[0:00]the reason why I wanted to talk to you is I am conducting an ongoing investigation for quite some time now on a subject by the name of Jeffrey Epstein friend of mine told me about Jeffrey she
[0:11]said uh like she was helping him find I hope you I hope you do something about it from chilling police interviews
[0:21]to heartbreaking testimony to significant correspondence we're breaking down some of the major Revelations from the recent materials release in the Jeffrey Epstein case
[0:33]we're going to go back almost 20 years ago to understand how this whole investigation and legal Saga started welcome to sidebar presented by law on
[0:42]crime I'm Jesse Weber Jeffrey Epstein he may have died almost 5 years ago now but he is still
[0:53]very much in our national discourse and especially now why because something very big just happened a trove of materials have been released regarding
[1:05]when the deceased Finance year was first investigated by the Palm Beach Police Department back in 2005 and when evidence was presented to a grand jury
[1:14]in 2006 and I will tell you it is something it definitely sheds a light not only on these incredibly disturbing allegations but also why this case
[1:26]proceeded the way that it did and what I mean by that is I have to give give you the backstory on how this played out so back in 2005 the Stepmom of a 14-year-old girl
[1:37]came forward and came forward to Palm Beach Police saying this teenager may have been abused by an older wealthy man so the police they begin looking into this they conduct interviews and they
[1:48]come to find out that Jeffrey Epstein had allegedly set up a system to recruit girls to provide him massages and sometimes to engage in sexual activity
[1:59]and it seems the girls would not only be paid for services that they provided but also paid to bring more girls to Jeffrey Epstein in fact at one point he
[2:09]allegedly told one victim the younger the better so the case was brought to the state attorney's office the prosecutors a grand jury was impanel where the jurors heard all sorts of
[2:20]evidence and testimony from detectives and two of the alleged victims and that grand jury ended up indicting Jeffrey Epstein in 2006 on felony solicitation of prostitution
[2:30]and that's it yes now there have been a lot of arguments about this why didn't prosecutors pursue more aggressive charges why was this the only one for example could you have brought him up on
[2:42]rape or sexual assault of some kind right well apparently palom Beach Police Department chief and the lead detective were particularly troubled by this prosecution so what do they do they
[2:54]refer the matter to the FBI and they bring it to the assistant us attorney so now we're talking about the Fed and in the end in 2008 Jeffrey Epstein
[3:03]and prosecutors worked out a deal where he pled guilty to State charges of solicitation of prostitution and procurement of minors he's sentenced to
[3:13]18 months in prison but only serves 13 and by the way spends most of the time in a work release program where he can leave the jail to work at his office and then go back to jail at night yes he had
[3:25]to register as a sex offender too but the big thing here he was a able to avoid more serious State charges or even federal charges and that is why this is
[3:36]called The Sweetheart deal this whole sweetheart deal that's been talked about in the media now the controversy surrounding this deal led to Alex aasta
[3:46]to resign in 2019 as the then acting labor secretary because he was the US attorney back in 2008 when this deal happened and the Department of Justice
[3:55]even concluded that aosta used poor judgment in signing off on this deal then what do we know happened 2019 Jeffrey Epstein he's arrested again this
[4:06]time on New York Federal sex trafficking charges winds up dead in his jail cell before going to trial authorities concluding he took his own life as for his accomplice his girlfriend his Madam
[4:16]galain Maxwell who helped Epstein procure young girls to assault she was found guilty of sex trafficking related crimes and sentenced to 20 years in
[4:26]prison now the Palm Beach Post has been fighting for the release of these grand jury materials and the investigation for years for years and they weren't making
[4:37]significant Headway and look from a legal point of view that makes sense because as a matter of law grand jury proceedings they're generally always kept secret they're closed to the public
[4:47]however the Florida legislature they pass a bill that was signed by Florida Governor Ronda santis and this authorized the release of these grand
[4:57]jury materials Governor DeSantis said at the time quote the public deserves to know who participated in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking nobody should be protected from facing Justice due to
[5:08]their wealth or status and those who harm children should be exposed and punished to the fullest extent of the law so what just happened judge Lewis
[5:17]Delgado released these materials the investigative materials the grand jury materials calls Epstein quote the most infamous pedophile in American history
[5:28]the details in the record will be outrageous to decent people the testimony taken by the grand jury concerns activity ranging from grossly unacceptable to rape all of the conduct
