[0:01]The attorney general told President Trump he's in the Epstein files. This according to the Wall Street Journal. And a judge just denied Justice
[0:10]Department access to Epstein grand jury transcripts. Not unrelated, at least in timing. The director of national intelligence accuses President Obama and his top officials of manipulating
[0:22]intelligence on Russia and the 2016 election to undermine Trump's first term. Kilmar Abrego Garcia ordered released in Tennessee. Another judge
[0:34]jumps in to block any Trump administration effort to deport him.
[0:39][Music] Hello everyone, I'm Major Garrett Washington. I welcome you to the
[0:51]takeout. Washington on this day lived in a time machine throttled back many years in one case to 2016 and frothy allegations of political crimes that
[1:03]might warrant prosecution or amount to an attempted coup. In another case, the years in question are 2005 and 2007 when a grand jury heard testimony in the
[1:13]investigation of Jeffrey Epstein that into human trafficking and sexual exploitation. Now, time machines are jarring things, and these years clashing in the here and now may be very jarring.
[1:24]It also may not be coincidental. Consider information released by the director of national intelligence about the Obama White House and the Russia investigation that haunted President
[1:36]Trump's first term could have been released anytime this year or for that matter during the first Trump administration when the wounds of that very investigation were so very raw. I
[1:46]know I was there. But they've only come recently, these disclosures. Here is how Telsey Gabbard put it today. >> It has to do with an outgoing president
[1:58]taking action to manufacture intelligence to undermine and usurp the will of the American people in that election and launch what would be a yearslong coup against the incoming
[2:09]president of the United States, Donald Trump. That broadside denied by President Obama came as the White House and congressional Republicans continue to rise in full public view about what to
[2:20]say and do about the Epstein matter and not incidentally how to plate a political beast base rather still demanding more answers about Epstein and
[2:30]his high-profile associates. The Wall Street Journal reported late today that Attorney General Pam Bondi informed Trump in May his name was found within
[2:40]the Epstein files under review. The White House swiftly denied the journal's report. Also today, a federal judge denied a Justice Department request for
[2:50]grand jury transcripts from 2005 and 2007. Now, this decision was not unexpected. It was always considered a long-shot gambit, one that looked
[3:00]outward instead of inward toward the very Epstein files in the Justice Department's possession. And the House Oversight Committee subpoenaed Epstein's accomplice, Gileain Maxwell, for a
[3:12]prison interview, even as lawmakers of both parties warned her credibility cannot be trusted. Trust in times of
[3:21]time machine politics. Very challenging indeed. following these colliding stories. Olivia Gazis to my right, Jake Rosen to my left. Jake, let's start with you. Pick up where I
[3:33]left off if you'd be so kind. >> Sure. So, so what we do know about this current situation and reporting by the Wall Street Journal was that in May, yes, there was some kind of briefing which happened all the time. This is what we do know. CBS News has not
[3:44]independently confirmed this Wall Street Journal report, but Cashell and Attorney General Pam Bondi uh meet with Trump all the time and they have talked uh about Epstein in addition to many other things. The Wall Street Journal reported
[3:56]that in this meeting they told him that his name would show up, which we do know again because in that first batch of those Epstein files, which we talked about a couple of weeks ago, in which a number of Trump aligned influencers came
[4:06]to the White House, they held up those binders that said Epstein files part one. Well, we do know that in that evidence, Donald Trump's name is there because it includes the public record of those flight logs, the fact that Epstein was a member at President Trump's Mara
[4:18]Lago Club for years before, as the White House said in refuting the story, he was kicked out for being quote a creep. Uh, in addition to a number of other things, the Department of Justice called this reporting a collection of falsehoods and
[4:29]innuendo uh to push a BS narrative that drives clicks. basically circling back to uh this alleged meeting in May in which Attorney General Bondi told President Trump that he was in these files that they were not going to
[4:40]release more because it includes child pornography in addition another a number of other sensitive details as to one reason why they would not release these and also that Donald Trump's name is one of potentially hundreds if not more than
[4:52]that of powerful people who are in connection or were in connection with Jeffrey Epstein >> and having your name appear in the files doesn't prove or disprove anything the
[5:02]White how sensitivity about this does seem to raise some eyebrows >> uh because it's kryptonite and it it won't go away at this point. We've been talking about this for some time now
[5:12]because they the Trump administration, Attorney General Bondi, President Trump have not uh put this fire out among their base. There are still questions that have been raised that have not been
[5:22]answered. This these attempts to unseal grand jury testimony are exceedingly rare if you can even get it done. We saw one judge strike it down in Florida. likely we see another judge who has already expressed skepticism in New York
[5:34]where both of these investigations were happening. Well, if you can't do that, which would be very potentially some juicy information. We don't know yet, but if you can't do that, what can you do? That's the other thing. Are if they're saying there's no more files,
[5:46]but we'll try to unseal some things. It's kind of beating around the bush versus really trying to extinguish this fire >> and hard to keep in context the president's remarks very recently that that all of this is a hoax. And he also
[5:57]said that he was not told by Pambani that he was no cause which again contradicts the very issue at hand here. >> Right. Jake Rosen, thank you very much. Olivia Gaza, so glad to have you here. Welcome to the table. So we had Tulsi
[6:08]Gabber, the director of national intelligence at the White House briefing room today talking about things she described as new and relevatory. There is a long evidentiary trail about what Russia did or didn't do in the 2016
[6:20]election. the degree to which the intelligence community under the Obama administration reported that with high confidence and whether those underlying methods and sources should have been given the credibility they were given. Pick it up from there if you'd be so
[6:32]kind. >> Absolutely. So, as you say, Major, there's both a lot to break down here and not that much because now the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has declassified upwards of 150
[6:42]pages of files related to this assessment dating back to 2017 uh about Russia, what Russia did or didn't do in uh in the 2016 election. Well, exactly.
