:26]investment into the UK um the trade deal you know working together in relation to Ukraine. They don't want to be discussing Peter Mandlesson and you know what they're not going to be. But there
[11:38]still are issues for us um Ruth in the House of Lords because he's Peter Mandles Mandlesson is on leave of absence from the House of Lords and
[11:48]after 3 months he can reapply to come in. But actually it's quite paradoxical looking at the dates that he managed to get past the House of Lords vet vetting
[11:59]in 2008 because that's when Gordon Brown nominated him from the Lords. By that time, Jeffrey Epstein had already been convicted and Peter Mandlesson was
[12:11]already a longstanding friend of his. So, it really raises questions about the first off vetting of the House of Lords in 2008. >> Well, let's not talk about the process. What do you think, Harriet, because you know Peter better than anyone else in
[12:23]this pod? If he's not fit to be the UK ambassador to the US, is he fit to sit in parliament? Is he fit to sit in the Lords? Do you want him back? Um, I think there should be a process,
[12:32]but actually I don't think he enhances the reputation of the House of Lords. I think he would damage it, and I think he's got a a talent for reinventing himself and reappearing after scandals,
[12:44]but I think this time that's got to be it. >> Oh, well, there you go. You heard it from Harriet here first. He's not welcome. H we've been doing a bit of factchecking. I think we can prove that the pair of them have met and that that
[12:55]actually the president does know who he is. as the prime minister has said, just shows what two countries who trust each other, who are confident in each other
[13:06]and are familiar with each other uh can do not just for ourselves but for those the rest of the world who need to benefit from a bigger and better international trading system.
[13:18]>> Thank you very much. It was beautifully stated. What a beautiful accent. >> I'd like to have that accent. Thank you. My mother would be proud. Well, President Trump then said he
[13:28]didn't know him, but he clearly does know him. So, it's even more of an excruciating moment for Peter Mandlesson. But in terms of the questions that were being asked of Trump and particularly from the traveling
[13:38]American press corp, Mark, you know, I I was struck by just how internationalist it was. I mean, this was all foreign policy uh that that the president was being asked to cover here.
[13:48]>> It was. But what was also striking is is who he took the questions uh from uh for the the first three. His first question very interestingly uh was uh for GB
[13:59]news, not for an American outlet uh but for GB news. That's telling um and you know reflective I think of how close GB News has come to to to the presidency.
[14:09]Uh the second question uh was Brian Glenn. Brian Glenn is the suit man. The man who asked Zalinski why he wasn't wearing a suit in the Oval Office. >> And then when the Zalinski came back, he
[14:20]said, "Brian, you're in the same suit as as me. At least I've changed." >> Exactly. So So Brian Glenn is an American reporter um who works for a
[14:30]very very proTrump outlet. Uh I've got to know Brian very well uh over the past um I don't know six, eight months or so. But he always gets a first question uh first or second question from Trump. And
[14:42]honestly, I'll be blunt and I say it to his face as well. His questions are not really questions. They're more statements of how brilliant uh the Trump administration is doing. And then the third question was from Fox News. So they were not particularly hard
[14:53]questions, any of them. Uh but you're right, uh it was a focus more on foreign policy than it was uh on the the moment of the day, uh the pomp, the circumstance, and the the tech deals.
[15:04]But I think for all that the red carpet was rolled out and you know there's been lots of suggestions that you know that Kia Starmer has been kind of um you know
[15:15]bending the knee to to Trump. Actually what happened over this state visit is K Starmmer has done incredibly well. He hasn't moved an inch from his position
[15:25]on Ukraine and on Putin. Um he's been moving the country closer to the EU. he's done a very clear position on
[15:35]recognizing um the Palestinian state which he's going to which is very different again from from Trump and you know unlike Trump he's got climate change as an issue in the forefront of
[15:45]his um political concerns. So basically CH what Star has done is he's managed to create a strong relationship with President Trump in order to leave her in
[15:56]investment get a good trade deal try and bind him in to the coalition of the willing. So he's got the positive gains without actually shifting his basic principal position on a whole range of
[16:08]issues where we differ from Trump but that they haven't become an issue. So I think he's done incredibly well. >> And Beth, you said on on Sky that um I I saw in your kind of up some of it. You
[16:19]were saying that the press conference it was people that when they were disagreeing, they were disagreeing agreeably. And I thought particularly as I watched a lot of the questions on on Gaza and Israel. Um it was clear the
[16:31]prime minister and the president were coming from from from different backgrounds, different positions and policy positions on it. But but I did think that actually, you know, there's
[16:40]no domestic harm to Starmer to have him stand next to the president and say something different and stick to his guns on it, particularly to a domestic labor supporting audience.
