[0:00]The House Oversight Committee today deposed one of the last people who saw Jeffrey Epstein
[0:04]alive, his prison guard Tova Noelle.
[0:06]She was one of two officers on duty August 10th, 2019, the day that the convicted sex
[0:12]offender was found dead in his New York City jail cell.
[0:16]Noelle and the other guard were fired and charged with conspiracy and falsifying records
[0:20]for failing to check on Epstein, but the Justice Department dropped the charges
[0:25]under an agreement that included her cooperation with an inspector general review.
[0:29]Secretary Congressman Suha Subramaniam was one of the committee members who deposed Noelle
[0:33]today behind closed doors.
[0:35]Congressman, thank you so much for being here.
[0:37]Really appreciate it.
[0:38]So Epstein's death was officially ruled a suicide.
[0:41]Do you believe that it was a suicide and what role do you think this prison guard
[0:45]played if any?
[0:46]Yeah, I do believe it was a suicide just based on this as well as other evidence
[0:50]we've gotten throughout this whole investigation.
[0:53]With that said, how is he able to commit suicide?
[0:56]That's the real question here.
[0:57]And one, it was because of negligence on her part, but really she was part of a system
[1:02]that was negligent to begin with.
[1:04]There was a culture of not doing the protocols that were in place to prevent something like
[1:09]this.
[1:10]And two, Jeffrey Epstein was given preferential treatment.
[1:13]It was very clear and something I learned even more during this interview today.
[1:17]He was getting a CPAP machine which had a long wire that he could have used to
[1:20]kill himself.
[1:21]He was getting an extra bed linen somehow and she doesn't know how and that's
[1:25]how he killed himself by hanging himself with the bed linens.
[1:28]And then he was also given lots of access to medications that no other prisoner was
[1:32]given.
[1:33]And so it's pretty amazing.
[1:34]And you'd think, OK, well, we've solved this problem.
[1:36]But no, we haven't because Galeen Maxwell right now is in minimum security prison
[1:39]with basically an assistant, you know, following her around.
[1:42]And so the same problems that are in the Justice Department then are in it today.
[1:47]And so we haven't solved any of this and we need to.
[1:49]We have any idea how he got all those special treatments?
[1:53]She didn't know herself.
[1:55]Yeah, all she knew was that he had all these access to medication.
[1:58]She thought that was really bizarre and interesting.
[2:01]She didn't know why he, of all people, got this machine with this long cord to
[2:05]help him sleep, apparently.
[2:06]And then she didn't know why he had extra linens.
[2:09]That's how he was able to hang himself.
[2:11]What was the most important information you learned today?
[2:14]Just the preferential treatment and the fact that there was such a systemic problem
[2:18]in the correctional facility.
[2:20]And somehow a billionaire was able to get this preferential treatment and be able to
[2:25]game the system to take his own life and avoid the consequences.
[2:29]So you needed both.
[2:30]You needed the preferential treatment and you needed the systemic issues.
[2:34]And that's sort of the theme of this entire investigation is the fact that our
[2:38]system is broken and billionaires are treated differently than the rest of the
[2:42]people.
[2:43]That facility is a federal facility, right?
[2:44]It is, yes.
[2:45]So I mean, I would think that you could theoretically ask whoever was the head of
[2:50]the Bureau of Prisons at the time and then just work your way up from Guard Noel's
[2:55]boss and the Bureau of Prisoners director and all the way figure out somebody like
[3:00]somebody did that for him.
[3:02]Right.
[3:03]Somebody was told and I would think in that direction, maybe you could.
[3:06]Yeah, she pointed to the head of the facility, the manager of the facility as
[3:09]someone who would have had to sign off on these things.
[3:11]And so we're going to ask more questions about this.
[3:14]But just generally, this is a huge problem.
[3:16]We need to fix this top to bottom.
[3:18]Yeah.
[3:19]You see what I'm saying there, right?
[3:20]I mean, somebody did that and somebody told that person to do it.
[3:23]And why? Why were they told, hey, we need to treat this guy nice.
[3:27]We need to have you know, so we we don't want him having trouble sleeping.
[3:31]She doesn't know. And that's the beauty of this investigation.
[3:33]We asked one person questions and it brings up a whole new set of questions.
[3:36]Yeah. The Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, sat before your committee earlier
[3:39]this month to answer questions about his past interactions with Epstein, which
[3:42]he had not been fully honest about.
[3:44]You called on him to resign.
[3:45]You claimed he was dishonest.
[3:47]Was his testimony not honest?