[6:52]Uh on the other hand, nothing that she has what that what she has released has fundamentally altered what the assessment has always been that uh the Russian operatives at the instruction of
[7:03]President Putin intervened in the 2016 election with a preference for President then candidate Trump and the key focal point that document that put it all on paper is the thing that she is looking
[7:14]to undermine. Today's release involves a report drafted by the Republican majority of the House Intelligence Committee, which in 2017 was a bitterly divided place, uh, which questions the
[7:25]analytic trade craft that went into arriving at that assessment that Putin preferred Trump. And it includes information about a highly sensitive human source talking to the CIA about
[7:36]what that source knew about Putin's intentions. Uh, the report, which was again drafted by Republicans, >> one of them, Cash Patel. >> Exactly. um uh questioned whether analysts
[7:48]understood enough about this source and what he was saying. Um but that very analysis was already done just weeks ago by CIA director John Ratcliffe. He came out with a report that looked at the
[7:58]trade craft said it shouldn't have been issued with high confidence because this came from one source. It should have been moderate confidence but again did nothing to reverse or undermine the finding itself. And this goes to
[8:10]something that is important in the world that you cover and to people who operate in the intelligence community. What is reported to principles like the president, the vice president, cabinet secretaries with high confidence, medium
[8:20]confidence, low confidence. And it's really a gnawing argument over those confidence levels, not the underlying thrust of what happened or didn't happen
[8:31]in 2016. Do I have that about right? >> Absolutely. And there's a cost to these kinds of declassifications, which current and former intelligence officials I've been speaking with today and Democrats on the Hill pointed out
[8:41]that when you declassify highly sensitive material that comes from human sources, that imperils both current human sources and would be human sources that the CIA is actively trying to recruit because why would you put
[8:53]yourself at personal risk, risk your life in some cases to provide information to the United States government if you see that it is then revealed summarily to the public for political purposes? Olivia Gaza, so good to have you with us, Jake. Also great to
[9:05]have you. You'll be back here with updates on the Kilmargo Garcia case. Guy, we're going to number two. All right, there's camera two. President Trump is set this very hour to sign artificial intelligence related
[9:15]executive orders at a summit here in Washington DC. Aaron Navaro joins me now from the White House. Aaron, talk to our audience about what's in these executive orders and what is the intent behind
[9:26]them. From what we know is that it is all part of what the White House has labeled quote an AI action plan. There are three main pillars. The first being promoting innovation through
[9:37]deregulation which from reading uh the actual plan itself is primarily just rescending a lot of the actions taken uh under President Biden in the last term regarding oversight regarding risk
[9:48]mitigation uh when it comes to artificial intelligence. The second pillar making it easier for the actual building of these data centers. uh semiconductor manufacturing within the
[9:59]United States. One thing that is listed in this plan is kind of getting rid of or severely reducing the permitting process to help speed up the actual manufacturing of what is needed to kind
[10:10]of boost AI production within the United States. And the third pillar, which is a bit more broad, lead in international AI diplomacy and security. It talks about working to export AI tech to countries
[10:22]quote willing to join America's AI alliance. So that's kind of just the overview of this AI action plan where President Trump will kind of unveil all of that at this event hosted by his
[10:33]quote AISAR David Saxs. >> And Aaron, part of the White House conversation is this is an economic imperative, but it's also a race against China. And I guess as I read it, this
[10:44]series of executive orders and actions is about accelerating the race and putting America ahead of China. >> That's right. That's why there's a lot of focus, at least when we heard from White House officials this morning about
[10:56]the whole deregulation process. Yes, it talked about things President Trump has done in terms of rescending what President Biden did, but it it also talks about, and this is kind of in line with the administration's actions so far
[11:07]in this term, getting rid of any regulations regarding uh climate requirements regarding diversity, equity, and inclusion. uh because this white house believes that will slow down
[11:17]the production process uh and keep the uh US behind China in terms of pace for AI innovation. Actually tucked within this AI plan is guidelines about how
[11:28]federal contracts should not be awarded to companies that have a lot of DEI uh bias and that the AI models that receive federal contracts should be quote free
[11:39]from top-down ideological bias. That comes as many conservatives have been complaining about AI systems leaning a bit far too liberal. >> With the details for us tonight on the north line of the White House, Aaron
[11:50]Navaro, thank you. >> California Democratic Congressman Ted Lou joins me now from Capitol Hill. He formerly served as the co-chair of the House Task Force on Artificial
[12:02]Intelligence. Ted, it's great to have you with me. Thanks for joining us. The Biden administration had a plan on artificial intelligence and it emphasized guard rails. The Trump White
[12:13]House has an artificial intelligence plan with action in its name. What's the difference? And are you worried about more action than guard rails?