[16:51]>> You're absolutely right, Ruth. And actually the the the burning question I actually had was on Gaza, what Trump was going to do. Was he going to press Prime
[17:01]Minister Netanyahu? some reports in the US media today saying that he's privately saying how frustrated he is uh with the Israeli prime minister behind
[17:11]closed doors, but you saw in his responses and he was asked a couple of times, he just won't go there publicly. So, he flips it to Hamas and the hostages. And what I think was good for
[17:22]Star was, you know, Starmmer clearly isn't going to uh do much on Palestinian statehood until Trump has left. that much is obvious but it was clear that he
[17:33]had made his case he is going to uh recognize uh the Palestine state and Trump was clear there he said we don't agree with this it's one area we disagree and I'm okay with that and that
[17:45]was that was that's the point you see all of those things you're like that's the blow up that's the blow up and actually what was really interesting about all of this is I don't know whether it's because Starmer has found a
[17:56]way to work with Trump it might be because Trump really has enjoyed the state visit and he doesn't want to cast a shadow over it. Whatever reasons, uh, and it's probably a bit of both. Um, he
[18:07]managed to kind of in that moment be his own man and be his own prime minister and not piss Donald Trump off, which is no no easy feat, is it? >> It's almost as if they got they got to a position they've got to a position in
[18:19]their relationship now where where few people are at with Trump, incidentally, where they can disagree without there being consequences from the Americans. He's managed to lay on enough over the
[18:30]course of the past few days that their relationship is close enough that they're able to do that. I think that's that's >> that's a kind of win, isn't it? For for >> it is. But I would still say the bigger
[18:39]issue here and this is you know the only leader that can unlock Netanyahu is President Trump. And for whatever reason
[18:49]at the moment he is not doing that. And until he does, the idea of Israel pulling back uh seems very distant. And as all of that goes on, this
[19:00]humanitarian crisis is building in Gaza that you know there are reports about a wide set famine really setting in and it's just it's just heartbreaking to see it. Right.
[19:12]>> And Mark on a on the other big conflict in in the world that was talked about today on Ukraine and Russia. Today the phrase was Putin has let me down.
[19:23]>> We've solved seven wars. Seven wars. Wars that were unsolvable. Wars that couldn't be negotiated or done. We've
[19:32]done the US has done seven of them. The one that I thought would be easiest would be because of my relationship with President Putin. But uh he's let me
[19:42]down. He's really let me down. Was going to be Russia and Ukraine. But we'll see how that turns out. >> That was a news line uh for sure. >> But but honestly, like what's he going
[19:53]to say next week? He's going to have a call with Putin. Putin's going to feel like Cap is going to say something, buy himself more time, and Trump will be back the other way. So hard hard to know
[20:04]really. Um but I mean Beth, your your question to both of them was essentially the one that that Vladimir Zilinski posed. >> Yes. >> To to Yaim when when they she interviewed him earlier this week. you
[20:15]know, now's the time to help us. >> Yeah. Look, the the thing was I I had I had a section on Ukraine in my my question bank. And when Trump said
[20:26]Putin's let me down, that really caught my attention because I thought he's been apologizing for Putin. He's saying he can do business with Putin. And then he stood up there and said, he said, "It's
[20:37]been much harder. I thought I could do business with Putin and he's he's let me down." And I thought actually is this is this a moment perhaps where Put where where Trump finally begins to turn the
[20:48]screws on on Putin? Is he going to do it? And so that's why I I pivoted to that. >> I don't think sorry to interject. I don't think it is the moment. And I'll tell you why. I think he a he said this
[21:00]before and then pivoted away. But also I think what he's now doing is he's got an excuse to blame someone else. Uh he's now saying, "You guys in Europe, I've just discovered you're still spending
[21:11]loads of money buying Russian oil. What the heck's all that about? Stop doing that. And until you stop doing that, I'm not going to help out." And as we know, uh people like the Germans and others are far too reliant on Russian oil to
[21:23]stop buying it overnight. So that's a delaying tactic. Trump and Putin are both essentially delaying. >> You know, there were two questions that it was, was it a mistake to invite him
[21:33]to Alaska? Did you regret that? and he said no. Okay, that was interesting. He's like, no, I still think it was worth getting into the table. But then when it came to the matter of actually
[21:43]are you going to uh impose these sanctions that the Europeans are pressing for you to do, he then retrenched because actually he does have it in his power to turn the screw on
[21:52]Putin and he retrenched and he used that as a way of reiterating what he'd said on Truth Social as Mark was saying about actually it's on NATO allies uh and and
[22:03]actually I asked the prime minister that about whether he agreed with with Trump on that and he seized upon that actually to to pivot away uh from actually answer
