[0:00]the woman who's been described as the galain Maxwell to sha Colmes Jeffrey Epstein has just broken her silence regarding these allegations surrounding
[0:09]her and her former boss what does this statement mean for Christina Corum why make it now and does this give us a clue about what role she may play in sha
[0:19]com's upcoming criminal trial we're going to bring on a claimed criminal defense attorney to the Stars Bradford Cohen welcome to sidebar presented by law and crime I'm Jesse w
[0:30][Music] a lot of people have been spoken out about Shawn Diddy com since his legal troubles first began in 2023 however there is one name one name
[0:41]in particular one person allegedly connected to him who has really not said anything until now and this could be significant we are talking about
[0:52]Christina Corum now for those of you following the co Saga particularly our coverage of it here on sidebar you might be saying why does that name sound so familiar Christina korm has been
[1:04]described in lawsuits against Combs as the rapper's right-hand person more accurately his chief of staff actually as reported by The Hollywood Reporter comes seemingly highlighted Korum in
[1:15]2021 in a Facebook post writing KK keeps everything in my life and my business running she's been my right hand for the last eight years and has consistently proven to execute and get S done don't
[1:27]know how I'd function without her connection it's a very interesting connection to have a relationship that he describes considering he's facing now criminal charges of racketeering
[1:37]conspiracy sex trafficking transportation to engage in prostitution and the thing is she has been named as a defendant not in the criminal case she's not been charged with anything to be
[1:48]very clear but she has been named as a defendant and mentioned in various lawsuits and in light of that she is now speaking out for the first time in a
[1:59]state statement that was published by USA Today and first reported by Rolling Stone she said the following quote for months horrific accusations have been made about me in various lawsuits
[2:09]regarding my former boss these false allegations of my involvement are causing irreparable and incalculable damage to my reputation and the emotional well-being of myself and my
[2:19]family I have never condoned or aided and eded the sexual assault of anyone nor have I ever drugged anyone the idea that I could be accused of playing a role in or even being a bystander too
[2:31]the rape of anyone is beyond upsetting disturbing and Unthinkable that is not who I am and my heart goes out to all victims of sexual assault I am confident
[2:41]that the allegations against me will be proven to be untrue so what is she seemingly referring to well how about the fact that she is listed as a defendant in an amended complaint filed
[2:53]this month by Ashley parm who claims that she was violently gang raped and when I say violently gang raped I mean the allegation that she was gang raped
[3:02]by comedian drei NFL star Odell Beckham Jr and violently assaulted with a remote by Sha Colmes but here is where Christina korm or KK comes in PM claims
[3:13]at one point comes held a knife to her and threatened to give her a Glascow smile but quote defendant KK told defendant Diddy that she did not think
[3:23]giving plaintiff a Glasgow smile would be advantageous to their potential clients who they could sell plff for sex to defendant KK then made a threat to plff that they could ship her off
[3:35]anywhere in the world and that she would never see her family or anyone she knew ever again so as we do multiple sidebars a day particularly on the com's case I
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[4:30]every gallon on your first tank of gas there was also an accusation I'm sorry if I had to get graphic here there was an accusation that comes had forced Christina Corum to use a syringe to
[4:41]insert an IUD into parum and apparently she and coms argued over it not over actually doing it but that it wasn't going to work and then there's this when
[4:53]defendant drei finished raping plaintiff defendant KK Christina corm entered the room to examine the condition of plain who was barely able to move or control her bodily functions defendant KK
[5:04]examined plff to see if she needed assistance and was about to give plff an IV fluid plff cannot be certain if she did or did not receive such intravenous
[5:14]intervention defendant KK then opened a different bag different than the one defendant Diddy removed the oil from where plain if observed several medicine bottles IV fluid bags and Other
[5:25]unidentifiable powder-like Drugs defendant KK then removed a pill from one of the medicine bottles and gave it to defendant Diddy and there were further allegations in the complaint
[5:36]that she needed to keep the plaintiffs in the case sufficiently drugged that she carried around and gave out drugs that she provided plff with an IV like I mentioned which by the way is important because we know that one of the
[5:47]allegations in com's criminal case is that IV fluids would be used after prolonged allegely illegal sexual episodes and that she tried to force one of the plaintiffs and unidentified woman
[5:59]to sign signed documents as well by the way in this case she's being sued for racketeering violations battery assault negligence intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress unjust
[6:10]enrichment aiding and abetting sex trafficking false imprisonment but that is not the only lawsuit that Christina corm was named as a defendant in she was named in another suit by plaintiffs