[12:25]>> The AI action plan released by administration today has three pillars. I support the goals of these three pillars. It is to increase AI innovation
[12:35]in the United States to build AI infrastructure in the United States and to lead on AI internationally. However, there are specific provisions that are
[12:45]deeply problematic and have massive implementation issues. For example, they want to say that states are not going to get money uh if they start to do
[12:55]regulations on AI. I think you shouldn't be able to do that and you cannot do that. I think that's illegal. And then they want to basically say you can't have woke AI. I don't even know how you define that. I don't know if the
[13:06]administration has any idea how to define that. That provision really shouldn't be in there. The private sector developers know what they're doing with AI in terms of putting out these large language models.
[13:16]>> It also talks about this action plan from the Trump White House getting rid of bureaucratic red tape. There's going to be a lot of energy required to fuel
[13:27]the artificial intelligence revolution if that's what it's going to be. What concerns, if any, do you have about eliminating bureaucratic so-called red tape or
[13:38]regulations? >> Uh, I support permitting reform and I think that should happen. At the same time, this administration has
[13:47]unfortunately made dramatic cuts to renewable energies, to clean energies, and these are vital sources of energy we're going to need as we continue to
[13:58]have increased demands for energy. So, I urge administration to really look at not cutting the uh clean and renewable energies that Americans need.
[14:09]>> Exactly. Well, in that regard, Congressman, it sounds when you listen to the Trump White House that it wants to fuel artificial intelligence almost
[14:17]entirely through fossil fuels. >> So, the issue with that is it's going to increase energy prices for everyone. If
[14:27]you have more sources of energy, you're going to have more energy and that reduces the cost of energy for everybody. And so, the administration's actions are going to increase people's
[14:37]electricity prices. It's going to increase people's energy prices and that's something that I urge administration to re uh reverse. >> You also mentioned this a moment ago.
[14:48]The action plan from the Trump White House says only contracts will be given to those in the AI space who are quote free from ideological bias.
[15:00]What does that mean to you? What do you think it means to the Trump White House? And what are the implications going forward? >> Right. Right. Well, first of all, it's a first amendment issue. I think this provision
[15:12]will be struck on by the courts. I don't think it's enforceable. Also, it's so vague uh to really be essentially meaningless. So, let's say a large language model says that climate change
[15:24]is not a hoax. Well, is that a bias towards, you know, folks who are really conservative and think climate change is a hoax, or is that just a fact that climate change is real? Well, look, it's
[15:35]a fact that climate change is real. And so I just think that the administration trying to put ideological biases into these large language models is something that the courts will strike down and I
[15:46]think the administration should step away from trying to inject politics into AI. >> As you know, Congressman, the House has been tied in knots procedurally this
[15:57]week over the Epstein matter. Mike Johnson, the speaker of the house, accused Democrats of playing politics with this. I want to listen to have you listen to the speaker and then get your
[16:06]response. >> We're not going to allow the Democrats to use this as a political cudger. The Biden administration held the Epstein files for four years. Not a single one
[16:17]of these Democrats or or anyone in Congress made any peep about that at all. They could have brought a discharge petition at any point in the last four years. They chose not to. They waited until President Trump was elected. I
[16:27]think that's very suspect. >> Very suspect. Congressman, your response. Speaker Johnson is not telling the truth. I talked about the Epstein files during the Biden administration as well
[16:38]because at core this is an issue about young girls being raped and sexually assaulted. Attorney General Pam Bondi should not be protecting Jeffrey Epstein's legacy or
[16:50]his client list. In February this year, Attorney General Pam Bondi went on national TV and said that Epstein's client list is quote sitting on my desk right now. Where is that client list?
