[0:01]Mr. President, I just have a few more questions. I'll try to be as efficient as possible as we move through them. Uh, one is moving back in time just a little
[0:13]bit. In 1996, Maria Farmer, who is a confirmed Epstein victim, submitted information to the FBI that Jeffrey Epstein was sexually
[0:24]abusing minors. During your presidency, were you ever made aware of the information that Maria Farmer provided to the FBI in 1996?
[0:35]>> No. And >> no, >> thank you.
[0:44]I'm going to move back ahead to the year 2003. There's just one international trip that I don't think we've specifically discussed yet, and that was
[0:56]in November of 2003, a trip to, I think, Russia and China on Mr. Epstein's plane. >> Is that the last one I took? >> Great. So, I'm going to give you, I
[1:07]think for us, the last piece of paper for the day, which is the flight log for that trip, and we'll mark that as minority exhibit L. and I'll give you a
[1:17]moment to receive that. >> Wow. >> Thank you very much. >> I forgot I went through you went through Russia. You went
[1:27]through Russia when you were coming from nowhere. >> Yeah. >> And for your council, that's a total of five trips distributed between the
[1:37]fourth, fifth, 6th, and 9th here on this lot. Yeah, this was another one of our aid
[1:45]trips. Kazar was on it. >> Yeah. So, if you could just describe what you recall about the circumstances
[1:56]of this trip. Can you refresh my memory about what
[2:09]stops were actually taken? Yeah, the the the countries in question are Russia and China. I think the final stop was
[2:20]Beijing. I do not off the top of my head recall what each of these air airport codes are. It was brush Brussels to Oslo
[2:30]to to Russia to Hong Kong Changdu Beijing. >> Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Okay, let's do it again.
[2:41]uh Brussels to Oslo to the middle of Russia tommoevo to Hong Kong to Changdu to Beijing. >> Got it. [clears throat] >> We stopped uh in Europe
[2:56]and as I remember uh that we did something with a
[3:10]Brazil is the political the parliamentary capital of Europe and I think we did something with the EU and then Oslo was important because
[3:25]the Norwegians had funded a project for the that we did
[3:34]for them for the Clinton Foundation. for Russia and
[3:47]they ask us to try to develop a plan for Lenigrad and we did.
[3:58]>> What kind of plan, Mr. President? an age plant because Linen Linenrret had a very high age rate because it was near the
[4:10]ocean and people were coming in and out and I think that's what happened then. Uh, and then we went to China and
[4:24]I had been doing a a lot of work on China and it was
[4:33]very interesting because we the Chinese were eager to get into this
[4:44]and yet scared. It was very interesting because we could have been in you were in Russia and China, you could have been in rural America
[4:54]on AIDS at the time. They were they were very reluctant to discuss this and all hung up about it. And uh
[5:05]the Chinese with whom I had good relations with at the time were the national government asked me. They said they they like you out in the
[5:15]country here, but they had been there in 1998 and had a big trip. And he said, "We want you to go out there and be photographed on state television
[5:29]playing with children and talking to their families about AIDS." So that's what this whole trip
[5:36]was about. So, I was doing that and uh it was I think I'm almost sure that's it because and then we stopped in Hong Kong on the way out, right?
[5:48]>> Yeah. >> Hong Kong in Beijing. >> Yeah. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate that context. Is it correct that while on that trip you did not witness or become aware of sexual abuse of any kind?
[6:00]>> No, I we were all busy as crazy. I never saw anything like that. >> Thank you. We have a few events for which we don't have exact dates. I'll ask about them
[6:11]one at a time. CNN has reported that in July of 2003, Miss Maxwell co-hosted a fundraiser for your presidential library and Mr.
[6:22]Epstein may have attended. We don't know whether or not you attended that event. Do you have any recollection of attending that event? >> I don't I wouldn't be surprised. I don't
[6:34]remember anything about it. >> Thank you. An investigative journalist named Vicky Ward has claimed that Miss Maxwell accompanied you on a trip to India
[6:45]sometime in 2003, including to the Taj Mahal, and that you traveled for that trip on a private jet owned by billionaire Ron Burkel. Do you have any
[6:56]recollection of the trip I just described? >> No. But I want to be forthright here.