[5:38]at issue is sexually deviant disgusting and criminal and honestly it truly is which again makes it very confusing why
[5:48]Epstein was prosecuted the way that he was and why he was offered this kind of deal when you could make the argument the evidence suggests he could have been brought up on more serious charges back
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[7:02]law enforcement started conducting interviews with alleged victims those who say that they were minors or young women when they were subjected to Jeffrey Epstein she told me about this
[7:12]guy I was short on rent one month and she told me that all I had to do was give him a massage and he would give me $200 and that's pretty much it and I thought about it I was like I really
[7:23]need the money I've asked my parents they can't give me the money I asked everyone I knew and I went there with her I gave him massage and it was it was a weird situation okay have you have any
[7:34]formal massage training no did you provide the massage with uh clothing on all I had was underwear on she did not tell me that I was absolutely surprised
[7:43]when I got there I didn't nothing okay did she tell you that you would have to provide the massage with just underwear no and look we won't go into more
[7:54]details about what happened here but here's the thing as you will see these accounts of multiple people are consistent friend of mine told me about
[8:06]Jeffrey she said uh like she was helping him find girls we're not friends anymore though so you can't mention my name to
[8:17]her um and she told me basically that you just go and you would give him a massage
[8:25]for about an hour and for $0000 and obviously that sounds a little too good to be true and as I found out it wasn't
[8:37]quite what she said he just he has the girls take off their clothes and give them a massage and how old were you when you first
[8:51]started um obviously were right I not sure if it was before or after after my 17th
[9:02]birthday so I was either 16 about to be 17 and unfortunately there's more the stories match up they're consistent the same
[9:13]purported method again this idea of not only recruiting these girls and women but also having them doing the recruiting the reason why I wanted to talk to you is I am conducting an
[9:24]ongoing investigation for quite some time now on a subject by the name of Jeffrey Epstein mhm okay and through my investigation I do know that you have some knowledge and you've been at the
[9:35]house and that's what I want to talk to you about okay and again I'm saying you're not in any trouble okay you're not a suspect you're a witness possibly
[9:45]of a victim but I do want to talk to you okay all right before we before we start can you raise your right hand for me yeah you somly swear to tell the truth the whole truth nothing about the truth
[9:56]so help you got yes okay how did you meet Mr Epstein through a friend through a friend mhm um what school were you going to when you I was I wasn't in yeah
[10:07]I wasn't in school when I met him I had already graduated you already graduated yes okay how old are you now 19 19 um how long ago did you meet him
[10:17]about a year I'd say maybe a little over a year right around a year okay again I I've talked to a lot of girls 30 almost
[10:27]40 girls so far and um so I I know pretty much when he takes you to the house what what transpires okay um I know it might be a
[10:39]little embarrassing or whatever but don't be like I said i' I've talked to many people already and are pretty much familiar what as to what happen in the house okay walk me through this when you went
[10:55]to his house for the first time okay um she took me over to the house she waited downstairs I just went up gave him a massage and that was it I
[11:05]mean okay she approached you to to to do work yeah she's like oh you know do you need to make any extra money I'm like yeah she's like okay I can give you know like $200 it's this older guy in pal
[11:15]Beach he gets a lot of massages from girls you know that was really that's all she told me that's what I I mean okay are you a licensed therapist or mass therapist I'm not licensed no and
[11:26]like I would always tell them you know what the situation was cuz like I wasn't told the whole at first I was not told the whole situation what did tell you you would have to do he told me I would just take my shirt off and give him a
[11:37]massage and that would be it top or with the top top okay so that was it okay was there ever a time that you ever
[11:50]told him um hey I'm not comfortable with that the first time he asked me if I would take my jeans off and I told him I wasn't comfortable with that so as we listen to this you can again see where
[12:02]the criticism came from regarding the deal that Epstein got again the argument would be given what law enforcement was finding out why wasn't Epstein more
[12:12]aggressively prosecuted either on a state or federal level now aside from the law and we can talk a lot about that we have to remember the human element of
[12:21]this because think about how tough this is for them to recount these experiences and did anything else happen I'm sorry I don't like thinking
[12:35]back on the L so okay first of V I know this is hard on you okay I know that you put this behind you a lot of people that I've