[22:13]any questions on what he's actually going to do about it. And I tried to shout at him as he was leaving like what about President Putin and off he went. So I I think for the Europeans I would
[22:24]imagine that there's a feeling of weariness really that they're still despite the efforts of maybe King Charles behind closed doors or Karma behind closed doors. How much are they
[22:35]really moving Trump, you know, >> and how much they were talking about peace, the Second World War standing together. I mean, we had a day of pageantry on Wednesday and then we went to a day of pure politics on on the
[22:46]Thursday and there's so much from that press conference to chew over. But what you were saying uh Mark about the the way in which Trump says something then pivots and then says something then pivots uh is something that struck a
[22:58]chord with one of our listeners Justin who messaged to say Trump is here to be lauded and he really does look like a kid at a theme park. Whether Starmer comes away with anything substantive is
[23:07]in doubt. Also Trump is so fickle that he is Britain's great friend in the moment but in the weeks and months to come that sentiment could be very different. So there's already just, you
[23:17]know, less than a year into his second uh presidency, uh there's this sense that yeah, he'll sign any old bit of paper, but but will he actually honor any agreements that he signed?
[23:28]>> There was a funny moment when he p when he when he signed the uh the deal today. Uh and that incidentally was was, you know, if you'd asked me a week ago at the uh at the state visit, are they actually going to sign anything, I'd
[23:39]have probably said no, but clearly they did. They signed a massive tech deal. Um, but as he signed it, he looked up and said to his commerce secretary, "Howard, should I sign this?" Then to his treasury secretary, "Scott, it's
[23:49]your fault if it's a bad deal." It gives you a sort of sense that that he doesn't really know what he's signing. Someone's told him to sign this. It sounds good. The numbers are big. There's loads of um business guys with loads of do'ach in
[24:01]the room. Uh he's a happy man. And by the way, it's a palace as well. Great. >> Yeah. And look, um, just just from another source in government, you know, in terms of the prime minister needing
[24:12]this moment, this is someone that knows him very well. They say he spent the past two weeks having to clear up for others. Today, he got to remind people what he is in it for and what he's good
[24:22]at. Point one. And in terms of the investment, this is a this government source saying it's massive and it is real money. It's not promises of investment. It's actual investment. And
[24:33]if you think about what we've talked about in this pod the whole time about trying to reboot the economy and the struggles they're having and the economic difficulties they're in. I mean I think we should give it a moment to
[24:45]say they've actually secured a lot of inwood investment for both big tech uh computing infrastructure and nuclear. Uh and that that that is what they promised
[24:56]they would do. So I think after a torid couple of weeks, they actually have a little bit of license here, don't they? To feel, you know, maybe even give themselves this tiny pat on the back.
[25:07][Music] Now, we said we should get into Jimmy Kimmel's Big American talk show being pulled off air after his comments about Charlie Kirk. It got talked about in the
[25:19]press conference. And even if you've never watched him, this is a story worth knowing about because it matters about freedom of speech in the US. It's a massive moment here. Mark, can you
[25:30]explain it for us? >> Yeah. Well, Jimmy Kimmel, many of many many listeners, viewers will have heard of him. They know exactly who he is. Some may not. Uh he's massive. Absolutely massive late night talk show
[25:41]host, comedian on ABC. Uh and his show has a a sort of a familiar theme and it is a Trump basher. I mean there's no doubt about that he's not a fan of
[25:51]Donald Trump. Uh the view the ratings are high and he does like this monologue at the beginning and the monologue uh
[25:58]which has got him cancelled uh was about MAGA's response to the death of Charlie Kirk. And he said that the MAGA gang as he called them were trying to score
[26:10]political points uh from Kirk's murder. Uh he said that they were quick to blame the left before much was known about the shooters motives. uh and he effectively
[26:20]uh said that he he sort of called into question whether the shooter whether the gunman was actually uh from the the liberal uh left. Uh that clearly sent
[26:30]the right in America into a tail spin. What was really interesting that America's version of offcom uh got involved um and basically said we're looking at maybe suing um Kimmel for
[26:42]these comments. Guess what? uh Ofcom in America, it's not independent and the boss of Ofcom is a Trump appointee. So, no wonder he was upset. The other side
[26:52]of politics, clearly they are uh very angry. California Governor Gav Gavin Newsome posting on X that the GOP, the Republican party does not believe in free speech. They are censoring you uh
[27:03]in real time. This is a massive story in America. It it was even mentioned in checkers behind us today. >> Jimmy Kimmel is not a talented person. and he had very bad ratings and they should have fired him a long time ago.