[3:49]No. Well, he told us that he never sat down with Jeffrey Epstein after his first
[3:54]visit with him.
[3:55]And then he admitted that he went to his island and sat down with him.
[3:58]And he said, oh, well, that's different because it was with my family.
[4:00]He still sat down with him.
[4:01]He was still in the same room with him two more times.
[4:04]And so he was not being honest with us.
[4:06]I mean, he was playing with the English language and, you know, trying
[4:09]to say the definition of I meant something different.
[4:12]But the reality was he just didn't want to fess up to the fact that he
[4:14]wasn't honest in the first place.
[4:16]All right, Congressman Suha Subramaniam, Democrat of Virginia.
[4:18]Thanks so much. Appreciate it.
[4:19]Right now in New York's Tribeca neighborhood, the entirety of the
[4:22]Epstein files, at least those who have been released, there's still a
[4:25]few million that have not, are on display in the form of a public
[4:28]library dubbed the Donald J.
[4:30]Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Reading Room.
[4:32]The exhibition, made up of three point five million pages and put
[4:37]together by the nonprofit Institute of Primary Facts, is free to anyone
[4:40]over the age of 16 to access.
[4:42]Today, Epstein survivors were there to address the pain they say they've
[4:45]endured at the hands of the Justice Department and its handling of
[4:48]the Epstein files.
[4:51]Our government and specifically the DOJ has not done its job to
[4:56]pursue investigative leads yet again and again, survivors are always
[5:01]asked to do more.
[5:03]We're always asked to name the names.
[5:05]It's something that we hear over and over and over again.
[5:08]And guess what we have?
[5:09]We actually have to Congress, to the FBI in spaces behind closed
[5:14]doors many, many times, but clearly that doesn't seem to do it.
[5:18]Joining us now is the Epstein survivor you just saw there, a strong woman
[5:22]named Dani Bensky.
[5:23]Dani, tell us what it was like for you to walk into this exhibit.
[5:28]Yeah, thank you for having me, Jake.
[5:29]I mean, it is, it really does blow the mind when you stand there
[5:33]amongst so many different files and just binders and binders of
[5:37]information and to constantly hear that there are no investigative
[5:42]leads when within the first hour of us being there and each of us had
[5:47]10 minutes and we talked about a different topic and a different person.
[5:51]And basically within the first hour, I mean, there's so much that
[5:55]needs to be investigated.
[5:56]And we've been saying that from the very beginning.
[5:59]And I'd like to just say, you know, it's a partial release so far.
[6:02]We haven't seen the full release.
[6:04]I started today by talking about Maria Farmer's report, and it's only the
[6:07]first page that's even there.
[6:09]And she did name the names and we can't seem to find the rest of that report.
[6:14]So it's bittersweet to be in there.
[6:16]So I know it's not fair to ask you for names, because as you've noted in
[6:21]the remarks, you have told them to the FBI, you have told them to
[6:25]Congress, you have told them.
[6:26]And naming these names publicly exposes you to lawsuits and also to
[6:32]harassment.
[6:33]But just to be clear, can you describe without the names, can you
[6:36]describe things in the file, the files that you saw that the Justice
[6:41]Department should be following up on?
[6:42]Yeah, I mean, I think across the board, you know, women have been
[6:45]really scared to tell our stories outwardly because we are not moving
[6:50]through these legal channels and we need to, right?
[6:52]So I mean, within an hour, the first thing that we heard about, we
[6:57]talked about Mount Sinai and sort of what's gone on there and seeing
[7:02]that members of the medical community are totally violating their oath and
[7:07]Eva Dubin's name is all over the place.
[7:10]It doesn't take that much more time to look into Virginia's deposition and
[7:15]see that her husband, Glenn Dubin, is also all over the place.
[7:19]You know, so these are names that definitely need to be investigated.
[7:22]We saw a text message about Leon Black where there was a woman who it
[7:29]alluded to her being under extreme duress when she had to sign an NDA.
[7:33]That's an investigative lead that needs to be looked into.
[7:36]We had another moment where we heard from Richard Kahn assisting with
[7:41]large cash withdrawals, right?
[7:43]Like, these are all things that our government should be able to
[7:47]really look into and they're not looking into it.
[7:49]And this is public information.
[7:50]This isn't me sitting here talking about my personal story.
[7:53]This is us opening a file and reading the file.
[7:56]We have said time and time again that it's in the files.
[7:59]Please look in the files.
[8:00]And nobody seems to want to do that.
[8:02]And so we're bringing the files to the American people.
