[0:00]Gentleman yields. Mr. Goldman is recognized for questioning. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Here we are again. La Land and Homeland Security
[0:09]Committee conducting oversight of the president and his administration. Great. Because there are many, many things that Congress should be conducting oversight
[0:18]over the ad this administration. Donald Trump campaigned on finding convicted criminals who are unlawfully here in this country and deporting them.
[0:28]The worst of the worst. He said instead he and his identifi unidentified masked secret ICE agents are snatching and arresting immigrants from court
[0:38]proceedings, nonviolent noncriminal immigrants, pursuing legal pathways to immigrate to this country and then illegally detaining them in horrific
[0:48]conditions and even possibly deporting them despite the fact that they are here legally. You would think the committee with jurisdiction over the department,
[0:59]Department of Homeland Security would want to conduct oversight over the department's refusal to allow members of
[1:07]Congress to observe the conditions of DHS detention facilities. In fact, there
[1:15]is a specific statute that authorizes both Republicans and Democrats to conduct oversight over facilities that
[1:26]house or detain immigrants. But no, the department refuses. So, we're here in the Homeland Security Committee, and I'm sure the Republican majority does not
[1:37]like it when this administration undermines its own authority, its own statutory authority to conduct oversight. But no, instead of all of that, we are
[1:48]here talking yet again about Joe Biden. News flash, Joe Biden is not the president. He hasn't been the president for seven months.
[2:00]So if we are going to conduct oversight here, why are we doing it about the Biden administration when this administration is literally detaining
[2:10]lawful permanent residents and even some US citizens? And it gets worse. It's not just those masked ICE agents. There are
[2:20]many FBI agents who are being called away from their duties to investigate terrorism, violent gangs, child trafficking, and other crimes in order
[2:30]to help ICE arrest and detain immigrants with legal asylum claims, nonviolent that makes our homeland less safe,
[2:41]not more safe. So, we should hear from FBI Director Cash Patel about how many of his criminal investigators are being taken
[2:51]away from their criminal investigatory jobs, keeping Americans safe in order to help round up noncriminal immigrants trying to immigrate the right way.
[3:02]Some of these detainees are being held in Bureau of Prisons detention centers that are unfit for convicted criminals to stay in. We should hear from Pam
[3:13]Bondi about how much of the department's resources are being used to detain these nonviolent, noncriminal immigration
[3:23]detainees. And while they're here, we can ask them about a very pressing question. What's going on with the Epstein files?
[3:35]Donald Trump promised to release them. Pam Bondi said she had the files on her desk and that she was going to release them in the name of transparency.
[3:44]Cash Patel spent years railing against the FBI to release the files. Many of my Republican colleagues were banging on
[3:54]the table to release the Epstein files. But now all of a sudden, after a month's long review, Bondi and Patel say nothing to see here. no evidence that any
[4:06]American would want to see about accompllices, co-conspirators, or other people's involved. Yesterday, the Republicans voted against releasing the
[4:16]files. So, what's changed? Well, we all know Donald Trump has had a relation had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. He flew on his plane. He hung out in
[4:25]parties, spoke highly of him. And now there are many people saying that Donald Trump is included in the Epstein files. In fact, there are reporters who say that there are videos of him with
[4:37]topless women. Elon Musk even confirmed that Trump is blocking the release of these files because he's in them.
[4:46]Pam Bondi says there's nothing there. But Donald Trump even acknowledges that there is evidence there. It's just not credible. It's made up.
[4:58]This is a true social post from 9:43 this morning. It is an admission that Donald Trump is in the Epstein files and the American people deserve to know
[5:10]whether he is or not. >> Mr. Garbino, >> Mr. Chairman, I would pursuant to clause 2K6 of rule 11 not recognized your time is garbino chairman >> recognized for questioning.
[5:21]>> Mr. Chairman, I have a motion. >> Thank you, Mr. Gentleman. has a motion >> pursuant to clause 2K6 rule 11 investigation
[5:34]>> chairman motion table >> gentleman has a motion >> motion to table >> motion to table is is privileged and non-debatable
[5:44]we should shall ask all those in favor of the motion to table say I >> I >> all those opposed Opposed? >> No.
