[0:00]We get along very famously as you would say. >> This is a great day for the special relationship. The United Kingdom is a uh
[0:09]this is a wonderful country. My friend, our friend, President Trump. Thank you. [Music]
[0:19]>> Hello and welcome to Electoral Dysfunction Meets Trump 100, the Sky News podcast mashup. Uh with me, Beth Rigby at the Prime Minister's Country Home, Checkers.
[0:31]>> Me, Mark Stone, also here at Checkers in Buckinghamshire, 45 miles or so to the northwest of Downing Street. In a glamorous field, aren't we Beth? >> Yes. >> It's also me, Ruth Davidson. Uh I'm at
[0:42]home. I'm despite being in Scotland, not in a field. Although we do have some beautiful, beautiful fields in Scotland. The most beautiful. Very close to where Trump's mom was born. H it's proper Scotland. That is
[0:53]>> um me, Harry Harmon in Westminster. And I've stolen your studio, Beth. But unfortunately, you took the hair and makeup with you, which is why you look so fab. >> I have a lot of makeup on. I decided
[1:04]that Trump's state visit and press conference was a false eyelashes day. Uh, so I am fully made up. I look a little bit ridiculous, but apparently it works on camera. Well, this is like the
[1:15]Avengers have assembled, isn't it? It's our own Sky News special relationship. Quite a sight to see here because the world's media have descended on my home county. I grew up in Buckingham Shere. I
[1:27]have you all know for a front row seat to Donald Trump's big day with Karma. >> Yeah, it was indeed. And if you're confused thinking you were tuning in for Trump 100 and you're getting electoral dysfunction or the other way round, it's
[1:38]because we brought it all together for this special occasion, special relationship. As you say, Beth, it has been a very, very busy day here in Buckinghamshire. The whole US press pack
[1:49]turned up to see it all in person and so it has been well there've been a lot of people here haven't there. >> It's been like being in a movie. I felt like I was in movie and you see like the
[1:59]armed police walking around. It felt it felt you know the the shinooks landing. >> Yeah. >> Are you envious? >> I mean frankly yes. I love a bit of theater. Although to be honest the bit I
[2:10]would have liked most was probably the bag pipes as they arrived and then also the parachutists. That did look a little bit like a Bond film because they they came into land. Uh and you've got a uh
[2:21]you got a bug on your shoulder, Beth. >> Have I? >> There you go. It's gone. >> Thank you. >> They came into land. One of them was was had a massive Union flag attached to his feet. So that looked amazing. Anyway, the good news is because there were so
[2:32]many people here, rather than being in a field, uh we actually got a marquee, US media. >> And we're doing things slightly differently on our podcast. So to our dysfunctioners, if you like the sound of
[2:43]Mark, remember to follow Trump 100 wherever you get your podcasts, where you'll get him, James, and Martha dissecting everything happening in the
[2:52]States. And for anyone new to our political sisterhood of Beth, me, and Ruth, just search for electoral dysfunction for your UK politics. >> Yeah, I have to say, ladies, I feel a
[3:04]little bit I feel a little bit outnumbered here. >> It's fine. You'll you'll be fine. But I'll be all right. >> Yeah, I like you. You're fine. We're going to talk about Trump and Starmmer, that press conference. It was the moment of jeopardy. We'll get into
[3:15]the significance of that, the significance of the whole visit. We will take you behind the scenes uh here a bit, too. And we'll touch on two major stories rumbling on in the background. That is the ongoing free speech debate
[3:27]after American talk show host Jimmy Kimmel was taken off air for his remarks about Charlie Kirk's assassination. >> And the other big story rumbling on is Peter Mandolson. We've got to get
[3:37]Harriet's latest take on the man who hasn't been around in person this week, but he's certainly been talked about, even if Donald Trump pretends he doesn't actually know who he is. It's Harriet's
[3:47]old cabinet colleague, Peter Mandelson. I asked Trump about it, and we'll get to that. And Mark, you've had a bit of a steer, haven't you, about how team Trump think it all went. You got to speak to
[3:57]Trump's chief of staff, Susie Wilds, right? >> Yeah. And Howard Lutnik, the commerce secretary. And for a brief second, uh, Marco Rubio as well. It was a strange