[12:45]talk to have MH okay MH you're not the only person that he's done this to okay and by the way listen to how these encounters would end at least told by
[12:55]one of these Witnesses he just got up and walked out he's like okay you can put your clothes on and he closed the door yeah and you were paid how much um $200 he asked me for my phone number
[13:07]just in case he wanted to call me and come back and they called me and I never called them back they called me with a bunch of different phone numbers and I picked up one time and after that I
[13:18]never picked up again cuz I didn't know who the numbers were and they left me several messages and I never called him back very eerily similar accounts that we
[13:28]have heard about Jeffrey Epstein and we heard more about this during the galain Maxwell trial about Recruitment and contact and staying in touch with these
[13:37]victims and investigators discovered that Epstein and his assistants and galain Maxwell they would coordinate massage times with these girls often
[13:47]multiple massages a day and then those girls would be asked to recruit friends especially if they attended local high schools one victim told police that she
[13:59]always gave other girls a heads up about what would be happening inside the Mansion because she says the acquaintance who brought her for the first time wasn't completely truthful about Epstein's
[14:10]expectations now there was a lot more in this evidence release one of the things that we saw was how police served a search warrant on Epstein's Palm Beach
[14:20]property [Applause] police offers in palish County Florida
[14:32]being the premises occupied are under the control of Jeffrey Epstein white male date of birth 1253 and there is now being kept in the above described premises certain
[14:43]computers including electromagnetic Optical electrochemical or other highspeed data processing device performing logical arithmetic or storage functions any
[14:54]notes Ledger personal phone books Rolodex books and any form of record data I'm sorry of recording data of records and payments telephone numbers
[15:05]and names of girls that have frequenc at the house the laws prohibiting sexual activities with certain minors second degree felony lud lascivious molestation the second degree felony this is your
[15:16]copy when we are included I will leave a uh list of what items were taken okay I would ask that you don't answer
[15:26]your telephone I know that uh the um the gentleman had his uh was having a conversation with Mr estein at the time
[15:37]um so I'm sure he's trying to call to find out what's going on he will be told what was going on um as soon as we're done and what do we see in these walkthrough videos of the search of the
[15:47]property aside from just how creepy it is to see the inner workings of Epstein's residents there were odd things like a framed picture of galain
[15:57]Maxwell and picture and photos of naked women which by the way was corroborated by the account of an alleged victim the whole situation was odd when when we
[16:08]first pulled up before we even got out of the car she said don't say anything don't speak unless you're spoken to so I got I got like I was like you know what what the hell are you getting me into
[16:19]you know what I mean so I I didn't say anything and the whole there was um pictures there were pencil drawings of
[16:28]nak people I don't know if that's that's all that looks really weird and by the way going back to something did you hear how that investigator in the search
[16:38]warrant video said to not tip off Epstein about what was going on well we heard something very similar in one of these interviews cuz he is aware of the
[16:49]investigation I did a search for him in the house um were you aware that he had cameras in the house yes um wasn't sure where I knew he had some on the outside of the house I wasn't sure where the
[17:01]other cameras were okay but he is aware of the investigation that's what I'm saying don't be surprised if someone from his
[17:12]um like a defense attorney or or a private investigator tries to talk to you okay um okay now moving on in this material's release there was also a number of voicemails and audio
[17:23]recordings but they are incredibly difficult to understand the quality is so bad it's hard to make out what is being said but I'll tell you what we did get a clear look at and was one of the
[17:34]central aspects of this release and what the PM Beach Post seemingly really wanted to have exposed the transcript of the grand jury proceedings these were the jurors who ultimately indicted
[17:46]Jeffrey Epstein but remember only on that solicitation charge but let's see how that questioning of these Witnesses these Witnesses who said they were subjected to Jeffrey Epstein let's see
[17:57]how that questioning played out I'll give you an example and this is going to be between the prosecutor and the witness so part of the transcript reads quote question how were you met when you first went to his dressed when you first
[18:09]went to his house answer um I was wearing a regular t-shirt My Hollister shirt and just some jeans okay what kind of underwear did you have on a thong and
