EFTA02731929

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[0:05]you know their names or I don't full names no um actually one girl I know her first name
[0:15]I don't talk to her anymore I haven't talked to her for a while either um I don't know like what
[0:24]their situation was like I don't know um and the other one is actually my friend okay so
[0:31]she didn't go back or anything he didn't do anything like to her she told me how everything
[0:37]went she took her shirt off she stayed in her underwear and that was it and then she got yeah
[0:44]I gave her extra money on top of that because I don't like she would get money from him also
[0:50]but she would like bring girls to the house okay so like the one time like when I took um the girl
[0:56]and he gave me money when I took how much did he give you for taking I don't know is it either two
[1:02]or three
[1:03]um
[1:03]I can't remember did he ask you to bring people or well he's like yeah if you have any friends
[1:09]who want to do it you know like if I can or whatever because I was working two jobs at the
[1:13]time so it's like you know if I can I know anybody would he ask ask you obviously if
[1:19]they were cool with it or felt comfortable with it
[1:22]and like I would always tell them you know what the situation was because like I wasn't told the
[1:28]whole at first I was not told the whole situation what did he tell you you would have to do
[1:33]he told me I would just take my shirt off and give him a massage and that would be it
[1:37]so yeah so that was it okay is there ever a time that you ever told him um hey I'm not comfortable
[1:51]with that the first time he asked me if I would take my jeans off and I told him I wasn't
[1:56]comfortable with that okay um I think that's really it again you're not in any trouble I'm
[2:05]I'm just trying to
[2:06]you know I'm not in any trouble with that I'm just trying to
[2:07]you know I'm not in any trouble with that I'm just trying to
[2:07]is there ever a time that he ever tried to touch your vagina was there ever a time that he ever
[2:14]uh tried to insert his fingers or any or any toy in your vagina once he tried with the fingers and
[2:23]I told him I wasn't comfortable so he's like all right that's fine okay was that towards the end
[2:29]or was that yeah towards the end he would get a little like each time he would try to you know a
[2:35]little bit more kind of type thing if I see if I was a little more comfortable I guess it was like
[2:42]it was like at first you know
[2:43]it was it wasn't as like in other words he worked his way to that okay like you would try a little bit more each time yeah okay was there ever any time that he tried to did he touch your breasts I can't like think of specific times but there were times that he did okay your buttocks utilize his fingers or anything inside your buttocks no okay did he ever ask you to masturbate him no
[3:23]he would do it himself yes have you seen him naked yes okay was there ever a time uh well when you observed him naked did you did you notice anything peculiar about him or
[3:42]no did you did you see his penis yes characterize him as a sexual type person
[4:01]he's younger than you though isn't she I don't know if she was she was 18 I know that but I don't know exactly how
[4:17]she is um she's 19 now also so that's i mean i didn't know like her exact birthday or anything
[4:25]like that but i know she was 18 and she's 19 now also i'm not sure if she's i'm not sure if she's
[4:33]ever or not i do want to talk about the time that she went that one time she went um i know you
[4:44]explained to me but like many you know like many things people are ashamed or whatever and they
[4:50]don't want to disclose everything that truly happened um is she aware why you're here she has
[4:58]an idea because it was kind of like me started being friends again she's the only one i've still
[5:02]talked to since then and she told me the kind of situation that was going on and i told you know
[5:09]and then like i'm like okay i guess they don't want to talk to me then i got a phone call like oh
[5:12]okay i guess you know well you have to understand there's a lot of a lot of people that you know
[5:18]names that keep coming up right
[5:20]during surveillance we did we did uncover a lot of other people and like i said this has been
[5:26]ongoing for quite some time um the time that he touched your vagina um with his fingers or with
[5:41]a toy with fingers okay the time that he attempted to penetrate you was did he actually
[5:51]penetrate you with his fingers no wait okay i got lost there for a second
[5:58]when when he tried to push put his fingers inside you did he um did he actually do it or one time he
[6:05]did and i'm like i don't know i wasn't comfortable with it so he's like okay that one time i believe
[6:11]it was only one so that he tried but he never put his fingers inside you he like i said he did
[6:18]the one time and i told him i didn't want that and so he's like okay that's fine that was it
[6:24]he did basically yeah okay
[6:36]was gonna do that or no it just led to that aside from the house that like would go with me
[7:19]but that was it but you go to accompany you right yeah was there anybody else in the room when you
[7:24]gave massage no never okay how did you know um i knew our boyfriends were best friends at the time
[7:53]well yeah they were best friends a while ago and then our boy or we broke up with our boyfriends
[7:58]or you know we like stopped seeing each other we had become friends
[8:01]we became friends through them you have a myspace too yes i do you do i do pretty funny that man
[8:26]understand why people would put all this stuff out there for everyone to see let's see i think
[8:42]that's it i'll walk you out and then i'm just gonna talk it won't be long i'm just talking to
[9:31]you're not in any trouble whatsoever okay and she's not in any trouble whatsoever
[9:36]what i'm doing is i'm conducting an investigation on an individual
[9:41]that lives in the town of palm beach by the name of jeffrey epstein
[9:45]okay have you ever been to his house you have i just play your last name she lives with me she
[10:06]lives with you what's your date of birth when did you uh when did you go to mr epstein's house
[10:23]well like over a year ago about a year ago okay over it yeah like about a year ago did um
[10:32]i take you
[10:33]yeah okay you were to go there to do what give him a massage give him a massage are you a
[10:45]massage therapist or no but you have any training um i went to like cosmetology school so they could
[10:51]do a little bit of everything in there okay but you don't hold a license or anything right
[11:01]did she explain to you what there was going to be involved in this massage what do you mean
[11:07]when to provide to give a massage you know did she say you're
[11:11]have to be topless or again you're not in any trouble yeah she or anything i know i just she
[11:23]has no idea what this is about and i just i'm like okay saw the guy once gave him a massage once
[11:29]never saw him again when you went to give the massage did he ask you to do a topless or yeah
[11:41]okay you're an adult so it doesn't matter i mean you know it doesn't matter i'm just i'm trying to
[11:47]to understand obviously i've talked to the
[11:49]30 some odd girls already wow yeah kind of gross
[12:02]exactly so but anyways during the massage did he ask you to to remove your pants or yeah well i was
[12:19]i wasn't naked like i was in like boy shorts and like like tubless and boy shorts
[12:26]okay boy shorts meaning like panties or you know what they're like they're not like
[12:30]full European's underwear they're like little baby shorts and they just they come they just get dropped by the beach in them.