[4:07]moment cuz you were invited. You got an official seat at the press conference, didn't you? Through Downing Street, >> because I'm based in Washington, uh, we went through the through the White House. Uh, and I got rejected. Anyway, I
[4:19]just thought I'd try my luck. Uh, so I sort of coattailed, uh, your pink jacket in there, discovered that there was no checks, and I went straight in. And it was a really good thing I did because
[4:29]the first person I saw mingling at the front among the cabinet, the US cabinet was Susie Wilds. This this highly influential chief of staff of Donald
[4:39]Trump been on at his side for so long. Fidian like you know where he lives. So influential. So I got chatting to her and it was really interesting. It was only brief but I did manage to get out
[4:49]of her just how much they've enjoyed this. So she didn't actually need to speak. she looked so sort of bedazzled by the whole thing, but she did say she said the whole thing has been just great, every part of it. Dinner uh was
[5:00]the best bit. She then told me that the president and the prime minister uh had had a lengthy one-on-one and she emphasized the president, she said he doesn't do that sort of thing very often. There was no one else in the
[5:11]room. Uh she said they were supposed to get 15 minutes. She then said it was about half an hour. I think the prime minister said it was even longer, up to an hour. Anyway, it was a long time. Interestingly, I don't know what you all
[5:20]think of this, but she said that there was no talk of Ukraine, no talk of Gaza, no talk of foreign policy issues at the points where she was present. But she
[5:31]then did emphasize that privately at this one-on-one maybe they did talk about it. >> Yeah, I they must have done cuz the PM mentioned it. And this is a bit of background that I've picked up from a UK
[5:41]source, which is the prime minister absolutely delighted with the visit. The view is that the PM's personal relationship with the president has helped create an environment for much
[5:51]bigger than expected deals. It's been a huge economic boost. The presser went well. And on the Torid Time Storm has been having, uh, the source tells me the government was hit by two extraneous
[6:03]shocks. Angela Raina's tax issue and Peter Mandelson's emails from 2008, both out of our control. There is a view that they are now firmly back on track with
[6:14]real momentum going on into conference. So after a torid couple of weeks, dare K star get his tail up. Let's see. >> But in terms of asking questions, Beth,
[6:26]h you were given one today. I was watching the press conference. I thought you might not get in. You were the very last person to get in. And in true Beth Riby style, you know, we're asked to give a question. gave about six, but
[6:37]there was one kind of gaping hole in the press conference that had covered Gaza, it covered economics, it had covered free speech, and you were left kind of cleaning up that the Peter Mandlesson question, but it I mean the answer was a
[6:49]jaw drop, a proper we call it in Scotland a scone dropper. You know, you were probably like, "Oh, did he just say that?" Let's have a listen. >> Finally, if I may, the elephant in the
[6:58]room, Lord Mandolson, he is no longer the ambassador. Do you have some sympathy uh with him that he lost his job over historic uh links to Jeffrey Epstein? Thank you very much.
[7:10]>> I don't know him actually. Uh I had heard that and uh I think maybe the prime minister would be better speaking of that. That was a choice that he made and uh I don't know what is your answer to that.
[7:21]>> Well, I mean it's very straightforward. Uh some information came to light last week which wasn't available when he was appointed and I made a decision um about it and that's um very clear. I mean,
[7:32]come on, Beth. Was that just naughtiness to throw it in there because Kier Starmer thought he got away with it? He did. >> A proper hospital pass from Trump to to Starmer as well, >> honestly. So, you don't know if you're
[7:43]going to get called or where you're going to get called. I was pretty confident I'd probably get a question. Then, when you realize that you're kind of running down the running order, you're like, well, I've prepared four or
[7:54]five questions, but are they all going to be gone? So, that's also very stressful. When we got to the end, I couldn't really believe that no one had asked a question about Lord Mandlesson.