[18:19]the bra what type of bra it was a bra okay nothing special uh-huh were you comfortable getting down to your bra and underwear uh-huh like I was kind of hesitant I was like sitting in the room
[18:31]for until Jeffrey came in like thinking like to myself well like what's going on like I don't know I was kind of hesitant but then I just didn't care cuz I wanted $200 cuz I wanted to spend it so I just
[18:43]didn't care or how about this particularly creepy exchange with a witness who says she was 17 years old when she had this incident with Jeffrey Epstein quote when you were massaging
[18:53]him did he say anything to you make any comments um polite conversation okay what kind of things was he asking you just about school and what I was going
[19:02]to do when I got older he knew you were in school yes not to mention that she testified when she turned 18 she claims
[19:12]Epstein gave her bras and panties she also testified how he had intercourse with her before she turned 18 and by the way Jeffrey Epstein was in his 50s when
[19:23]this was going on now to give you an idea of how difficult and how complicated this whole event in their lives was listen to this Exchange in
[19:33]front of the grand jury question you appear uncomfortable testifying today yes yes this morning when we first met when you got here what did you ask me if there was any possible way I could not
[19:44]testify were you told you wouldn't have to testify that was my understanding I expressed that I did not want to and I was told that I would be contacted later on with more information on that and
[19:55]other subjects were you ever contacted no till you got the subpoena from me yes okay do you want Mr Epstein to be charged with any crimes in relation to
[20:05]what went on between he and you honestly I don't really know but going back to the testimony of this 16-year-old girl who says she was 14 when Jeffrey Epstein
[20:15]sexually abused her again we believe he was in his 50s at the time she testified again when she was 14 how another teen asked her if she wanted to make $200 so
[20:26]she said all she would have to do is give Jeffrey Epstein a massage she said she spoke with a female assistant of Jeffrey Epstein who asked her how old she was this girl's acquaintance had
[20:36]told her that she should lie and say she was 18 so she did because she said she wanted to make money and the acquaintance picked her up took her to Jeffrey Epstein's home in Palm Beach
[20:46]where a security guard met them both let them through the teen testified that an assistant took her upstairs to her room with a massage table and told her to get
[20:55]undressed down to her Bren underwear before Epstein came in in a towel now I'm not going to go into further detail of this encounter but Epstein had
[21:06]apparently offered $300 for something else now there has been criticism for this line of questioning that I'm about to get into because it seems the
[21:16]prosecutor is trying to undermine the testimony of this girl the transcript reads quote question so you didn't want to admit that you had allowed him to
[21:25]touch you answer yeah okay and he gave you $300 uh-huh you left your number so he could contact you again yes it goes
[21:35]on question do you drink beer at parties it says you have four piercings not anymore now I only well I used to have my belly button pierced it takes you have to be 18 in the State of Florida to
[21:46]have body piercings other than your ears how my dad how did you get those my dad took me to get my belly button pierced for my 14th birthday cuz like everybody was getting one so I begged for it and
[21:57]then I just got my nose pierced did you have to provide identification for your nose just to prove you were 18 no my dad my dad let me your dad okay so you didn't have false identification at the
[22:09]time no okay so you said yes to drinking and smoking smoking pot yeah or how about this exchange you're aware that you committed a crime now I am I didn't
[22:20]know it was a crime when I was doing it like I don't know I guess it was prostitution or something like that so on one hand you could say this is very problematic it's very troubling right you could say maybe the prosecutor is
[22:31]placing the impetus on her and yes we're talking about a child are we blaming her now there is another argument to this the other argument is as a prosecutor
[22:41]especially presenting evidence to a grand jury where the defense is not present they may have a duty to submit exonerating evidence to a jury evidence
[22:50]to show Jeffrey Epstein did not do this perhaps it's necessary to point out inconsistencies or issues in her testimony and we spoke with the current
[23:01]Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave aronburg who had another perspective on this my take on the question of why would a prosecutor try to intentionally tank their case is that I don't think
[23:12]they were trying to intentionally tank the case I think what happened was is that they were living in a different time they were living in a time when if you were an
[23:22]underage girl who engaged in sex acts for money you were seen under the law as a law breaker as a criminal as a prostitute nowadays thankfully the law
[23:32]has changed we have a different attitude towards it to understand that these young women these girls were victims as they are they were victims of