[12:33]cover enough, they don't show too much. Okay. You massaged him? Mm-hmm. Did he try to touch
[12:41]you in any way? No. Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash vibrators? No. Did he ask
[12:52]you to touch him? Just to give him a massage. I mean... Oh, no. No? I would have said no
[12:59]anyway. That's gross. Okay. Did he touch himself? Yeah. Masturbate? Yeah. To the point where
[13:14]he climaxed? He did. He did. Was that the only time you ever went? One time. One time.
[13:22]How much did he pay you for that? Um, $300. He never... Was there ever a time you felt
[13:38]uncomfortable? No. I'm very, like, I'm very comfortable. Like, he asked me that, too.
[13:42]He's like, are you uncomfortable? And, like, as weird as it sounds, I'm very comfortable
[13:45]with myself. So, like, it didn't really bother me. And I needed the money. So, you know,
[13:51]my boyfriend and I are having a hard time. So, David, I had to do it, you know? I understand.
[13:55]Yeah. That was the only time you ever went? One time. And I, I think I dropped her off
[14:02]once and came back, like, an hour later when her car was down or something. He had, like,
[14:17]a, like, a massage room, like a bed. And, like, he has just... A massage bed or, like,
[14:22]a bed bed? No, like a massage bed. Okay. Mm-hmm. Like a massage bed. And what was
[14:27]this? What part of the house was this? Okay, the house is massive. Um, we went in through
[14:32]the kitchen, up the stairs, around. So, it was, like, I guess, towards the front on,
[14:38]like, the second floor, maybe. Maybe over the pool or something like that. Okay. Could
[14:42]have been. I don't really know because, like, I just kind of walked in and, like, um, according
[14:47]to Johnny, he's a very, like, like, quiet person. And just, like, I don't want to ask
[14:50]him a question. I just, like, went upstairs and gave him a massage and left. Okay. You
[14:56]never tried to touch you? Mm-hmm. And then touch your vagina? Nope. Breasts? Nope. Buttocks?
[15:03]I think he might have grabbed my butt once. But as for the other stuff, no. Did they,
[15:14]anybody ask you to do that? No. Did they ask you to do that? No. Did they ask you to
[15:15]leave your phone number to call you back? No. Or was it a one-shot deal? It was a one,
[15:22]it was a one, well, I went there, when I went, dropped her off the first time when
[15:26]I went in, he had asked her to ask me. And at the time, I said, no, I didn't want to
[15:31]do it. And then, like, we were having a really hard time and, and work was really
[15:34]slow. So, I was like, okay, you know, tell him if, if he wants a massage, you know, I'll
[15:39]do it. So, he didn't ask, I mean, he didn't, like, I didn't leave myself a number or anything.
[15:43]He didn't have any numbers to get a hold of me. Okay. He got, he got a hold of me three
[15:46]days later. Okay. But it was one shot. Okay. So, I was like, okay, I'm going to do it.
[15:47]One time. One shot deal. One shot deal. What is it that you do for a living? I am a skincare
[15:54]specialist. And then, and I work at a server in the mall, so it's not busy. It's like,
[16:01]dead. If you want to come, we have a great towel bar. Hey, good steaks. Is everything
[16:10]you told me been true and correct in the best of your knowledge? Yeah. I went there,
[16:14]walked through the kitchen, up the stairs, set up the bed. He has a drawer of, like,
[16:18]massage lotion. And I know it's funny because I was working in America.
[16:21]I was like, the lotion we carry at work, it's aromatherapy. And laid the bed out, laid
[16:26]the sheet out, gave him a massage. He flipped over, did his thing. Me not paying any attention
[16:30]to it whatsoever. Like, just like, all right, cool. And then, he got into the steam bath.
[16:38]Got into the steam bath or shower or whatever the hell it was when millionaires have in
[16:41]their homes. And then, I left. And that was it. All right. Well, I appreciate it. It
[16:53]just, it worked out this way. I appreciate you coming to me. I appreciate you coming to
[16:58]me. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Let me give you one of my cards if you ever
[17:04]have any questions or ever need to.