[5:55]>> Any opinion of the chair? The eyes have it and the motion to table is agreed to. Can >> I have a recorded vote, please? >> Recorded vote is requested. The clerk
[6:05]shall call the rule. Mr. Green of Tennessee,
[6:19]Mr. McCall Mr. Higgins >> I. >> Mr. Higgins votes I. >> Mr. Jimenez.
[6:30]Mr. Jimenez votes I. Mr. Fluger. Mr. Fluger votes I. Mr. Garberino.
[6:39]>> Mr. Garberino votes I. Miss Green. Mr. Gonzalez.
[6:45]>> Mr. Gonzalez votes I. Mr. Mr. Latrell Mr. Strong >> I. >> Mr. Strong votes I. Mr. Bkine
[6:57]>> I. >> Mr. Bine votes I. Mr. Crane Mr. Crane votes I. Mr. Ogles.
[7:05]>> Mr. Ogles votes I. Mrs. Biggs. Mr. Evans. >> I. >> Mr. Evans votes I.
[7:15]>> Mr. Mr. McKenzie, Mr. Not I. >> Mr. Not votes I. Ranking member Thompson. Ranking member Thompson votes
[7:27]no. Mr. Suo. >> Mr. Suo votes no. Mr. Koreah. Mr. Tanadar.
[7:39]>> Mr. Tanadar votes no. Mr. Magaziner. Mr. Goldman. >> No. >> Mr. Goldman votes no. Mrs. Ramirez,
[7:50]>> no. >> Mrs. Ramirez votes no. >> Mr. Kennedy, >> no. >> Mr. Kennedy votes no. Mrs. McCyver, >> no.
[8:01]>> Mrs. McCyver votes no. Miss Johnson, >> no. >> Miss Johnson votes no. >> Mr. Hernandez, no.
[8:11]>> Mr. Hernandez votes no. Miss Poe, no. >> Miss Poe votes no. Mr. Carter, >> no.
[8:19]>> Mr. Carter votes no. Mr. Green of Texas. >> Mr. Green of Texas votes no.
[8:29]>> Am I recorded? >> Mr. Koreah is not recorded. >> Vote no. >> Mr. Koreah votes no. chairman guest is not recorded.
[8:45]>> Votes I. >> Chairman guest votes I. >> Is any other member not recorded? >> Mrs. Biggs votes I.
[9:08]>> There's a gentle Mr. Chairman, what what are we waiting
[9:38]for? I'm sorry, sir. >> What are we waiting for? >> We're waiting for all members to complete voting. Sir, >> we we have all members who've completed
[9:48]votes. Mr. Chairman, >> call the question. >> I'm sorry, sir. >> We like to call the question and have the vote uh tallied. All members who are present have voted.
[9:59]>> Your your request is heard and denied. We're waiting for members to return to the chamber to vote. >> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes, Mr. Ranking member.
[10:10]>> We we went through this once, but that's not in the rule. >> It's uh it's kind of you to have that opinion, Mr. Ranking member, but I'm the chairman, and we're going to wait till
[10:20]members return to the vote. You guys are pushing a button on these procedural votes. It's not on the agenda. was not discussed prior to this hearing and we're going to give all members of both
[10:31]sides ample time to return to the chamber and cast her vote to end of that debate. >> M for the record you perhaps not the committee didn't even give notice of
[10:42]this hearing. So you talking about engaging? >> I'm quite certain that the committee is within the parameters of the rules of the house and the committee. Mr. Ranking member, you've been on the committee
[10:53]longer than most of us have been. And uh >> and I that's why I'm trying to explain the rules to you. >> I'm pretty sure you know the rules. We're following the rules. >> Which rule are you following, Mr.
[11:03]Chairman? >> You're the attorney, sir. You can look up the rules. I can tell you that I have high confidence that this committee, the staff of this committee is following
[11:15]every rule and the parameters shall be continued. We will we will wait for members to return to the chambers. This happens all the time. This is not new.