[17:01]Why won't she release it? And we got a hint today because the Wall Street Journal confirmed that in May of this year, the attorney general told Donald Trump that his name was in the
[17:11]unreleased Epstein files. So, we're just asking for transparency and this is bipartisan. There are numerous Republicans that support release of the Epstein files.
[17:22]>> We have you evaluate some California political issues. Do you want California to redraw its district lines because Texas is threatening to do so? last. >> Uh I think every Democrat state should
[17:34]look at mid decade redistricting. I do know there is a risk. Um so in 2018, Democrats got 40 seats in the election.
[17:44]One reason we got so many seats is because Republicans when they gerrymandered made a bunch of lean Republican seats that we all flipped. So if Texas does this, the only way they
[17:54]can squeeze out more Republican seats is to take existing Republican incumbents and make their seats less safe. If Texas does that, we're going to flip those Republican seats. And so I dare Texas to
[18:05]do this because we're going to have a blue wave next year. And it's going to turn into a wave that's going to have even more seats for Democrats if Texas tries to do this. >> Real quickly before I let you go, should
[18:15]Kla Harris run for governor? after six months. >> Uh that is completely a decision for her to make. Uh she was an amazing vice president of the United States, an amazing attorney general in California.
[18:27]I was honored to have worked with her when I was in the California State Legislature as well as in Congress and that is solely her decision to make. >> Congressman Ted Lou, California Democrat. I appreciate it very much,
[18:38]sir. Thanks. >> Thank you. Still to come, several rulings today in the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia. questions tonight. Will he be released
[18:47]from custody? And will ICE be able to rearrest him and possibly deport him? Plus, a parents plea. Omair Nutra was killed while fighting Hamas on October 7th.
[18:59]Now, his mother and father are emphatically calling for a ceasefire in Gaza and the return of their son's body, as well as the return of hostages, dead or alive. I'll speak with them next
[19:10]right here on The Takeout. [Music] Welcome back to the takeout. Parents of
[19:21]an Israeli American soldier killed by Hamas are pleading, and that is the proper word, pleading, for a ceasefire in Gaza and the release of their son's body, which is still being held by Hamas.
[19:33]>> We cannot accept the future in which our loved ones, our children are left behind in Gaza. We need a deal not only for the
[19:43]living, but also for the deceased, for the chance to say goodbye, for the basic dignity of bringing them home. >> Here are the outlines of this story.
[19:54]21-year-old Omare Nutra served as a tank platoon commander in the Israeli Defense Forces. After the October 7th attack, he was believed to be held in captivity until Israeli officials announced last
[20:05]year he was killed fighting Hamas militants during that massacre. His parents Ronan and Ora Nutra join me now. Thank you for coming in. I know it's been a very long day here in Washington DC. We'll get to the things you were
[20:16]pleading for in a moment, but the first questions I have for you are these, and they're very simple. How are you, and what do you want my audience to know about yourself?
[20:27]>> We're exhausted. You know, for us, uh, this hosting started on October 7th, which is 21 months ago, and, uh, we've been in a
[20:37]prolonged terrorist attack ever since. Um, you mentioned that our son is no longer alive, but we did not know that for 421 days. And the fact that we do
[20:49]know that is not because Hamas shared that information, but because there was new intelligence that was picked up. So, uh, Hamas is not only holding on to live hostages, they're holding on to deceased
[21:00]hostages and using them as bargaining chips and to terrorize the families. So, we're exhausted. >> What do you want my audience know about?
[21:10]>> Omar is a all-American kid born and raised on Long Island. He was actually born in Manhattan uh shortly after 911. Ona was pregnant. She had to cross the
[21:20]bridge 9 months pregnant on 911. Uh and little did we know that 20 some years later Omar will be involved in the biggest terror attack on Israel. Just
[21:31]shows you the connection between uh United States and Israel. And um he's he's just a fun loving person, a leader
[21:41]everywhere he goes. He was the captain of his volleyball, basketball, and soccer teams in school. He was the head of uh his youth group in Metro New York.
[21:50]He was just a fun person that led people by example. And age 19, he went to Israel. Even though he was accepted to college in Bingington University,
[22:01]upstate New York, he went to Israel for a gap year. He fell in love with the people knowing his heritage where both our parents are Holocaust survivors and
[22:10]he just uh heard his calling and he decided to enlist to the IDF to do the right thing for Israel to defend it. And of course, >> did you have any misgivings about that at the time?