[27:14]So, you know, you can call that free speech or not. He was fired for lack of talent. >> I think one of the things that was awful about what Kimmel said is he accused Trump of crying crocod crocodile tears
[27:26]over uh Charlie Kirk um and just weaponizing it, which I just think is completely wrong. And the thing is that free speech doesn't work as a partisan
[27:35]issue. You you've got to defend your right to free speech, but you've also got to defend the right of free speech of people that you find absolutely abhorrent. And there's no point everyone
[27:46]branding each other hypocrites when it comes to free speech. I mean, obviously, you've got to carve out a legitimate position which bans incitement to violence, incitement to racial hatred,
[27:57]you know, supporting terrorism or encouraging public disorder. But otherwise, you've got to defend everyone's right to free speech. And I ironically that's what Charlie Kirk was
[28:08]actually doing when he was tragically shot shot down. And I'm not going to say but he was shot which is awful but I don't agree with his views. I I think
[28:19]you've just got to be full on it was terrible that he was shot. He was def he's a debater that believes in free speech. That was absolutely terrible. And at some point, people from all sides
[28:30]have got to get together and support free speech. Not weaponize it, not use it as a stick to beat each other, not call each other hypocrites, but all recognize we all must support free
[28:42]speech. Otherwise, you know, our democracies are massively undermined. And I think what Jimmy Kimmel said was absolutely awful. Can I ask you a question mark? Because I was reading
[28:53]some uh analysis opinion in the US press today about it and they're saying the issue with Trump is he says he supports free speech but actually what he supports is favored speech and what he
[29:04]actually supports is speech that he agrees with and actually it's quite chilling and and even when you were talking about the US press call there and how he calls uh journalists that one
[29:16]of them you were saying will just make a statement about the brilliance of Trump. I mean, this is this is going very deep into the structures in America, right?
[29:26]>> Well, I funnily enough, I said this uh on on the telly earlier on uh we we were talking about it and I said that last night and I I ended the day and it was
[29:35]all the sort of the the the semnity and pomp and of yesterday at Windsor and I and and Trump sort of lording it around Windsor and I I just thought cuz I just come over from America. I mean, it's it
[29:47]is very on edge over there after the murder of Charlie Kirk. The country is is is it's I mean, I know everyone always says America's always been divided. It feels so bitterly divided at the moment. There are ICE agents on the
[29:58]streets pulling people off off the streets if they've got a brown skin. Uh that there is, you know, all this stuff o over free speech that the the National Guard are on on the streets. It does
[30:09]feel like a country on edge. And yet all that was forgotten yesterday. And and clearly, you know, that's not particularly helpful for for Karma at all. He doesn't that's like la noise. Uh
[30:20]I'm just dealing with my my trade deal here. >> Well, it's never going to get solved by people adding up the victims on both sides. You know, the terrible killing of uh representatives, democratically
[30:31]elected representatives in Minnesota, the absolute awful assault on na Nancy Pelosy's husband, now the killing of Charlie Kirk. I mean, you you can't
[30:41]establish righteousness by virtue of which side you're on. You've got to all be on the side of free speech and supporting each other's free speech. Well, look, um I think the matter of
[30:53]free speech is something that we're going to be coming back to, not least because of the uh rally in London over the weekend in which Elon Musk uh beamed
[31:02]himself in uh and used language that the UK government certainly thought was uh crossing the boundaries. Uh >> I'm surprised that didn't come up in the
[31:13]news conference. Actually, talking of free speech, you you you ladies don't free flowing speech. You don't stop >> men telling me to stop talking. The bloody story of my life. It's such a
[31:23]terrible trope. Men saying that women speak all the time because research has shown that actually. >> Oh dear. What have I done? >> The research has shown that men speak
[31:35]much more than women, but men always say women speak more than them. >> That is all that we've got time for. Beth, you've got some television to do. You've got to speak to the nation. Uh we are going to end our special
[31:46]relationship here. uh our reciprocal agreement has has uh run out. Uh we've run its course. Mark, thank you so so much for joining us and thank you for letting us come and join you.
[31:56]>> No, thank you for having me. I I will uh check my bank account for the transfer fee uh which I hope will be there. Um if you are new to Trump 100, then uh it's lots of fun. Uh we are on Spotify,
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