[11:24]This is happens in every committee. When procedural votes are called, members have excused themselves after their questioning to handle our business. They have to return to the chamber. We'll
[11:36]allow that for the Democrats. We'll allow it for the Republicans. That's fair. >> Mr. Chair, we've never asked to wait on a vote. >> Well, anyone tell you to ask, Mr.
[11:48]Ranking member? Because >> we have it is not the rules of the committ. It's not the rules of the committee. >> Okay. Well, you're welcome to have that opinion, but I I state again that the
[11:59]committee is operating within the parameters of the rules of the house and the committee. >> I have the parliamentary inquiry. Mr. Chairman, >> I have the gavl and I have I have the
[12:09]the right to keep the vote open until members have returned from across campus to cast an important vote. Mr. Chairman, it's not new. It's historically accurate
[12:20]and traditional in Congress. >> That's not true, Mr. Chairman. It's never done in this committee. And other committees have specific rules that allow for the chairman to do this. This
[12:31]committee does not have that rule. We are simply asking if it is if you are doing this pursuant to the rules of the house or the committee that you simply point us to the rule that allows you to
[12:42]do this because if you are now ruling as chairman without the authority of the rules we have a whole different issue. >> Mr. Chairman point order
[12:53]>> this committee existed before the gentleman from New York was a member of Congress. I was in the minority back here in 2021. some some of my colleagues did and the ranking member who was chairman at that time repeatedly held
[13:03]votes open uh when they were not uh for members to return here to vote not because they were for one way or another but for members to get back on procedural motions. I've experienced it
[13:14]when I was in the member minority members were allowed ample time to return from unscheduled from unscheduled votes uh in this in this committee. Thank you. The gentleman yields and the
[13:26]gentleman is is >> gentleman from New York. Uh >> is is the ranking member asking to be recognized? >> Obvious mate that's not true. When did that happen?
[13:37]>> The the ranking member is not recognized. Does Miss MacGyver wish to be recognized? >> No, I'm still I'm still talking. >> You haven't been recognized. >> You recognize me? >> Would you like I did not. >> You did.
[13:48]>> You want me to recognize you now? You recognize now, M. >> Obviously, I was talking to you already, Mr. Gabberino, because I had been recognized. Yeah, but that's not true.
[13:59]>> That is factually not true what you said. >> That is I I I rec I don't recall the the date, but I recall it happening. I recall votes being uh held open. So
[14:11]because there whether there were other votes or other committees, there was procedural motions, there were also markups where votes were held open or sometimes delayed. >> Claim my time. Look, all this is just
[14:22]delaying till somebody get here. And and Mr. Chairman, the rules are the rules. And and for you to try to make them up as you go, that's not how you do it.
[14:34]Mr. Chairman, >> you gentlemen yield. >> How am I recorded? Uh, Mr. Magaziner has not been recorded. >> As be recorded as a no.
[14:45]>> Mr. Magaziner votes no. >> Mr. Chairman, while we wait, can I introduce a UC request?
[14:56]>> Gentleman has a unanimous consent request. You recognize. >> Uh, I would move to introduce a uh truth social post from Donald Trump from 9:43
[15:06]a.m. uh railing against >> Mr. Chairman, we're in the middle of a vote. I don't think you can enter any UC request. >> I'm I'm advised that although quite
[15:19]generous would recognize and my colleagues across the aisle here, it's contrary to specifically to the rules for you to introduce unanimous consent. Will the gentleman let let us close this
[15:31]vote out? We're happy to recognize. Of course, I'm happy to raise. >> Mr. Chairman, >> trying to be polite. >> Mr. Chairman, >> given that there seem to be some attendance issues, at least on the
[15:42]Republican side, uh, I move that the committee do now adjourn. >> Uh, there's an open vote right now. You're welcome to make a motion to adjurnn after we close this.
[15:53]>> Chairman, point of order. A motion to adjurnn is the highest privilege. So, >> I'm not doing an open vote. It would supersede >> motion to return. Can we can if you
[16:04]continue with your motion and enter your motion after we close this vote and the chair will entertain that. >> But parliamentary can I make a >> this vote is open is going to remain open until >> chairman. Can I ask a question?