[22:22]>> Um, you know, we had mixed feelings for sure. Uh, on the one hand, uh, we understood where he's coming from. We have a very big family in Israel. We're part of a very warm Jewish community and
[22:33]um, and he grew up like Ron said u knowing that Israel needs to be protected and he felt the calling. We were proud of him, but we were also concerned. Um, of course, you know, it's
[22:45]military service, but no one could have imagined the way this has been played out. >> You are, like many families, similarly
[22:54]situated, terrorized, griefstricken, but also trying to operate in a political space in which you have very little influence. You have your voice. >> What are you trying to persuade the
[23:05]Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and the American President, President Trump, >> that it's time, that it's urgent? you know, we've been uh living living in New York. We knew immediately when the war
[23:16]broke that we have a role and our role was to do whatever we can here in the United States and uh Secretary Blinken at the time heard from us the day after
[23:26]the attack. There are Americans, we didn't know the extent of the attack, but later on we learned 45 Americans were murdered on October 7. Not too many people know it and 12 Americans were
[23:38]kidnapped. and we started to go to the White House and to Congress and and plead put the pressure on the Qataris, on the Egyptians, on the Turks and work
[23:49]a deal between Hamas and Israel to bring out hostages. And to date, out of the 251 that were hostages, 200 almost came
[23:57]back. 50 still in captivity almost two years later, 20 of them considered alive and 30 among them considered deceased.
[24:07]It has to end. And I think the most important element that we are trying to tell everybody is that there will not be any peace in the Middle East unless
[24:18]those hostages start to come out. This is the key to unlock the situation in the Middle East. And a lot has changed. >> And who is the key to the key, Netanyahu or Trump?
[24:28]>> Well, you know, Netanyahu is a party in this. Hamas is a party in this. And we have the mediators, right? The United States is acting as a mediator here. So
[24:39]I think um President Trump has showed that he can uh change things in the Middle East since he got elected. 33
[24:48]hostages were released and we have um a lot of trust and belief that he can bring all the parties to the table and to make this happen and to bring this to
[24:59]an end. There was reporting a couple of weeks ago in the New York Times Sunday magazine, extensive reporting that the Israeli prime minister had prolonged the war even though there were opportunities
[25:09]to have hostages exchange and a ceasefire achieved. And part of that reporting suggests a very strong motive for the prime minister was politics maintaining his coalition government. How do you evaluate that reporting?
[25:21]>> Well, unfortunately, I think we experienced it actually a year ago exactly. We were invited by President Biden to be present in a cabinet meeting in the cabinet room together with Prime
[25:31]Minister Netanyahu, few families and President Biden. And at the time we told Prime Minister, your your army apparatus are saying that
[25:41]the material the the conditions have have matured to reach a deal. Everybody is saying it in Israel. Why aren't you reaching a deal? And his answer was so
[25:51]they say. at the time he didn't think so and that that's the right conditions either for the country or for him and there was not enough pressure from
[26:01]President Biden at the time or or enough leverage to to make make a move forward. I think today situation has dramatically
[26:10]changed obviously with Iran, Lebanon, Syria, everything in the region has changed but also the fact that President Trump is there and demands and puts I
[26:21]think we are coming very short to a deadline. This war needs to end and these hostages must come back and Prime Minister Netanyahu reads the map I think
[26:30]and I we are hearing that now he's motivated to reach a deal. Unfortunately, this is 650 days plus uh and it's very difficult for the families. And we lost 40 hostages that
[26:42]died in captivity. 40 of them. >> This will sound simplistic, but I mean it with everything. I wish you the best.
[26:52]Wish you peace. >> Thank you. I I think the whole region is waiting for this. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. A judge paves the way for
[27:03]Obrego Garcia's return to Maryland. It's Kilmar Obago Garcia's return to Maryland. But will he be released anytime soon? We'll find out more about
[27:11]this case next here on the Takeout.
[27:15][Music] Welcome back to the Takeout. Here is a
[27:26]look at what else we and now you are watching this evening. New York Republican Congressman Mike Lawler, and this was not a big surprise, says he will not run for governor and will
[27:36]instead seek re-election. President Trump endorsed Lawler's bid for Congress, and landing it for governor was always going to be a reach, and of course, Republicans want as many
[27:46]incumbents as possible to run for reelection as they seek to protect their slim House majority. Lawler thus checks that box. Meanwhile, Congresswoman Elise Stefanic, a Trump favorite, sounds every
[27:57]bit like a challenger to Democratic Governor Kathy Hokll. But Stefanic says she won't formally announce her intentions until after November.