[8:05]This pop-up gallery also has a display of the longstanding friendship
[8:09]between Epstein and President Trump, the timeline charting their
[8:12]connections over the decades.
[8:14]The organization behind the exhibit says this is to create public outcry
[8:18]over the Justice Department covering up Trump's ties to Epstein.
[8:21]What are your thoughts surrounding accountability for President Trump and
[8:25]for others who have had connections with Epstein?
[8:28]I mean, we've said from the beginning, you know, every single time we're on
[8:31]the show that it's not political for us.
[8:33]But something that I do think stands out in this exhibit is the friendship
[8:37]between the two of them.
[8:39]And, you know, if you know your friends well, you know what their
[8:43]proclivities are and what they're doing behind closed doors.
[8:45]So I do wonder if he if he knew anything.
[8:48]And I do believe that anybody that knows anything in this case
[8:52]needs to come forward.
[8:53]Newly released documents show it was Queen Elizabeth's wish
[8:56]to have her son, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, then Prince Andrew,
[9:00]appointed as UK trade envoy.
[9:03]The Prince, then Prince, took on the role in 2001.
[9:06]A minister today saying the British government found no evidence
[9:10]that he was vetted prior to the appointment.
[9:12]He stepped down more than a decade later over his ties to convicted
[9:15]sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
[9:17]Mountbatten-Windsor was arrested earlier this year on suspicion
[9:20]of misconduct in public office following fallout from the release
[9:24]of the Epstein files.
[9:26]We're joined now by Eric Fudali, an attorney who represents
[9:29]11 Epstein accusers.
[9:31]Eric, thanks for coming back on the program.
[9:33]I wonder how, as you're looking at this reporting,
[9:36]how the decision is aging that desire of the queens to have Andrew
[9:39]in this role and his apparent placement in it without vetting.
[9:45]Well, it's certainly not aging well, given what we know about
[9:49]Prince Andrew, former Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein's relationship,
[9:53]you know, to sort of frame it some way, right?
[9:55]We absolutely know that Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein
[9:58]were very closely aligned, spent a lot of time together.
[10:00]And of course, there's been very salacious allegations
[10:02]against Prince Andrew, former Prince Andrew, for which he actually
[10:05]the reporting is that he actually settled the case for a substantial
[10:08]amount of money.
[10:09]So it is certainly not aged well.
[10:11]And really, the relationship between former Prince Andrew
[10:14]and Jeffrey Epstein is something that I think continues
[10:17]to need to be investigated.
[10:18]I appreciate that there's been some level of perhaps accountability
[10:21]in Great Britain with his brief arrest.
[10:23]But I still think that there needs to be a lot more investigation,
[10:27]tough questions and looking into what former Prince Andrew
[10:31]did along the side with Prince, with Jeffrey Epstein
[10:34]and what actually their relationship entailed.
[10:36]Today, the House Oversight Committee is interviewing Sarah Kellan,
[10:40]a longtime Epstein assistant, a potential co-conspirator.
[10:44]That's how Florida federal prosecutors considered her
[10:48]as they investigated Epstein almost 20 years ago.
[10:50]But Chairman Comer said there split.
[10:53]The committee is on whether to treat her as a victim or a perpetrator.
[10:58]How are you looking at this?
[11:03]Split as well.
[11:04]I think that's a fair assessment of it.
[11:06]This is a very, very complicated case.
[11:08]Now, I obviously cannot speak to the specific details
[11:11]of Ms. Kellan's relationship or what she actually did alongside
[11:15]Jeffrey Epstein.
[11:16]But I can say generally, however, is that Jeffrey Epstein was a master
[11:20]manipulator and he was very adaptive, very good at manipulating
[11:24]those very people we had power over and also other powerful people
[11:28]to doing whatever he wanted.
[11:29]Now, again, Ms.
[11:30]Kellan, of course, was an adult and she can make her own.
[11:33]You know, she has to be accountable for her own decisions.
[11:35]But I can say generally that Jeffrey Epstein did victimize
[11:39]a lot of women and did also manipulate a lot of those victims
[11:42]into helping him facilitate finding other victims.
[11:45]So, yeah, I agree that this is sort of very split.
[11:48]It is a very complicated case as to how this interview is approached.
[11:51]What I will say is not complicated is that she may be a source of information.
[11:55]She is someone who was very close to Jeffrey Epstein
[11:58]for a long period of time, especially after 2008, the sweetheart deal.
[12:03]She continued to be associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
[12:05]And I think it's very important to learn what she saw and perhaps
[12:09]even who she saw closely aligned with Jeffrey Epstein after 2008.