[6:22]Latasha Forbes Billy Cummings Ian fan Ahmad Jenkins Fallon Matthews laquay Apple White and Jane Doe who claimed that quote she aided combs in his abuse
[6:32]of men and women and basically covered up sexual assaults she was also reportedly mentioned in other lawsuits like one filed by a former employee Phil
[6:42]Pines who claims that Christina corm would order him to clean up hotel rooms after com's wild sex parties again another allegation in the criminal indictment against Combs but remember
[6:53]Christina corm is not named as a defendant neither is anybody else but this is very interesting to hear that allegation and maybe most famously and the first time I personally had heard of
[7:04]the name Christina corm was when she was named as a defendant in the lawsuit brought by colm's former producer Rodney L Rod Jones who claims sexual assault harassment violation of the rering
[7:16]statute he claims Korum manages the day-to-day of com's alleged criminal and sex trafficking Enterprises for instance he alleges the following quote Mr com's
[7:27]Chief of Staff Christina Corum KK instructs her staff to retrieve drugs so she can provide them to Mr comes for his consumption and by the way that included allegedly directing bottles of champagne
[7:38]to be spiked with ecstasy actually I want you to listen to this description because there was a whole section of that complaint dedicated to Christina
[7:47]Corum where Rodney Jones basically makes the allegation that Christina Korum is the gain Maxwell to sha Colmes Jeffrey Epstein that's what it says and of course we know that she has been the
[7:59]associate of deceased financier Jeffrey Epstein who ended up getting convicted of sex trafficking charges sentenced to 20 years in prison but quote according to Mr Jones during the 13 months he
[8:10]lived in travel with Mr Colmes he witnessed defendant Quorum openly order her assistance to keep Mr colm's high off gummies and pills defending Quorum required all employees from the butler
[8:21]to the chef to the housekeepers to walk around with a black Prada pouch or Fanny Pack filled with cocaine GHB ecstasy marijuana dummies and toi according to
[8:31]Mr Jones defending Corum wanted Mr com's drug of choice immediately ready when he asked for it according to Mr Jones defending Corum ordered sex workers for Mr comes on one occasion she sent Mr
[8:42]Jones a text message requesting that he call a particular sex worker we have the message according to Mr Jones defendant Quorum ordered and distributed ecstasy cocaine GHB ketamine marijuana and
[8:54]mushrooms to Mr comes and his celebrity guests who were present on his rented yacht and and in his homes in La and Miami according to Mr Jones on multiple occasions defending km forced him to
[9:05]carry Mr com's drug pouch against his will the pouches were always black and several of Mr com's staff carried black Prada pouches according to Mr Jones defendant corm also sent Mr Jones to
[9:15]solicit sex workers for Mr comes when the sex workers arrived at Mr com's residence defendant Corum would negotiate their price and would take them aside and pay them by the way he
[9:27]apparently claimed that when he spoke up to Corum about com's allegedly groping him at one point she allegedly told him you know Shawn will be Shawn so now she
[9:38]makes this statement and here's the thing again she is not named as a criminal defendant in com's criminal case where he faces these charges that I mentioned before but what role could she
[9:48]play what does this statement say overall with respect to the lawsuits but what does it also say about a potential role in the upcoming criminal trial I am made of questions when it comes to this
[9:58]so for that I sat down with a claimed criminal defense attorney Bradford Cohen who has represented stars like Drake and Kodak Black to get his take all right Bradford good to see you again thanks so much for coming here on sidebar all
[10:10]right what do you make of that statement from Christina Corum and why make that statement now well I think it's heating up and I think she has to make that statement at this point because a lot of
[10:22]people are making accusations I'm sure I'm sure there's a uh an issue in terms of the federal investigation and what's going on with the federal investigation
[10:33]and if they're going to be interviewing her using her as a witness so my belief is all those things are coming to a head and I think that now was the time that she had to come out with something to
[10:43]say Hey listen I have no idea what's going on I have no idea what happened I have no idea that this was even in the realm of reality which I find hard to believe that she knew nothing about
[10:55]anything I I don't find it hard to believe about this sex trafficking thing because I think you know and I've said this from the very beginning is the
[11:03]proclivity towards hiring prostitutes and paying them $10,000 a night for whatever I I think is something that the
[11:14]government is associating with the sex trafficking and making that their you know their Crown Jewel in the in the in
[11:23]the uh in the case I find that to be you know very difficult to to wrestle with because in normal sex traffing cases you
[11:33]think of something a lot different than than those accusations and I do believe uh that she didn't know the details of everything that was going on I don't