[7:09]I was the first thing I did in the way of public service after I left office
[7:20]was to try to help India deal with the aftermath of the Gujarat earthquake which happened literally four
[7:31]days after I gave up the White House. And it was and so I called the prime minister of India who was a friend of mine and he
[7:42]said I need help. I've I've got to build schools and hospitals and I have I can't do anything in the small towns and the
[7:52]middlesized towns and the rural areas. I only have the money to do something in the big cities. So I was I'm not saying I did or didn't do
[8:03]this. I have no memory, but I also want to I don't want to mislead anybody. We were doing tons of stuff
[8:12]and we needed to finance it. So, I can't say that I didn't do it. >> Thank you. In your 2024 memoir, you said that by the time Epstein was arrested in
[8:23]2005 that you had stopped contact with him. When do you recall being the last time that you had any kind of communication with Mr. The last time I remember was
[8:35]with him was sometime in 2003. >> Attorney Brad Edwards, that's an attorney who's represented many of Mr. Epstein's survivors.
[8:45]>> Excuse me, council. I I I believe there was a misstatement there. Uh the book says who in 2008 had been convicted and jailed in Florida, not 2005.
[8:55]>> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. Attorney Brad Edwards has represented many of Mr. Epstein's survivors. He
[9:05]claimed in a 2011 filing that he believed the Justice Department possessed some kind of correspondence
[9:12]from you from 2007 or 2008 on behalf of Jeffrey Epstein. At any of the various points when Mr. Epstein was under
[9:21]investigation. Did you or any of your representatives ever submit any correspondence to the Department of Justice on his behalf? >> I [snorts] have no memory of that.
[9:33]>> To your recollection or knowledge, did you or your representatives ever have any other communication with the Department of Justice regarding Jeff Dep?
[9:42]>> Not that I remember. No. CNN has reported that in 2007, Miss Maxwell co-hosted a fundraiser for Secretary Clinton's presidential
[9:54]campaign in New York City. We believe that Christina Aguilera may have performed at that event. Do you have any knowledge or recollection of attending that event?
[10:06]>> I don't. There was a an email released as part of the DOJ files recently that suggested
[10:16]you may have attended a party at Galain Maxwell's home in October of 2009 and that publicist Hegy Seagull as well as
[10:27]Jeff Bezos may have attended. My only question to you is whether you have any recollection of attending a party that I just described. >> Is this her home in New York City? It
[10:37]would be at uh Miss Maxwell's home in New York City. >> I have no memory of that at all. >> Thank you. >> It's been widely reported that in July
[10:51]of 2010, Miss Maxwell attended your daughter Chelsea's wedding in Reinach, New York, and that she accompanied billionaire Ted Wait, who was at least at the time a family friend of yours and
[11:02]you've described a little bit today. You of course were at that wedding as well. Do you have any specific recollection of interacting with Miss Maxwell at that
[11:13]wedding? >> No, I was I was an emotional wreck. I was just trying not to fall off the
[11:24]the little what do you call the pallets? the >> the disc >> the the no the wooden >> oh >> that we walked on the grass with
[11:34]>> I knew she was there but and she and Ted were there >> and what was your understanding of her
[11:42]relationship with Mr. Wait at the time? >> Well, I thought they were together and I think Chelsea and Mark did too. And
[11:52]there It's also been reported that in 2011 uh
[12:02]your adviser Doug Band instructed an aid to remove Miss Maxwell from all attendance related lists for Clinton related events. This was reportedly in
[12:12]the wake of Virginia Roberts Juy and allegations that she made at the time against many people including Miss Maxwell. Do you have any memory or knowledge of Mr. B's instructions that I
[12:23]just described? I don't. >> Thank you. That takes us through most of the known timeline of your relationship
[12:33]with Jeffrey Epstein. There's just one more topic I would like to cover. That is the Clinton Global Initiative. In 2007, Mr. Epstein's lawyers claimed
[12:44]that he was part of the original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative. [laughter] Would [clears throat] you agree with that characterization? >> No. Can you elaborate a little bit on
[12:54]why you would not agree with that? >> I wouldn't agree with that because the first time I ever discussed what
[13:04]became the Clinton Bowl initiative [clears throat] was with Doug Man and the rest of our small group on the way back from Davos.
[13:16]And Doug said he wanted to we should have a meeting like this in New York at the opening of the UN
[13:27]and we can make a lot of money because you don't have to go to Davos to you can meet all these people that'll be here.
[13:37]And I said I want to do it for an entirely different reason. It's fine if we make money, but the most important thing is that we give serious people a chance to
[13:48]go to meetings and actually make commitments to make positive change. I'm tired of going to meetings where everybody just blows and don't ever do a damn thing. So,
[14:00]if we can figure out how to do that, I'm interested. And then we got, you know, a team.