[12:13]Because remember, after 2008,
[12:15]despite the fact that he got a very sweetheart deal,
[12:18]Jeffrey Epstein was a registered sex offender and that was public knowledge.
[12:22]So I hope the committee uses this or uses her interview as a means of getting
[12:26]actual information about who continued to closely align themselves,
[12:31]closely associate with and hopefully perhaps even closely facilitate
[12:35]a registered public sex offender.
[12:38]Sources tell CNN that lawmakers investigating convicted sex offender
[12:42]Jeffrey Epstein are turning their attention right now to three men
[12:46]who yesterday were accused by Epstein's longtime assistant Sarah
[12:49]Kellan of sexual abuse during her closed door
[12:52]testimony with the House Oversight Committee.
[12:54]Sources told CNN that Kellan named these three men
[12:57]Frederick Fakai, a French celebrity hairstylist,
[13:00]whose representatives deny that he's done anything wrong.
[13:03]Philip Levine, the former mayor of Miami Beach and cruise
[13:07]industry entrepreneur, and Patrick Desmarcellier, a French fashion photographer.
[13:11]CNN reached out to Levine and to representatives for Desmarcellier,
[13:15]who died in 2022, but we have yet to hear back.
[13:18]Sources also told CNN that Kellan accused Fakai and Levine of sexually
[13:22]assaulting her and testified that Desmarcellier exposed himself to her.
[13:26]We should note none of the men have been charged with any crime
[13:29]in connection with Epstein.
[13:31]Joining us to discuss is Democratic Congressman James Walkinshaw
[13:34]of Virginia, who is on the House Oversight Committee.
[13:36]And you were in this closed session.
[13:39]You can confirm that she named these three individuals.
[13:42]That's correct. And.
[13:45]What is so so what?
[13:46]Like, is the committee now going to call the two of the three
[13:49]that that were named who are still alive?
[13:51]Well, like, I think this is the purpose of our investigation
[13:54]is to try to suss out who else might have been involved
[13:58]in Epstein and Maxwell's crimes.
[14:00]And the transcribed interview with Miss Kellan produced several names.
[14:05]And look, our role in Congress isn't to prosecute.
[14:08]Anybody. But our hope, my hope has been that our investigation
[14:13]will lead the Department of Justice, either this one or a future
[14:15]Department of Justice, to reopen this investigation that we know
[14:19]fell short in so many ways and pursue all of these allegations
[14:22]that are credible.
[14:23]Is the committee going to call other Epstein survivors?
[14:26]Because it seems like these three names are they're not new
[14:30]for the people who have been following the Epstein
[14:33]Trivails over the years.
[14:35]But there are much bigger, wealthier people that have been named
[14:41]that likely other survivors would be able to name
[14:44]if they also testified for the committee.
[14:46]Well, a number of the many of the survivors have shared their stories
[14:50]publicly to the extent that they're comfortable sharing.
[14:53]We know some of those key figure figures like Les Wexner
[14:56]were never even interviewed by the FBI.
[15:00]I don't think we want to find ourselves forcing survivors or victims.
[15:04]Oh, I don't mean forcing, but if any of them want to name absolutely.
[15:07]Well, certainly, yeah.
[15:09]Anyone who wants to share more information should come to us
[15:12]at the Oversight Committee.
[15:13]We've said we'll provide a forum, private or public,
[15:16]for anyone who wants to do that. Absolutely.
[15:18]Kellan described in graphic detail some of the sexual abuse
[15:21]that she says she endured by Epstein himself.
[15:23]She also blamed Ghislaine Maxwell for some of his wrongdoing, saying,
[15:28]Maxwell turned Epstein into the monster he became.
[15:31]Is the committee going to continue trying to seek information from Ghislaine Maxwell?
[15:34]Absolutely. And I think Miss Kellen's testimony yesterday highlights
[15:38]why this concept that Trump continues to float or consider
[15:43]that Ghislaine Maxwell should be pardoned is so flat out wrong.
[15:46]Maxwell was at the center of this.
[15:48]She was as abusive in many ways as Epstein was,
[15:51]as Miss Kellen and others have shared with us.
[15:54]She shouldn't have been moved to a cushier prison situation.
[15:58]Pardon shouldn't be on the table.
[15:59]It should be ruled out.
[16:01]But clearly, there's some information she has that Donald Trump wants
[16:04]to make sure it doesn't get out to the public.
[16:06]Have you found out why she was given this nicer prison to go to,
[16:11]this lower security prison?
[16:12]Like, I mean, is it was there?