[8:04]I figured it would be the first or second question that the UK lobby at least uh would ask about. So, I'm sitting in this room thinking, I really, really don't want to have to ask. We
[8:16]closed these proceedings and it's all gone really well. Uh I was like, I'm going to have to do it, aren't I? So, I I tried to do it in a way where I thought it would potentially elicit a
[8:25]response from Donald Trump. So, do you have any sympathy? I just couldn't believe it when he said, "I don't know who he is." >> We should emphasize that that clearly
[8:35]Donald Trump knows precisely who Peter Mandles is. Peter Mandlesson has been in the Oval Office quite a few times. He was there for the trade deal. Every time
[8:45]Starmer has been to Washington, and that's quite a few times, uh, at his right hand side would would have been Peter Mandelson. Trump knows exactly who he is. I mean, in a kind of way because
[8:56]he was on his best behavior. I mean, I've seen some Trump pressers that have gone catastrophically badly. That wasn't one of them. He was absolutely playing nice. And it seemed to me that he was really trying to be helpful by saying, "Oh, yeah, I don't know the guy. The PM
[9:08]can answer to this. He's got the line on this." But, but it's really unhelpful because the entire point from the entire UK government for the last 5 days has been, you know, it was a risk putting Mandlesson in there, but it was worth
[9:18]the risk because he's a Trump whisperer. He understands him. He gets on. he can he can get the White House to do his bidding. You know, he's he can really work with these people. And Trump's going, "Yeah, I don't know the guy. He's just some some some punter that I've
[9:30]never heard of." >> I think it was an attempt to be helpful. I don't think he liked the word Epstein being spoken in his environment at all.
[9:41]And interestingly, afterwards, a few of the US press came up and thanked me for asking that question because they said, you know, no one will ask the question.
[9:50]So, good on you for asking it. And someone messaged this is a minister messaged me after that, which made me laugh. They said, "It's funny that Trump said he didn't know him. It's my
[10:01]favorite jam to pretend I don't know people who think they are really important." And I wonder how annoyed Peter Mandles must feel because he hated having to stand down. And now he's been
[10:12]completely defenistrated by Trump as they sign the tech deal, which he says is his personal pride and joy. I think Beth, you were exactly right to ask the
[10:22]question. Nobody else asked it. You did. But he basically said, "Peter, who?" And I think that number 10 will be very relieved at that because what they want to do is to move on to the substance of
[10:34]the US investment into the UK, um the trade deal, you know, working together in relation to Ukraine. They don't want to be discussing Peter Mandelon. And you
[10:44]know what? They're not going to be. But there still are issues for us Ruth in the House of Lords because he's Peter Mandlesson is on leave of absence from
[10:54]the House of Lords and after 3 months he can reapply to come in. But actually it's quite paradoxical looking at the dates that he managed to get past the
[11:05]House of Lords vetting in 2008 because that's when Gordon Brown nominated him from the Lords. By that time, Jeffrey Epstein had already been convicted and
[11:17]Peter Mandlesson was already a longstanding friend of his. So, it really raises questions about the first off vetting of the House of Lords in 2008. >> Well, let's not talk about the process. What do you think, Harriet? Because you
[11:28]know Peter better than anyone else on this pod. If he's not fit to be the UK ambassador to the US, is he fit to sit in Parliament? Is he fit to sit in the Lords? Do you want him back? I think there should be a process, but actually
[11:39]I don't think he enhances the reputation of the House of Lords. I think he would damage it and I think he's got a talent for reinventing himself and reappearing after scandals, but I think this time
[11:50]that's got to be it. >> Okay, there you go. >> In terms of just clearing up, Mark, you were absolutely right about all of the times that he has met with the president. uh we've been doing a bit of
[12:00]factchecking uh and I think we can prove that the pair of them have met and that that actually the president does know who he is. Let's have a listen. >> In my view, as the prime minister has
[12:10]said, just shows what two countries who trust each other, who are confident in each other and are familiar with each other uh can do not just for ourselves
[12:20]but for those the rest of the world who need to benefit from a bigger and better international trading system. Thank you very much. It was beautifully
[12:30]stated. What a beautiful accent, too. >> I'd like to have that accent. Thank you. My mother would be proud. >> Well, President Trump then said he didn't know him, but he clearly does
[12:41]know him. So, it's even more of an excruciating moment for Peter Mandel in terms of the questions that were being asked of Trump and particularly from the traveling American press corp. Mark, you know, I I was struck by just how
[12:53]internationalist it was. I mean this was all foreign policy that the president was being asked to cover here. >> It was but what was also striking is is who he took the questions from. His
[13:03]first question very interestingly was for GB news not for an American outlet but for GB news. That's telling and you know reflective I think of how close GB
[13:13]News has come to the presidency. The second question uh was Brian Glenn. Brian Glenn is the suit man. the man who asked Zalinski why he wasn't wearing a suit in the Oval Office.