[11:43]really find it plausible to believe that she didn't know anything was going on here's the question I have and I'm not surprised this statement came out now after she was more specifically mentioned in this amended complaint that
[11:55]I talked about earlier with Ashley Pam um you know she's really there specific episodes where Christina corm is allegedly partook in this this you know
[12:05]behavior um and these are allegations but why not just remain silent or just have her lawyer say uh we intend to fight this out in the court and not the court of public opinion we deny all the
[12:17]accusations why make a statement is there a legal Advantage because that statement is not going to come into a courtroom it's not going to be used as evidence per se does it help her in
[12:28]these civil cases is there a legal significance to make a public statement like this what do you think I I legal significance I don't believe so I think that it's more goes towards you know a
[12:39]jury that would be reading possibly reading a newspaper knowing about the case reading something seeing something it's just like when anything happens you know it's good to hear from the lawyer
[12:50]it's better to hear from the individual if they're saying M aopa I didn't know what was going on I had no idea things of that nature and I'm sure like said now that she's more formally named now
[13:01]that they you know it's getting very close to trial time I think it was a smart idea to come out with some kind of statement I don't see this statement hurting or helping her you know it's one
[13:12]of those inocula statements that's essentially like let's wait and see how things turn out I'm gonna be Vindicated you know that's kind of the standard when it comes to these statements that
[13:22]are made and the individual that are stating it it's just like I said I think the heat is starting to be turn turned up on a lot of these different cases criminal and civil and I think now is
[13:33]the right time for her to come out and say Hey listen I don't know anything that's going on I'm sure she's employed someplace else I'm sure she has some other business that's going on and my belief is it's probably hurting those uh
[13:45]relationship she has being associated with Shan Colmes I want to go back to the criminal case do you believe a statement like this and given the allegations against her does this give
[13:54]you a clue about her potential role in this criminal case in other words do you you think she could be called as a witness by either the prosecution or the
[14:04]defense yeah I I I can I I couldn't imagine any Universe where she's not called as a witness by either the defense or the prosecution um if someone
[14:14]is an individuals quote unquote right-hand man or right-hand woman and they know the intricacies of what is going on dayt day their schedule what
[14:25]they do uh you know not so much an MO a motus operandi of of like you know a crime but maybe an Mo of what they do daytoday right and I always say this
[14:36]like ano day-to-day would be hey I go have breakfast at this certain place lunch at this other certain place this is where I go in the afternoon these are the calls that I make during the day um
[14:47]she knows kind of his day-to-day schedule and how he operates the individuals that he knows the individuals that came to see him at his office or his home and she was there
[14:58]during during that time period I believe that she would either be useful for the defense or useful for the prosecution now my guess is uh she would probably be
[15:08]a prosecution witness because when you become a defense witness in these type of cases the prosecution starts looking at you very hard to see if there's a charge that they can file against you um
[15:20]and I don't see a lot of these people surrounding sha comes becoming defense witnesses as opposed to when a you know an FBI agent knocks on your door and says like hey you know you're a subject
[15:32]but you're not a you know you're not a Target yet we want to talk to you about these things and you could become a Target depending on you know how we feel you fall into this whole thing and then
[15:42]all of a sudden you know people come to the table with a lot different versions of of different things that happened during their time with the individual who they're Prosecuting see here's my
[15:53]question here's my question right yeah I agree with you I I think there's a strong possibility she could be a witness at this case because you think about it think about what he's charged with right this racketeering conspiracy
[16:04]this sex trafficking operation this criminal Enterprise if I'm sitting on that jury and by the way we've had this conversation since this case began no
[16:13]one else has been criminally charged in this case and it makes me wonder if she C is called as a witness and is you know again that's what makes the
[16:25]statement so interesting right she didn't come forward and be like I am ready to testify about all that I saw all that I heard I was forced to do things that I didn't want to do she's
[16:35]basically suggesting that I hadn't I didn't know any about this you know it's a horren behavior if she takes the stand as a prosecution witness and gives them
[16:46]the and taking these allegations is true gives them everything that they need yeah I organized this I cleaned up this I did that if I'm sitting on the jury I'm wondering why is she not sitting with Shawn Colmes as a criminal