[16:14]It's really odd, right?
[16:15]Because she talked to now now acting Attorney General Todd Blanch
[16:20]said that President Trump had nothing to do with anything.
[16:22]And then all of a sudden was transferred to a nicer prison.
[16:26]Well, that's exactly why we're going to be questioning Pam Bondi
[16:29]on the 29th of this month.
[16:31]She's going to be asked detailed questions about that.
[16:34]What conversations took place with the president or anyone at the White House
[16:37]with Todd Blanch about that conversation, that meeting that he had
[16:41]with Ghislaine Maxwell, he's refused to give straight answers about that.
[16:45]He claims she wasn't moved to a less secure prison situation.
[16:50]That's in contradiction to the facts and what even folks
[16:53]in those prisons have told us.
[16:55]So we're going to ask Pam Bondi tough questions about that.
[16:57]Last question for you.
[16:58]So one of the leading proponents of making as much of the Epstein
[17:03]files public, Thomas Massey, congressman of Kentucky,
[17:08]was defeated in his reelection bid, targeted by President Trump.
[17:12]I've seen floated by Massey allies the idea that he should just go
[17:17]to the floor of the House and name names and read files
[17:22]that we in the public don't have access to.
[17:25]For those who don't know, members of Congress are cannot be sued
[17:29]for libel for things that they read on the floor of the House.
[17:31]There's this protection for it.
[17:32]Do you want him to do that?
[17:33]I want him to reveal any information that he has. Absolutely.
[17:36]He's done some of that already.
[17:39]He may feel even more free to do to do more of that.
[17:43]And I think you'll see him over the next six months
[17:46]before the end of his term.
[17:48]Continue the, in my view, courageous fight
[17:50]he's taken on behalf of these survivors to get accountability and transparency.
[17:54]Do you think he was targeted because of his role in getting the Epstein file?
[17:57]I think that was a big part of it.
[17:58]Yeah, I think the tens of millions of dollars
[18:00]spent against him by Trump and the MAGA machine, part of the Epstein coverup.
[18:04]No question.
[18:05]Democratic congressman James Walkinshaw of the Great Commonwealth of Virginia.
[18:08]Thanks for being here. Also in our law and justice
[18:10]lead, the British investigation into Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.
[18:14]You might know him as the Prince, formerly known as Andrew
[18:19]or the Andrew formerly known as Prince, I guess, may be expanding.
[18:22]Today, police urge the public to come forward with information
[18:25]as they may examine allegations of sexual misconduct.
[18:28]This is all part of a broader investigation to accusations
[18:30]that the then Prince shared confidential information
[18:33]with now dead pedophile Jeffrey Epstein when he was Britain's trade envoy.
[18:37]Andrew vehemently denies any and all wrongdoing in his dealings with Epstein
[18:41]and any personal gain from his role as a British trade envoy.
[18:45]Let's bring in CNN Royal correspondent Max Foster.
[18:47]What push investigators to make this public plea?
[18:51]Well, it's interesting.
[18:52]So a general misconduct inquiry into his role
[18:56]at the time when he was a trade envoy in this country.
[18:58]So we were under the impression that was just in relation
[19:01]to potentially swapping files with Epstein state secrets.
[19:05]But the police are making clear they have also been
[19:08]looking at it as broad misconduct, including sexual misconduct,
[19:12]particularly in relation to a woman who claims
[19:16]that she was taken to address here in Windsor in 2010 for sexual purposes.
[19:22]They have reached out to her lawyers.
[19:24]She's not currently cooperating with them.
[19:26]But as I understand it, there may be some sort of negotiation going on there.
[19:30]I think the purpose for this briefing, though, was to call for witnesses.
[19:34]There's a real determination amongst the police here
[19:37]to investigate properly, but they need witnesses
[19:40]to come forward and give them the evidence.
[19:42]So that's really what today was about.
[19:45]But it is obviously, to the public's knowledge, at least at this point,
[19:49]a second case, because a previous case of Virginia Dufray,
[19:53]who sadly died by suicide, obviously isn't involved in this case.
[19:57]But she made much more serious allegations about Andrew.
[20:00]That was settled out of court without Andrew accepting any culpability.
[20:04]But it does broaden this.
[20:05]And it does show, I think, that in this country,
[20:07]the police forces are doing all they can with not enough witnesses.
[20:11]Whereas in the United States, there seem to be lots of survivors
[20:13]and witnesses willing to give evidence and not the same level of investigation.
[20:18]So two juxtaposing positions on either side of the Atlantic.