[28:06]New horrors have been visited on the families of those killed in last month's Air India plane crash. A lawyer for the victim's family says in many instances,
[28:16]the wrong remains were returned to loved ones awaiting them. In one case, a casket contained the remains of several people. The Air India flight was bound
[28:27]for the United Kingdom when it crashed shortly after takeoff. A preliminary report found the plane's fuel switches had been cut off shortly before the crash, leading investigators to
[28:37]scrutinize the actions of the pilot and co-pilot. A judge in Tennessee today ordered the release of Kilar Argo Garcia from detention. And a short time after that,
[28:48]another judge blocked the Trump administration from taking any action to detain Garcia upon his eventual release. Rego Garcia was charged back in May on
[28:59]two counts of human smuggling. He pleaded not guilty. As I promised at the top of the show, CBS News Department of Justice reporter Jake Rosen would return for updates on this. Jake, what did we
[29:09]learn today? Well, after what you just read in which a judge in Tennessee ordered he would be released and a judge in Maryland who really was at the center of this legal dispute said that he must be ordered to be returned to Maryland
[29:20]for some period of time. Must be given 72 hours of notice before he's removed to a third country. Uh the magistrate judge in Tennessee actually gave Garcia and asked that they kind of threw us a
[29:30]hail Mary late last week which was a 30-day pause on any release. So there'll be a 30-day pause before he's potentially released from custody. Uh again this legal saga has played out in
[29:41]both minutucha and also large chunks kind of at a stop and go for the since March 15th when he was sent to uh El Salvador supermax prison. The next steps in this is the department of justice can
[29:52]obviously appeal this if they want him to stay. Likeliest option is that he stays in detention for 30 days. From that point on the department of homeland security and department of justice really have not been on the same page
[30:02]about this. Pam Bondi told me at the press conference in which they announced the charges. He'd be prosecuted char put in American prison if he's found guilty and then deported. That's not what's going to happen here. The Department of
[30:12]Justice put an ICE official on the stand last week in which they said if he is released from detention at all, he's immediately handed over to ICE who would then move to remove him expeditiously.
[30:23]>> The attorneys for Kimargo Garcia have said that human trafficking charges are flimsy. They want to fight them in court and the administration seems ever so
[30:33]less eager as days pass to actually adjudicate those charges in open court. >> That's absolutely right because the easiest option here is to just allow this to play out. We wait the 30 days, bring him back. There is no order
[30:45]removing him barring his removal to any country besides El Salvador and the Department of Homeland Security said they would do so. So whether that's Mexico or another country certainly remains to be seen, but it it is very likely as the Department of Homeland
[30:56]Security has said today in a statement after this decision, he will never walk as a free man in America again. And they will remove him. >> And very quickly, the attorneys for Kim Orgo Garcia said this was a due process victory today at least.
[31:07]>> It absolutely is. And it it restores at least for a temporary moment of time the status quo as if he were never wrongly deported in the first place, which goes back to the center of this. It was all his attorneys had ever asked for. >> Jake Rosen, appreciate it. Double
[31:19]hitting for us today. I appreciate very very much. Ukraine and Russia come back tenatively to the negotiating table doing so for the first time in two months. The peace talks and what prospect large or small there might be
[31:31]of some kind of ceasefire. Next here on the takeout. [Music] Welcome back to the takeout. Thanks for
[31:43]hanging out with us. Russia and Ukraine held their first peace talks in nearly two months in Istanbul today. Expectations are low, we should say, as Russia continues to pound Ukraine with
[31:53]missiles and armed drones. Previous talks between the two nations did lead to the exchange of prisoners and war dead. President Trump has promised new economic sanctions against Russia if
[32:04]ceasefire talks falter in the coming weeks. Former US ambassador to Ukraine, William Taylor, joins me now. Mr. Ambassador, always great to have you with us. Thanks for joining us. >> Thanks for having me. In a way, it seems
[32:14]to me the story of this war is both static and dynamic. Static in the sense the war continues, the pounding of Ukraine unrelenting. Dynamic in the sense there may be new
[32:26]calculations a foot. >> Major, it's also static in terms of the Russians on the ground. You know, we hear a lot about, oh, the Russians are pushing forward, pushing forward. It turns out they are pushing forward, but
[32:37]little, very little by little, at great expense. So that's kind of the static part as well. They're not pushing. They're not about to to break through. Um but you're also right that there's
[32:48]some change in this city. Um we see some new policies over the past week really week and a half that says that President Trump has figured out that President
[32:59]Putin is the problem for one of his one of Trump's main foreign policy initiatives. And that realization is leading to
[33:10]weapons flows. Yes, they will come through the offices of checks written by European nations flow through NATO. There's a transactional component to that. But what the Ukrainians care about
[33:21]is weapons and fresh resupplies and that looks like it's coming. >> It does look like it's coming and that's what we should care about too. We should care about the Ukrainians get the weapons they need to stop the Russians indeed to push them back. That's the
[33:32]important thing. And you're right, there's a new mechanism um whereby the Europeans buy them. Actually, the Europeans send from their own stocks, their own inventories uh into Ukraine right now. Uh so they don't have to
[33:44]wait. Um and then the Europeans turn around, ask the Americans, buy from the Americans the replacements. So that does that gets these weapons into the Ukrainians soon, which they need right now, in particular these air defense
[33:56]ones because the drones from Russia are multiplying. It used to be 200 to 300. Now it's sometimes 400 to 500 >> 6 7 800 a night. A night. Yeah.