[13:24]>> And then when the Zalinsky came back, he said, "Brian, you're in the same suit as as me. At least I've changed." >> Exactly. So Brian Glenn is an American reporter um who works for a very very
[13:35]proTrump outlet. I've got to know Brian very well over the past I don't know six, eight months or so. But he always gets a first question uh first or second question from Trump. And honestly, I'll
[13:46]be blunt and I say it to his face as well, his questions are not really questions. They're more statements of how brilliant uh the Trump administration is doing. And then the third question was from Fox News. So they were not particularly hard
[13:57]questions any of them. Uh but you're right uh it was a focus more on foreign policy than it was uh on the the moment of the day uh the pomp, the circumstance and the the tech deals. But I think for
[14:08]all that the red carpet was rolled out and you know there's been lots of suggestions that you know that Kia Starmer has been kind of bending the
[14:17]knee to to Trump. Actually what happened over this summit and this state visit is K star has done incredibly well. He hasn't moved an inch from his position
[14:28]on Ukraine and on Putin >> playing the long game. And Beth, you said on on Sky, I saw in your kind of up some of it, you were saying that the press conference, it was people that when they were disagreeing, they were
[14:39]disagreeing agreeably. And I thought particularly as I watched a lot of the questions on Gaza and Israel, it was clear the prime minister and the president were coming from different backgrounds, different positions and
[14:49]policy positions on it. But I did think that actually, you know, there's no domestic harm to Starmer to have him stand next to the president and say something different and stick to his guns on it. >> Yes.
[15:01]>> Particularly to a domestic labor supporting audience. >> The the burning question I actually had was on Gaza, what Trump was going to do. Was he going to press Prime Minister
[15:12]Netanyahu? some reports in the US media today saying that he's privately saying how frustrated he is uh with the Israeli prime minister behind closed doors, but
[15:23]you saw in his responses and he was asked a couple of times, he just won't go there publicly, so he flips it to Hamas and the hostages. And what I think
[15:33]was good for Star was, you know, Starmmer clearly isn't going to do much on Palestinian statehood until Trump has left. That much is obvious. But it was
[15:43]clear that he had made his case. He is going to uh recognize uh the Palestine state. And Trump was clear there. He said, "We don't agree with this. It's one area we disagree." And I'm okay with
[15:55]that. And that was that's the point. You see, all of those things you're like, "That's the blow up. That's the blow up." And actually, what was really interesting about all of this is I don't know whether it's because Starmmer has
[16:06]found a way to work with Trump. It might be because Trump really has enjoyed the state visit and he doesn't want to cast a shadow over it. Whatever reasons, uh,
[16:15]and it's probably a bit of both. Um, he managed to kind of in that moment be his own man and be his own prime minister and not piss Donald Trump off, which is no no easy feat, is It's almost as if
[16:27]they got they they got to a position they've got to a position in their relationship now where few people are at with Trump incidentally where they can disagree without there being consequences from the Americans. He's
[16:38]managed to lay on enough over the course of the past few days that their relationship is close enough that they're able to do that. I think that's that's a kind of win, isn't it, for for St. >> It is. But I would still say the bigger
[16:47]issue here, and this is, you know, the only leader that can unlock Netanyahu is President Trump. And for whatever reason, at the moment, he is not doing
[16:59]that. And until he does, the idea of Israel pulling back seems very distant. And as all of that goes on, this
[17:08]humanitarian crisis is building in Gaza that you know there are reports about a wideset famine really setting in and it is just it's just heartbreaking to see it. Right.