[23:42]exploitation of sexual assault but it was a different time back then they had different laws in the books and I think the questions reflected the the laws of the time and the sentiment at the time
[23:53]you saw it wasn't just the prosecutor who made a question that we now find offensive it was two of the grand jurors apparently well from there prosecutors
[24:03]then turn to the jury because here the jury was able to pose questions to the witnesses yes in a grand jury proceeding the jurors can submit questions to the
[24:14]witnesses and here it seems they were permitted to directly question these Witnesses and again the questions posed to these purported victims are yes a bit
[24:25]questionable one juror asks quote do you have any any idea deep down inside of you that what you're doing is wrong yeah I did oh do you and how about this one
[24:36]and you're well aware that what you're doing to your own reputation yes I do another juror asked did it ever occur to you that he could have hacked you up the
[24:48]answer yes I thought about it a lot and the juror's response you should give it a little further thought H now we did hear the opposite
[24:58]one young woman testified about how Epstein had sexual relations with her as a teenager and a juror asked her do you think he took advantage of your youth maybe but it was also stupid of me to
[25:10]put myself in that situation the juror responded perhaps you were too young to be up against a man of that age who had more control over you and that you know now the prosecutor also called in Palm
[25:22]Beach police detective Joe rer for questioning and he talked about an interview he did with a woman who said she was 17 when she met Epstein and that she started bringing girls over to his home so according to the transcript
[25:33]detective rer said quote she agreed to bring the girls to him and he told her the younger the better she brought a 23-year-old to massage him and he told her that she was too old and he wanted
[25:45]someone younger knowing that she went to a local school he recommended that she ask her friends during the statement she gave me approximately six names that she can remember that she took to the house
[25:56]that all went to the school pretty frightening stuff to think about now moving forward there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages of
[26:07]materials in this release there are police reports there are internet searches there is correspondence there are phone logs I will tell you what is really interesting is the communication
[26:17]surrounding the deal between Epstein and the government for instance this is an email from September 20th 2007 and it's from an assistant us attorney to Barry
[26:29]chrisher now Barry chrisher was the then acting Palm Beach County State Attorney and the email reads this quote hi bar I just left a voicemail for Cadet but figured I would send this to you too our
[26:40]plea negotiations are not going very well and I have given the defense a deadline of tomorrow afternoon to provide me with a signed agreement if we cannot reach such an agreement then I
[26:50]need to indict the case on Tuesday and I will not budge from that date during my last phone call with defense counsel he told me that they have changed their minds again and they only want to plead
[27:01]to State charges not concurrent state and federal I said this is fine but we will need a signed non-prosecution agreement between the defense and Us by
[27:11]tomorrow afternoon and an agreement at least verbally worked out with your office by Monday I just think that Mr Epstein is having second thoughts about spending time in jail and paying damages
[27:22]to the girls I know you're out tomorrow but if something comes up I will call Cadet and email Emil you thanks so it's messages like that where you're getting
[27:32]another inside look about what was happening behind the scenes but there is something else that has been getting a lot of attention within the hundreds of
[27:42]pages of documents there are photoc copies of Jeffrey Epstein's message books now remember this is the early 2000s so people yes they had cell phones but if someone had called the landline
[27:53]at the Epstein mansion in Palm Beach an employee would likely take down a message now some of the messages are of course pretty innocuous for example there's a message taken down in April of
[28:04]2004 seemingly from Epstein's brother Mark that simply says call me in New York longtime friend fellow millionaire Les Wexner the owner of Victoria Secret
[28:15]also seems to often appear in the message book this note just says call me Wexner by the way has been called out in recent years for his connection to Epstein who he gave control of basically
[28:27]all of his assets at one point in time now Wexner has said that he knew nothing of Epstein's indiscretions or alleged indiscretions and says that he himself was taken advantage of famed attorney
[28:38]Alan dtz who helped secure Epstein's so-called sweetheart deal also appears to have left a message that just says new info other famous names seem to pop
[28:49]up as well like magician David cooperfield and by the way victims who have filed lawsuits against Epstein and galain Maxwell have named David Copperfield as being present at get togethers at Jeffrey Epstein's homes he