[34:06]>> And so that is not only the physical risk, it's the psychic trauma of this unrelenting warfare visited upon Ukrainians nationwide. >> Sleep deprivation is part of exactly
[34:17]that. It's part of that psychological warfare. >> So there's also talk from the president himself and his administration about sanctions. There's this timeline that
[34:27]goes into September. Should we take that timeline seriously? Do you think more importantly Vladimir Putin takes that timeline seriously? >> Everyone has seen timelines come and go
[34:38]um in this administration. Um that said um there is some pressure um for the beginning of September uh for the
[34:49]Chinese and the Indians who would be the targets of some of these real sanctions. Um so the Chinese >> because they would deal with energy supplies which they are the big purchasers of >> they are buying Exactly. They're buying
[35:01]Russian oil. Um and that's what the target is. Um the target is not so much Moscow, it's India and China. >> It's to it's to reduce revenues going into the Russian economy and if they
[35:11]don't buy oil then so the Chinese and the Indians may say look we don't want to be hit by these sanctions. So we're going to put some pressure on Putin to come to the table and negotiate. That's again the pressure needs to be on Putin
[35:23]who is the problem >> and that has never materialized China or India doing anything even though China talks a very big game about sovereignty and internal controls and things like
[35:33]that. Not a word not a discouraging word from China about the Russia invasion. >> Not a discouraging word about the Russian invasion. They did actually have one discouraging word for Putin that is knock this talk out of knock off this
[35:45]talk about nuclear weapons and they did and they did. Chinese really doesn't want that. >> But that's an indicator of a potential lever that has yet to be used against Russia that might bring this to a
[35:56]different resolution, >> which is the goal of these sanctions. And as you know, Senator Graham and Senator Blumenthal have 85 co-sponsors. Where do you get that kind of support anti-Russia pro- Ukraine to be able to
[36:08]really seriously threaten them with these kind of sanctions? >> And all they're waiting for, Mr. Ambassador, is a green light from the Trump White House. Both the House and the Senate have said that. We're ready to go. We have it written. You just need
[36:20]to tell us. And they're waiting for that. Perhaps that worm will turn. >> Perhaps that worm will turn turn. Maybe he will. It certainly is good for President Trump to have that in his pocket. He can he can demonstrate to
[36:32]Putin that that the Americans are with him. American politics, American people are with him in terms of of supporting Ukraine and opposing Russia. >> Ambassador Taylor, thanks so much for coming in. I appreciate it.
[36:42]>> Thanks for having me. Democrats pounce as Republicans shut down the House floor to avoid a vote on the Epstein files. Can this controversy be a winning issue for Democrats? Can Republicans play it
[36:54]differently than they have so far? That's next here on the Takeout. [Music] Welcome back. Democrats, it would
[37:06]appear, are having a moment as they hammer Republicans over the Epstein saga. Well, on that point, here was New Jersey Democratic Senator Cy Booker.
[37:17]>> They're running out of town because it clear the speaker believes that their membership in the Republican caucus over there is so fragile
[37:26]that they cannot withstand simple debate discussion about the topic of Jeffrey Epstein. Joining me now at the family table, former communications director for Vice President Kamala
[37:38]Harris, Ashley Etien, and Kevin Sheridan, who was a senior adviser for the Romney Ryan 2012 campaign and many other political exertions, which we respect. Good to have you both here.
[37:49]Thank you very much for having me. >> So, uh, whatever Cy Booker says, I'm sure some in the audience would say, "Oh, that's just a partisan Democrat harping on Republicans in a moment of distress."
[37:59]But the House has to operate with a rules committee. When the rules committee can't function, the House floor can't function. House Republicans, Kevin, had some legislation they wanted to put on the floor that they thought
[38:09]was super important, but they couldn't because they couldn't get agreement among themselves on that vital committee because of the Epstein matter. So, this is having legislative ramifications.