[17:19]>> And Mark on the other big conflict in in the world that was talked about today on Ukraine and Russia. >> The phrase was Putin has let me down.
[17:29]>> We've solved seven wars. Seven wars. Uh wars that were unsolvable. walls that couldn't be negotiated or done. We've
[17:39]done the US has done seven of them. The one that I thought would be easiest would be because of my relationship with President Putin, but uh he's let me
[17:49]down. He's really let me down. >> That that was a news line uh for sure. But honestly, like what's he going to say next week? He's going to have a call with Putin. Putin's going to say
[17:59]something, buy himself more time, and Trump will be back the other way. So hard to know really. But be Beth, your question to both of them was essentially the one that that Vladimir Zilinski
[18:10]posed. >> Yes. >> To to Yaim when when they she interviewed him earlier this week. You know, >> now's the time to help us. >> I had a section on Ukraine in my my question bank and when Trump said
[18:22]Putin's let me down, that really caught my attention because I thought he's been apologizing for Putin. He's saying he can do business with Putin. And then he stood up there and said he said it's
[18:33]been much harder. I thought I could do business with Putin and he's he's let me down. And I thought actually is this is this a moment perhaps where Trump finally begins to turn the screws on on
[18:44]Putin. Is he going to do it? And so that's why I I pivoted to that. >> I think what he's now doing is he's got an excuse to blame someone else. Uh he's
[18:53]now saying, "You guys in Europe, I've just discovered you're still spending loads of money buying Russian oil. What the heck's all that about? Stop doing that. And until you stop doing that, I'm
[19:03]not going to help out." And as we know, people like the Germans and others are far too reliant on Russian oil to stop buying it overnight. So that's a delaying tactic. Trump and Putin are
[19:13]both essentially delaying. >> You know, there were two questions that it was, was it a mistake to invite him to Alaska? Did you regret that? And he said no. Okay, that was interesting. He's like, "No, I still think it was
[19:24]worth getting into the table." But then when it came to the matter of actually are you going to uh impose these sanctions that the Europeans are pressing for you to do, he then
[19:34]retrenched because actually he does have it in his power to turn the screw on Putin. and he retrenched and he used that as a way of reiterating what he'd said on truth social as Mark was saying
[19:45]about actually it's on NATO allies and and actually I asked the prime minister that about whether he agreed with with Trump on that and he seized upon that
[19:54]actually to pivot away uh from actually answer any questions on what he's actually going to do about it and I tried to shout at him as he was leaving like what about President Putin and off
[20:06]he went so I I think for the European ans I would imagine that there's a feeling of weariness really that they're still despite the efforts of maybe King
[20:16]Charles behind closed doors or K star behind closed doors how much are they really moving Trump you know >> and how much they were talking about peace the second world war standing together I mean we had a day of
[20:27]pageantry on Wednesday and then we went to a day of pure politics on on the Thursday and there's so much from that press conference to chew over but what you were saying uh Mark about the the
[20:37]way in which Trump says something then pivots and then says something then pivots is something that struck a cord with one of our listeners. We're about to go to an ad break, but I just wanted to read this because it's from one of our uh listeners, Justin, who messaged
[20:49]to say, "Trump is here to be lauded and he really does look like a kid at a theme park. Whether Starmer comes away with anything substantive is in doubt. Also, Trump is so fickle that he is
[20:59]Britain's great friend in the moment, but in the weeks and months to come, that sentiment could be very different." So there's already just, you know, less than a year into his second presidency,
[21:09]there's this sense that, yeah, he'll sign any old bit of paper, but will he actually honor any agreements that he signs? And and I think there's, you know, the proof of the pudding is is kind of in the eating on that one. And