[16:57]defendant can she be asked about that can she be asked did you work out a deal how come you're not criminally charged I think that's a big question because out of everybody we've talked about based on
[17:07]the allegations and the lawsuits and it's a question of how much that actually uh is connected to the criminal case she's like the central figure if you're talking about a criminal Enterprise how's she not wrapped up into
[17:18]it unless unless the these charges are not strong or unless these allegations aren't real unless she really had no part about it see that's where I I'm I'm struggling with her role in this I think she's a very important player but I
[17:30]don't know what she would testify to or what she'd be asked I I will tell you and and just from experience you know you you have individuals that take the
[17:40]stand very often to testify against your client um because they make deals and a jury isn't stupid you know you you can bring that out what kind of deal did you
[17:50]make you're actually you actually get the the letter of agreement that they have with the individual who's testifying if they are avoiding some sort of criminal liability or if they're
[18:00]gonna get some kind of reward at the end and everyone always says oh you know yeah I talk to them maybe I I'm hopeful that I can get a discount at the end you know I'm sentenced to 90 months and I'm
[18:12]hopeful I might get some time off but there was no promises no coercion all these different things and and that's how these these these go a lot but I mean I've had Witnesses take the stand
[18:23]and I can't even tell you like you know they're testifying that they you know they used to move a th000 pounds a week a week and the prosecutor is not going to prosecute them for that and you know
[18:33]juries aren't stupid they see that they understand like the motivation behind it now does that mean they're not going to believe anything that individuals tells them probably not they're still going to believe some things that they say but it
[18:45]does go to their bias and it goes to you know their credibility of whether or not they are expanding on their knowledge whether or not they're you know throwing some extra things in to make sure the
[18:56]prosecution is happy with their test ony and they can get a significant amount of time off and I always use the Sammy the bull Grano as a as an example right here's a guy they could have charged him
[19:07]with I don't know 20 murders or something crazy you know that took place during uh you know John Gotti days and he ended up getting you know a couple years in jail and Then followed by a
[19:17]bunch of probation um but did that mean that the jury didn't believe him no the jury still believed them and and you know it's the way that it's sold so like when Sammy the bull took the stand you
[19:28]know and and he's got a podcast right now I I'm I I watch it every now and then he's like you know a relatable guy he says like listen I was in the mob I did these things this is what they asked
[19:38]me to do blah blah blah and and even though he was getting a deal uh you know juries believed what he was saying because of the way that he sold it and
[19:49]um you know that depends on the witness it depends on the preparation of the witness and it depends on a lot of things I mean I've had witnesses that I thought were complete garbage that jury believ D and then uh I've had witnesses
[20:01]that were complete garbage that you know jurries didn't believe and I end up winning the case it it's it's one of those things so I I think she's a central figure I do think she's a central figure and if you're looking at
[20:11]it like a hierarchy which the government always does you you you know even you see this new case out of California with um you know they're blaming the rolling 60s you know all these gang members they
[20:23]have a hierarchy right and they show the chart of where everyone Falls I mean this is allegedly right under Shawn Colmes is this young lady so in other
[20:34]words you are saying that the prosecution needs her they need her to prove the different elements of these crimes because the other way of looking at it is if you're a prosecutor right in
[20:45]the interest of Justice if Shan Colmes did all these things and everybody who was helped him did all these things you should be prosecuting everybody who was a part of it or the other way of looking
[20:56]at it is they won't be able to prove their case against him with digital evidence alone or the victim's testimony they need people who were a part of this am I understanding that right that she
[21:07]is a such a necessary component of their case because this is the way I look at it again two one of two reasons she wasn't charged either a the allegations aren't true uh B you know three things
[21:18]the allegations aren't true B there's not enough evidence against her or see she is such a pivotal witness they absolutely need her for this case
[21:28]because again what it came out during the glain Maxwell case came out here how can you be part of a criminal conspiracy if you're the only one a part of it so in other words you believe and I don't
[21:39]want to put put words in your mouth you believe she is essential to the prosecution's case I think so if I'm a if I'm a prosecutor and I have an individual who is allegedly the right
[21:51]hand of the defendant that I'm charging uh I can't imagine a universe where she's not a central figure because just for background let's just say for
[22:01]background right to know what his day-to-day is to know I mean who orders who orders a thousand a thousand bottles of lube like Who does these things right