[29:01]also allegedly asked one of the alleged victims if she knew about getting money for bringing Epstein new girls questionable alleged comment but he also
[29:11]allegedly performed magic for Epstein's guests because in another message the notetaker wrote magic David called others with more direct connections to
[29:21]Jeffrey Epstein supposed worldwide sex trafficking Network also show up multiple times in Epstein's call line for instance French model Scout Jean Luke Brunell has been accused of acting
[29:32]as a pimp for Epstein procuring young girls for him to sexually assault in this phone message Brunell appears to say I need a big favor I hope you will do it Brunell by the way was kicked out
[29:43]of a modeling agency back in the 90s this was following a report of decades long abuse against young women and girls but Epstein and Brunell started a new
[29:51]agency and when Epstein died in 2019 French authorities opened an inquiry into Brunell he tried to flee to senagal but was arrested at the airport and
[30:01]Brunell was found dead at a prison in Paris on February 19 2022 as he was being investigated for rape and trafficking of miners now knowing that
[30:13]brunell's other messages seem to be a lot more Sinister for example this note reads he just did a good one 18 years
[30:23]she spoke to me and said I love Jeffrey investigators also believe that Epstein and Brunell may have spoken sometimes in code this message reads
[30:33]quote he is a teacher for you to teach you Russian she is 2times 8 years old that's 16 not blonde lessons are free
[30:44]and you can have first today if yes call pretty disturbing if we think that is what it seems to be now alleged
[30:54]victims or recruiters would also leave messages this one for someone named Tatum reads has girl for tonight and this one is specifically addressed to
[31:04]glain Maxwell or Sarah believed to be one of Epstein's assistants and it's from Emmy quote she doesn't know at what time she must come this night for the
[31:14]massage now in this material's release there are also more investigative reports that detail what happened when girls wer in showing epsteen the appreciation that he seemingly expected
[31:25]this document reads quote she stated on the last time she went to provide a massage she was notified by Sarah to come to the house and work she stated she was now dating her current boyfriend and did not feel comfortable going she
[31:36]recalled it was approximately January 2005 she said she went already thinking that this would be the last time she went upstairs and went into the master bedroom she met with Epstein who was
[31:46]wearing only a towel as he entered the room to lie on the table she stated Epstein caught her looking at the clock on several occasions Epstein asked her if she was in a hurry she stated her
[31:56]boyfriend was in the car are waiting for her she further stated that Epstein got upset and she wasn't enjoying the massage she told him that she didn't want to continue and would not be back
[32:07]Epstein told her to leave as she was ruining his massage I asked her if she had any contact with Epstein's organization she stated she received $200 from the Western Union as a
[32:18]Christmas gift she advised she had no formal training in providing any massages she also stated she was 16 years old when she first went to
[32:28]Epstein's house so despite what seems like pretty solid evidence of sexual assault of minors and more the grand jury as I mentioned indicted Epstein on solicitation and as I mentioned that
[32:40]didn't sit well with some of the detectives on the case there's a difference here between law enforcement and prosecutors in fact the chief of police at the Time Michael reer sent a
[32:50]letter to a victim's father in 2005 and let's read it your daughter was the victim of crime which has been investigated by the Palm Beach police department and subsequently referred for prosecution to the Palm Beach State
[33:01]Attorney's Office you may be aware that Jeffrey Epstein was indicted on charges of solicitation of prostitution by state of Florida grand jury last week and turned himself in at the Palm Beach
[33:11]County Jail on July 23rd 2006 well I do not speak for them it is my understanding that is the full context in which the Palm Beach County state attorney's office intends to address the
[33:22]charges that involved the crime in which your daughter was victim the chief later says in the letter I do not feel that justice has been sufficiently served by the indictment that has been issued
[33:33]therefore please know that this matter has been referred to the Federal Bureau of Investigation to determine if violations of federal law have occurred
[33:43]and we know how that played out so with this material's release we definitely have a lens now into the inner workings of this investigation and Epstein and how this case all started and I am
[33:55]confident that this is not the last time we discuss more about Jeffrey Epstein as there is still an effort to peel back more layers of the story to get the
[34:05]truth of what really happened that's all we have for you right now here on sidebar everybody thank you so much for joining us as always please subscribe on Apple podcast Spotify YouTube wherever
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