[21:20]and that's again what both of you have been saying. >> There was a funny moment when he signed the uh the deal today. If you'd asked me a week ago at the state visit, are they actually going to sign anything? I'd
[21:30]have probably said no. But clearly they did. They signed a massive tech deal. Um, but as he signed it, he looked up and said to his commerce secretary, "Howard, should I sign this?" Then to his treasury secretary, "Scott, it's
[21:41]your fault if it's a bad deal." It gives you a sort of sense that that he doesn't really know what he's signing. Someone's told him to sign this. It sounds good. The numbers are big. There's loads of um business guys with loads of do'ach in
[21:52]the room. Uh he's a happy man. And by the way, it's a palace as well. Great. Just from another source in government, you know, in terms of the prime minister needing this moment, this is someone that knows him very well. They say he
[22:04]spent the past two weeks having to clear up for others. Today, he got to remind people what he is in it for and what he's good at. Point one. And in terms of the investment, this is a this
[22:16]government source saying it's massive and it is real money. It's not promises of investment. It's actual investment. And if you think about what we've talked about in this pod the whole time about
[22:27]trying to reboot the economy and the struggles they're having and the economic difficulties they're in. I mean I think we should give it a moment to say they've actually secured a lot of
[22:36]inward investment for both big tech uh computing infrastructure and nuclear. Uh and that is what they promised they would do. So I think after a torid
[22:47]couple of weeks they actually have a little bit of license here, don't they? To feel, you know, maybe even give themselves this tiny pat on the back.
[22:56][Music] Now, we said we should get into Jimmy Kimmel's Big American talk show being
[23:08]pulled off air after his comments about Charlie Kirk. It got talked about in the press conference and even if you've never watched him, this is a story worth knowing about because it matters about
[23:20]freedom of speech in the US. It's a massive moment here. Mark, can you explain it for us? >> Yeah. Well, Jimmy Kimmel, many many listeners, viewers will have heard of him. They know exactly who he is. Some may not. He's massive. Absolutely
[23:31]massive late night talk show host, comedian on ABC. and his show has a a sort of a familiar theme and it is a Trump basher. I mean there's no doubt
[23:42]about that. He's not a fan of Donald Trump and he does like this monologue at the beginning and the monologue uh which has got him cancelled uh was about
[23:53]MAGA's response to the death of Charlie Kirk. And he said that the MAGA gang, as he called them, were trying to score political points uh from Kirk's murder. Uh he said that they were quick to blame
[24:04]the left before much was known about the shooters motives. Uh and he effectively uh said that he he sort of called into question whether the shooter whether the
[24:14]gunman was actually from the liberal uh left. Uh that clearly sent the right in America into a tail spin. What was really interesting that America's
[24:23]version of offcom got involved basically said we're looking at maybe suing Kimmel for these comments. Guess what? uh offcom in America it's not independent
[24:34]and the boss of Ofcom is a Trump appointee so no wonder he was upset the other side of politics clearly they are uh very angry California Governor Gav Gavin Newsome posting on X that the GOP
[24:45]the Republican party does not believe in free speech they are censoring you uh in real time this is a massive story in America it was even mentioned in checkers behind us today I don't know what you guys think
[24:55]>> I think one of the things that was awful about what Kimmel said is he accused Trump of crime and crocodile tears over Charlie Kirk and just weaponizing it, which I just think is completely wrong.
[25:07]And the thing is that free speech doesn't work as a partisan issue. You've got to defend your right to free speech, but you've also got to defend the right of free speech of people that you find
[25:18]absolutely abhorrent. And there's no point everyone branding each other hypocrites when it comes to free speech. I mean obviously you've got to carve out a legitimate position which bans
[25:29]incitement to violence, incitement to racial hatred, you know, supporting terrorism or encouraging public disorder. But otherwise, you've got to defend everyone's right to free speech.