[22:11]so like you know if that is the person that he goes to that's his General and that General then gives orders to all the captains and Colonels and everyone below her how is she not a central
[22:22]figure I find that hard to believe that they are not going to rely very heavily on some testimony from her at least for background of all these different things then then going back to the statement
[22:33]right how does she testify in a way to say yeah I I ordered all this I did all this but it's still true to her statement that I didn't do anything wrong I didn't know anything that was going on how did she do again because
[22:44]again she made a statement on purpose I have to imagine she spoke to her legal counsel about this before making the statement but if you're going to be testifying in May or June you know and
[22:55]it's going to contradict the statement you just made allegedly I don't know that's the part I'm struggling with yeah I mean listen is it possible that he
[23:07]compartmentalized all these different roles for every single person that's going that's doing hey uh I need you to order this I need you to do this uh I
[23:17]need I I just don't see him being that individual that would be on that M uh that that micro you know that type of
[23:29]detail my guess is he would go to his right-hand person and say hey we're having a party on Saturday this is what we need X Y and Z make sure it happens
[23:39]get it all done etc etc that's what I would imagine someone of his type would do as opposed to micromanaging those individual in people and say hey you're
[23:51]in charge of the cake you're in charge of ordering all the baby oil you're in charge you know like I just don't see that happening so my guess is is that
[24:01]although she's saying she didn't know my my feeling is she's saying she didn't know the extent is what she's probably gonna say if she takes the stand she's gonna say hey I knew we had
[24:12]parties I knew he liked prostitutes I knew he you know might have uh wanted marijuana there or whatever and did I tell Bob Smith or did I tell Jane Smith
[24:22]to go do this or do that sure but I didn't know how it all came together I think that is more along the line of what she's saying that I had no idea
[24:33]about the scope of it as opposed to saying oh I didn't know he threw parties I didn't know that you know there was sex going on in room four uh you know I
[24:44]think that her statement more along the lines of goes to hey I just thought these were Consulting adults you know who am I to say Hey you know Sean comes is having sex in room four I'm gonna
[24:56]tell him not to like that's not my job you know I have no idea if he's paying that person not paying that person all I know is him her and and her and him go into a room those are consenting adults
[25:07]no one's ever complained to me that this was going on no one said anything to me I think that falls more in line with her statement than that she absolutely
[25:18]didn't know anything about anything I don't think that's what she's saying I think she's saying she didn't know the extent she didn't know that things were going on that were allegedly illegal
[25:29]that you know the whatever the prostitution that was going on wasn't just Consulting adults that it was some sort of drugging and things of that I think she's saying she had no idea about
[25:39]that and just yes and just to be clear right a lot of everything we're saying right now we're speculating we don't know for sure and to be clear right trones hasn't been found guilty of any crime in connection with this case uh
[25:50]his trial starts in may he hasn't been found liable in any of these lawsuits she hasn't been found liable in any of these lawsuits she hasn't been criminally charged the other possibility is she doesn't she's not called as a
[26:01]witness at the criminal trial she has no connection to the criminal case whatsoever but so much of the heat as you mentioned in these civil cases has been coming forward particularly with Ashley parm she had to release a
[26:11]statement with respect to the civil case and that you know she's basically I I actually wondered when I see you know about irreparable injuries and the reparable harm That She's suffering that
[26:22]it might be hurting her livelihood it might be hurting her career that at this point she has to release a state not has nothing to do with the criminal case against shaes her former boss but
[26:32]it just has to do with her her own self and maybe I mean I I don't think she can file a defamation claim because these are claims in a lawsuit and you can't automatically file a defamation claim
[26:43]for being accused of something in a lawsuit but I also thought it might have been a personal reason a reputational reason a business reason for her to make a statement like this there's a lot of reasons why people
[26:54]make these statements I mean it's it's not simply and like I said it doesn't move the ball really in the civil case or the criminal case it's not it's not a statement that she's making where oh my
[27:06]God she made that statement let's throw the case out you know let's not use her as a witness like that's not the key to these statements and the key usually is is all of a sudden you start getting
[27:16]notices from all these fancy clubs that you're a member of that say Hey sorry we're not renewing your membership you know you once you those letters start rolling in and and you know the next