[38:19]It's not just a political food fight. >> Yeah. Now, they're going away for like six weeks. Um, >> uh, >> with Tom Massie and Ralph Norman saying, "Mr. Speaker, that's not going to solve the problem. Well, they're going to go
[38:30]home and they're going to hear it from their constituents and their noisiest constituents are going to be all over the Epstein stuff. The problem that this is it's it's not a benefit to the Democrats though, other than to watch,
[38:40]you know, kind of Shod and Freud that the Republicans are a mess on this right now because the people that care about Epstein aren't going to go vote Democratic that they might not vote. Maybe you're getting something out of that,
[38:51]>> right? That's a separate problem, >> right? But they're not suddenly going to turn Democratic. I I know plenty of them. They're not going there. Um, but yeah, this thing has been handled very oddly. I'd be interested to see what
[39:02]they go home saying about it. Um, they're saying it's a everything from a Democratic trick to u, you know, there's nothing to see here. Uh, they've got to
[39:12]get that tightened up. I think more stuff is going to come out because it just has to. >> I mean, it came out today. I mean, the Wall Street Journal uh released >> well having a phone number in his phone
[39:22]doesn't make it, you know, that he was, as a lawyer would say, he was doing anything with kids on an island. >> But the reality is we don't know the answer to that. We've seen pictures of President Trump with Epstein and with
[39:33]young girls. So, I don't we're not going to I don't think anyone's >> If that was in any file, that would have come out under the Biden DOJ. >> I don't think anyone is going to buy Donald Trump and and AG Bondi's uh line
[39:45]on this issue anymore. And it's not just Democrats, to your point, it's Democrats and Republicans that have been asking the White House and the attorney general, "What are you hiding? Why are you protecting uh pedophiles? Why are
[39:56]you protecting billionaire sex traffickers?" And now we know why. Because Donald Trump is actually named in the documents. So since May, both Donald Trump and Pam Bondi have been lying to the American people about who's
[40:08]actually in this report, saying that he wasn't he wasn't in it, that Pam Bondi never told him that. We're now learning that all of this is a lie. And this is not going to go away for Republicans.
[40:18]And the point is, it's not to move uh Republican voters over to voting for Democrats, cuz I agree with you there. The point is to keep needling Donald Trump and raising the question, is he
[40:28]one of the alleged pedophiles? >> Well, those are your words, not mine. >> Be careful what you wish for. There's there's going to be more Democrats that come out than Republicans. >> And that's fine, but they're not sitting presidents that are lying about being
[40:39]listed in a document. >> We all know we all know that they were friends at one time. They had a falling out. He kicked him out of Mar Mara Lago. So, nothing's come out yet. Nothing ever will. >> Can I just say one thing though? I hate
[40:50]to I hate to disparrage the speaker, but it's also despicable and disgusting that Speaker Johnson, who claims to be a devout Christian, would look the other
[41:00]way on such a such a critical issue about exploiting children. I find that very deplorable, and I don't think he's going to get away with this. And I think Democrats are going to keep putting this
[41:11]whole issue around his neck. There's other political news I want you to chew over very briefly. Roy Cooper, according to Axios, is going to run for Senate in North Carolina. What does that mean, Ashley?
[41:21]>> Uh, believe it. >> I do believe it. Um, and I think he should. I think he's >> former governor, >> great candidate. He, uh, had made some incredible u headway.
[41:32]>> That's an important seat to flip for Democrats if they want to try to regain control of the Senate. And right now the good the good thing is that the the DSC is out fundraising >> Democratic senatorial campaign >> is outright raising the Republican
[41:42]senatorial campaign. So it's looking really positive for the Senate right now and Rory Coopa helps with that. >> And Mike Lawler as everyone pretty much figured was not going to run for governor in New York. >> Need to keep that seat, >> right? And at least Stefanic is going to
[41:54]even though she hasn't announced. >> Yeah. And she's going to win re-election presumably and then do it I think. And I think she'll be a strong candidate >> uh against Kathy Hokll. >> Yeah.
[42:03]>> Why? She knows that state. She knows that part of the state really well. I think she plays well in uh you know with Jewish voters in New York. And uh you know it's not going to be easy, but it's going to be a lot closer than than
[42:15]people think. >> I think it should hang back because he does you know on occasion does the Democrats uh um does Republicans a disservice by being critical of the president. >> Very quickly I want to play for you
[42:26]sound and we had some yesterday from Megan Kelly's podcast with Rahm Emanuel about Democrats and issues and language. Listen. Can a man become a woman?
[42:36]>> Can a man become a woman? Uh, not. No. >> Thank you. No. >> That's so easy. Why don't more people in your party just say that? >> Because I'm now going to go into a
[42:46]witness protection plan. >> All right. You got 30 seconds. 15 for you, 15 for you. >> Yeah. Will we ever see him again? This is a this is a great test case for the Democrats. Can you get away with saying
[42:57]that in the current Democratic party? I say probably not, but we'll see. >> Yeah. I don't want to speak to the question at hand that that Megan posed to him, but I think he's absolutely right that we make Democrats mistake we make is we make certain assumptions
[43:08]about voters that we actually don't have any intimacy any longer with our own voters that we're we're shooting in the dark when it comes to the issues that we think are important to them and I think this was one of those issues where we
[43:18]bled base vote uh base vote voters uh in this last election because of this particular issue. >> Ashley and Kevin Sheridan, thank you very much. I appreciate it. That does it
[43:28]for today. Tune in tomorrow. Why? For my sitdown interview with House Speaker Mike Johnson. I'll ask him about the Epstein investigation, looming recess, economics, immigration, much, much more.
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