[25:40]And I, ironically, that's what Charlie Kirk was actually doing when he was tragically >> shot down. And I'm not going to say but he was shot, which is awful, but I don't
[25:52]agree with his views. I I think you've just got to be full on. It was terrible that he was shot. He was def he's a debater that believes in free speech. That was absolutely terrible. And at
[26:03]some point, people from all sides have got to get together and support free speech, not weaponize it, not use it as a stick to beat each other, not call
[26:14]each other hypocrites, but all recognize we all must support free speech. Otherwise, you know, our democracies are massively undermined. And I think what
[26:23]Jimmy Kimmel said was absolutely awful. >> Can I ask you a question mark? Because I was reading some analysis opinion in the US press today about it and they're saying the issue with Trump is he says
[26:34]he supports free speech but actually what he supports is favored speech and what he actually supports is speech that he agrees with and actually it's quite chilling and and even when you were
[26:45]talking about the US press call there and how he calls uh journalists that one of them you were saying will just make a statement about the brilliance of Trump.
[26:54]I mean, this is going very deep into the structures in America, right? >> Last night when I ended the day and it was all the sort of somnity and pomp of
[27:05]yesterday at Windsor and Trump sort of lording it around Windsor and I I just thought cuz I just come over from America. I mean, it's it is very on edge over there after the murder of Charlie Kirk. The country is I mean, I know
[27:16]everyone always says America's always been divided. It feels so bitterly divided at the moment. There are ICE agents on the streets pulling people off off the streets if they've got a brown skin. There is all this stuff over free
[27:28]speech that the the National Guard are on on the streets. It does feel like a country on edge. And yet all that was forgotten yesterday. And clearly, you know, that's not particularly helpful
[27:39]for for Kia Starmer at all. He doesn't that's like la noise. Uh I'm just dealing with my my trade deal here. >> Well, it's never going to get solved by people adding up the victims on both
[27:48]sides. you know, the terrible killing of uh representatives, Democratically elected representatives in Minnesota, the absolute awful assault on Nancy Pelosy's husband, now the killing of
[28:00]Charlie Kirk. I mean, you you can't establish righteousness by virtue of which side you're on. You've got to all be on the side of free speech and
[28:09]supporting each other's free speech. I think the matter of free speech is something that we're going to be coming back to, not least because of the uh rally in London over the weekend in
[28:20]which Elon Musk beamed himself in and used language that the UK government certainly thought was uh crossing the boundaries. >> I'm surprised that didn't come up in the
[28:31]news conference actually. Anyway, speaking of free speech, you you you ladies don't free flowing speech. You don't stop, >> you know, and we have to stop actually. That's a really good uh opening for us to say. That is all we have time for
[28:43]this week. >> Men telling me to stop talking. The bloody story of my life. >> It's such a terrible trope. Men saying that women speak all the time because research has shown that actually.
[28:54]>> Oh dear. What have I done? >> Men's The research has shown that men speak much more than women, but men always say women speak more than them. >> Well, Harry, if you're going to use facts and logic, how on earth is Mark
[29:06]going to argue with you? We are going to stop there everybody. Squished squished. I'll start getting Scottish on you. Uh that is all that we've got time for. Beth, you've got some television to do. You've got to speak to the nation. Uh we
[29:17]are going to end our special relationship here. Uh our reciprocal agreement has has uh run out. Mark, thank you so so much for joining us and thank you for letting us come and join you.
[29:27]>> If you are new to Trump 100, then uh it's lots of fun. Uh we are on Spotify, YouTube, all that stuff. And we have an email address ch100s sky.uk. Uh me James
[29:38]Martha the US correspondent at skynews. Follow us all. Come and find us. Come and listen. Stone skynews is me on Twitter and Instagram. >> And also you can email us questions to
[29:49]electoral dysfunctions sky.uk. And um I hope you Trump 100ers might come and join us again. >> Thank you. It's been fun. >> And now we've got all of the admin out
[30:00]of the way, all the ways you can get in touch. Shall we say goodbye? Goodbye. >> Bye-bye. >> Goodbye. Bye-bye.