[14:10]There was to to operationalize it. It was Doug Ban, Mary Morrison, who had worked for me in the inner office at the White House,
[14:22]and a man named Ed Hughes, who was a wonderful young guy who stayed with us the whole 12 years. And they were working on how to stand up and
[14:33]do the mechanics of this. And my job was to try to get some people who would come
[14:45]that people would want to hear and see and try to, you know, make it exciting and make people actually want to make
[14:55]commitments. And so I think it was at that point that Galen may have gotten involved. I don't know.
[15:06]You can ask them about it, but I'm just telling you how it began. It began with Doug said, "Let's do this and make money," and me saying, "Let's do this and make commitments." >> I I think the question, Mr. President,
[15:18]what you've answered was was was Jeffrey Epstein involved in the >> at the time? No, not at all. >> Thank you. >> But I I do not know what I have.
[15:28]>> It has been publicly reported that in 2006, Mr. Epstein made a $25,000 donation to the Clinton Foundation. Do you have any specific knowledge or
[15:39]recollection of that donation? >> No, I saw it in the I saw that it was reported. I didn't I don't know. >> Thank you. With respect to Miss Maxwell, and you just touched on it briefly. She
[15:50]told DOJ last July that she was quote very central to the startup of the Clinton Global Initiative. Would you agree with that characterization? I would agree that she worked hard. I
[16:04]now know I didn't at the time because I was working on the other, as I explained, I was working on a whole other part of this. >> If I could ask you to limit your answer to your knowledge at the time.
[16:16]>> At the time, I did not know it. >> Thank you. The New York Times recently reported that in 2004, Ms. Maxwell arranged a $1
[16:27]million payment to an events company called Publicist Group. That the payment may have had some connection with the first Clinton Global Initiative
[16:36]conference in 2005. The reporting suggests that Mr. Epstein may have been involved with the payment or somehow aware of the payment. Do you have any specific memory or knowledge or
[16:47]recollection of the $1 million payment I just described? >> No. >> It's also been reported that in
[16:59]September of 2013 at a Clinton Global Initiative conference, Miss Maxwell M. Ms. Maxwell was recognized as a commitment to action partner for her
[17:09]work on behalf of the Terramar project which was an ocean conservation nonprofit that she founded in 2012. Do you have any memory or knowledge of that conference? >> I do.
[17:21]>> Great. Could you describe a little bit what you recall? >> Yeah, because this shows you how the CGI works not for Galain, for everybody. She
[17:36]the first she was still with Tedweight and he was still heavily involved in ocean work. So that was sort of an incentive. But she had organized this
[17:46]group whose objective was to in effect take two massive islands
[17:57]made of metal and junk out of the Atlantic. And they were floating around. One of them was had gotten to the Caribbean. They were floating around and all this metal. So that was what she was trying
[18:08]to do. It was a good idea and she was recognized for that. The fact that she was recognized was not particularly remarkable. Everybody who makes a commitment, goes through a photo line and gets
[18:22]recognized. >> Did you have any personal role in Ms. Maxwell's recognition at that event or that >> it might have been in her room by the
[18:32]time she got it, but it was No, they they put the recognition in that room. I remember this specifically because it was where all the ocean freaks were,
[18:43]all the people that cared about this that wanted to be. So that's why they wanted those things announced. >> By ocean freaks, you mean people who are passionate about the ocean? >> Yes. Thank you.
[18:54]>> I mean that. people who were passionate about doing this. It was great. And so I didn't think a thing about it. Do >> you have any additional knowledge or
[19:06]recollection related to Ms. Maxwell's role at that event? >> No. >> Reportedly in February of 2014, you had
[19:16]dinner with Ms. Maxwell and others in Los Angeles at a vegan restaurant called Crossroads Kitchen. That dinner may have been organized by your then deputy chief of staff, John Davidson, perhaps around
[19:28]20 guests. Do you have any recollection of the dinner I just described? [snorts] I had a lot of dinners like that in Los
[19:38]Angeles. So, I don't remember that specific one, but I whenever I went to Los Angeles, I attempted to have a dinner someplace in public with a lot of
[19:49]my friends just to keep in touch with them, keep going. >> As far as you can recall, when was the last time you had any form of
[20:00]communication with Ms. Maxwell? >> I think it must be a decade ago. It might be even longer. I don't know. But it was wrong time.
[20:10]>> Thank you.