[27:26]deals a Nike says Hey listen and you know it was nice doing business with you we don't want to keep doing business with you those type of things that happen obviously you have to address you
[27:36]know the elephant in the room so I I do think that that was the major factor here is that she was addressing the elephant in the room and saying like listen I really don't know what was going on I had no idea you know all
[27:47]these accusations are flying around it's ruining my you know my life it's ruining my family's life you know she's got kids I mean this is a horrible you know it's like whenever a defendant gets charged
[27:58]it isn't just the defendant and and I say this you know to everyone it's the family members it's the the associates it's the business partners everyone gets
[28:10]affected by any kind of criminal case that's going on against a defendant it is a widespread uh uh uh net it's it's like throwing a rock in a pond and there's
[28:21]ripples that that affect you have no idea how badly this affects the kids the families the the families obvious obviously of the victims the alleged victims I mean it's like it's such a
[28:31]massive amount of people um that I feel bad for everyone associated in this obviously there's allegations here no one's been convicted so I at this point where everyone is still in the eyes of
[28:43]the law innocent I feel bad for everyone that's involved in this case because there's just so many things that are going on these alleged prostitutes that are getting dragged back in they may
[28:53]have moved on you know they may have jobs as Baristas and now all of a sudden they're being thrown into the press that they were you know five years ago they were a prostitute so it there there's a
[29:04]lot of people that get harmed with these cases and that's really the balancing that's a tough balancing act when it comes to either the defense or the government where you're putting Witnesses on the stand obviously you
[29:16]want to do the best you can for your your client but it's so tough because you have witnesses that have moved on you know that was three four five years ago that you're calling back and you want them to take the stand to say this
[29:27]didn't happen or this did happen and in a few months when we see who the actual Witnesses are testifying in the criminal case these are names that will be splattered across the world because there's going to be so much coverage of
[29:38]the Sha Colmes case final point though you know I read it before I'll say I read it before but like the accusations that she's facing Bradford in these cases these civil lawsuits are
[29:49]just so disturbing I mean there's very specific very very specific details about what she allegedly did and yes these are allegations but a lot of these
[30:00]suits are from people who have identified themselves or had to identify themselves and they're being public about accusations not not just against Sean comes but against other high-profile people and now heard
[30:11]directly that specificity in these lawsuits what does that tell you so specificity in lawsuits is always a a
[30:21]something that makes them stronger right if if I know the time the date I have phone calls or whatever and put that into my complaint that's why I always try to make my complaints a lot of
[30:32]attorneys always feel like ah just do like a a plain Jane complaint throw it in there so they won't know you know what the the allegations are I don't do
[30:41]that I make mine as specific as possible I give you times and dates and areas and photographs if I have photographs of certain things I'll attach everything to
[30:51]a complaint because I have nothing when I file a complaint I have nothing to hide so when I see specific City in a complaint it does speak towards its
[31:02]allegations being uh you know verifiable let me put it that way you know when I say hey I was in New York on April 14th
[31:10]at 2:46 pm and it's that specific you know that they obviously have something that said well how did they know they were in New York at 2:46 PM well was a
[31:21]phone call there's an email that I went to the front desk of a hotel I pulled money out of a at M that was on the corner you know all these different
[31:31]things that would verify where I was and when it was those type of things to me when you're defending those cases those are things you have need to think about because it's like okay why are they
[31:42]saying that so specifically they must have something to back that up and what is that and that's when you start tailor you know tailoring your your requests to produce and and things of that nature to
[31:53]see what evidence they actually have to show that specificity but yeah I think it speaks a lot to the case and that's a different kind of case to to argue against or for because I I mean I'll
[32:04]just say real quickly before we wrap up you know the Justin baldon Blake Lively case so specific I mean you have text messages times dates emails so it becomes a question not that it's something not happen or not it's you
[32:15]know explaining away why something happened or not providing different context or explanation that was one of the most specific back and forth lawsuits that we've seen but that's a case for a different time Bradford
[32:25]Cohen yeah thanks so much for taking time great seeing you really appreciate you breaking down this uh very interesting development in the Sha comes story thank you so much man thanks man
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