[16:16]>> Been allowed to return. >> Parliamentary inquiry. My understanding is that a motion to adjourn is the highest privilege and has to be acted on
[16:23]even if there is another open vote. particularly not a vote that's not being properly closed
[16:35]>> with uh with with concurrence which is reflective of my understanding. I respect Mr. Magazine's position and it is privileged but cannot be entertained
[16:47]during an open vote and this is an open vote. So if you if you would like enter a motion to adjurnn. Good sir. We will certainly entertain that once we've closed this vote.
[16:58]>> Mr. Chairman, >> the madam is recognized. >> Uh request a tally. >> Gentleman is recognized.
[17:07]>> Re request a tally of the vote as it stands at the moment. >> Yeah, I will. The chair will will request a tally at conclusion of the
[17:17]vote when we close the vote. >> Green from Texas. Mr. Chairman,
[17:42]May I be recognized? >> Of course. My my friend from Texas is recognized. >> Thank you, my friend. Uh, is it in order
[17:52]to make a motion to close the vote? >> I don't believe that a motion to close a vote is in order or required. We the
[18:03]chair is keeping the vote open until members from either side of the aisle return to the chamber for this unscheduled procedural vote. And may I
[18:13]consider this a ruling of the chair? >> You can't challenge a ruling of the chair on a motion that's not recognized
[18:22]during an open vote. So if you continue with if you would like to submit a motion to adjourn, I would suggest you
[18:32]follow the rules there as well, but you'll have to wait until this vote is closed. Good sir. What I would like to do is, as we have done
[18:42]with other motions, is appeal the ruling of the chair. >> You you're welcome to appeal the ruling of the chair if it's within the
[18:51]parameters of the rule, but that that appeal will not be entertained during an open vote. >> Mr. Chairman, you you have uh made a
[19:02]decision uh by keeping the vote open. >> That is in effect a ruling and Mr. Green
[19:11]is appealing that decision you've made. >> Yeah. Then we're not going to entertain a motion or an appeal while a vote is
[19:22]open. Mr. uh ranking member, you know that. Well, I know it, but it's not the rules. >> We've always And ladies and gentlemen, I
[19:31]understand your your your position. Understand you making a stance in the Homeland Security Committee. >> We're just making for you to follow the
[19:43]rules. Historically and traditionally, this committee and every committee I've served on has kept votes open when you have an unscheduled procedural vote to
[19:55]allow members to return to the chamber to cast a vote. >> Mr. Chairman, >> this happens if we're in the majority or you're in the majority. It's
[20:03]ideologically uh you know appropriate from either perspective to to allow your members to return to the chamber and
[20:12]it's certainly the historical and traditional um means by which we deal with unscheduled procedural votes.
[20:21]>> Mr. Chairman, >> who was that please? >> Mr. Bashane. Yeah. Point of order. um or
[20:33]parliamentary inquiry. I would put it to you, but I would put it to the Democrat opposition also is I would love for someone to point out where the rules say
[20:44]that you as chairman of a committee do not have the discretion over this matter. The accusation that the rules are being violated, but yet where is it
[20:54]in the rules that does not give the chairman the allowance or the discretion to make this decision? >> Mr. Mr. Basheen yields.
[21:04]Mr. Clerk, how is Mr. McKenzie recorded? >> Mr. McKenzie has not yet been >> I. >> Mr. McKenzie votes I. >> Wait one second. Okay.
[21:39]Mr. Mr. McCcoll has not been recorded. >> Mr. McCall votes I. The
[21:52]>> clerk will record a tally. Mr. Chairman, on that vote there were 15 eyes and 14 nos.
[22:02]The motion at table has succeeded. >> And the chair recognizes Mr. Magazer for questioning. >> You have a motion. I'm sorry, Mr.
[22:14]Magazine. You have a motion. >> No, I'll proceed with my >> gentleman withdraws his intention. Mr. Garberino.
[22:30]>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the witnesses uh for being here. I'm sorry that you're experiencing this