[0:06]You see that everything runs smooth in the compound, and in charge of the cars, the swimming pool, the grounds, and so that was basically, you know, the only one in charge when they were away, too.
[0:23]Okay. He's not here much, though.
[0:26]No, he has several houses, sir.
[0:28]Right. Did you stay on property?
[0:31]Yes, I did.
[0:32]Okay. In the guest house section?
[0:33]Yes, in the guest house.
[0:35]Okay.
[0:36]Which is the house just next to the kitchen door.
[0:41]Exactly.
[0:42]Right outside?
[0:42]Right outside of this kitchen, yes.
[0:44]Okay. During your time of employment there, what was your relationship with Mr. Epstein like?
[0:56]Well, he mostly wanted to be alone, and that's an important matter, so sometimes I would have to call New York to his secretary or his personal assistant so I can talk to him,
[1:09]because he was a very important person to me.
[1:09]Okay.
[1:09]But we were not supposed to go to the second floor when he was there, most of the time.
[1:13]Okay. All right. So, if he was in residence, and he was in his room, in the master bedroom, and you needed to speak to him, you couldn't?
[1:24]No, I couldn't. That was the question for all of us. You know, there were compounds.
[1:36]Who were the four people that were helping him?
[1:37]Okay.
[1:41]It would be most of the days, but, you know, when he left, we weren't supposed to be there, you know.
[1:44]Okay.
[1:45]So, who would you call?
[1:46]In New York, to get a hold of the master secretary.
[1:51]Master secretary.
[1:53]In New York, yes.
[1:54]354 Madison Avenue, I think is the address.
[1:59]Okay. And then, she would call his assistant?
[2:03]Yes, that was it.
[2:04]She was very young, beautiful. I think she was born in North Carolina.
[2:20]Very spirited, beautiful girl, inside and out.
[2:27]Okay.
[2:27]Or 23, something like that.
[2:39]Okay.
[2:39]And then, she would, in turn, tell the director that you needed to see him, and...
[2:46]Exactly. We wouldn't like to see him unless, like, you know, it was real, you know, like, he will get, not angry, but, I mean, he wouldn't like any of us going upstairs, and when we noticed he would go away, then we would go upstairs and fix the room, you know, and I would be sure that we straight everything out.
[3:04]If you had guests come over, and they went upstairs, after he left his room, would you go upstairs and tidy up, or...?
[3:17]Well, I would greet them, and I would be sure that who are them, and they would usually give me a list of the people who would go, and I would make them feel comfortable in the kitchen, often a drink, and then he can, and sometimes he would give me orders to send these people directly upstairs.
[3:32]Okay.
[3:38]So, it was the people who would come?
[3:40]Yeah.
[3:42]So, at that time, so and so was coming at that time, sir?
[3:50]Either he would come down, or Sarah would come down, and at that time, I would go to the staff house, I would step out of the house, and he would take over anything.
[4:15]He would come downstairs, or...?
[4:16]Yes.
[4:16]Yeah, all single people.
[4:28]We have a manual, that everything has to be tidy in a certain way, so...
[4:34]Okay.
[4:39]If he was a resident, would there be certain girls coming by to go see him for massages?
[4:47]Yes, there would be.
[4:51]Okay.
[4:52]One in the morning, one in the night.
[4:53]His girlfriend?
[5:08]He would come into the house, he would, for some reason, he would pick up on a long list, I guess, a lot of people like to do those, because they are nice people, but they are nice people that can, you know, and then they will give massage sometimes to him.
[5:20]And they were nice, in the sense of, you know, I remember one that was slightly, she had to get pregnant, but she was living here on Beach Garden, I guess.
[5:32]And she was very nice, I mean, you think these people are, you know, in general, nice people, you know, I cannot say anything.
[5:41]Okay.
[5:42]Did they appear young to you?
[5:43]Yes, they were young, you know, that, you know, I never see anybody older than 28 or something like that.
[5:49]Anybody younger than 18?
[5:51]It's hard to say that, sir, you know.
[5:54]There were a lot of girls that they were very, very young, but, you know, for me to say they were minus, you know, you know, I never see the drug license to them, you know.
[6:05]Right.
[6:06]They appear very young, sir.
[6:07]Do you recall any of the names of the girls?
[6:09]I have two, three, I have some notes that I have in the manual, but I know who they are, and they're, some of them are living in town.
[6:24]In Palm Beach, or?
[6:26]In, um, some up west.
[6:28]Is that where it's at?
[6:31]I rent a car to a girl.
[6:34]Okay.
[6:35]I don't remember her, but I don't, to be honest with you, I don't remember, exactly.
[6:40]I, I have.
[6:41]Was there a car for her?
[6:42]I, yeah, I rented, he asked me to rent a car for her for him.
[6:44]You know what kind of car it was?
[6:45]It was a Dutch Neon.
[6:46]A Dutch Neon.
[6:47]What color?
[6:50]I think it was a blue Neon, from Dollar Rent-A-Car.
[6:52]From Dollar?
[6:53]Yes.
[6:57]It was my driving license, the one you saw.
[6:58]Right.
[6:59]Did you add that person as an additional driver, or?
[7:02]Um, what, yes.
[7:04]That person was an additional driver?
[7:06]Yes, exactly.
[7:07]Okay.
[7:08]Was this at the direction of Mr. Epstein?
[7:09]Yes.
[7:10]Okay.
[7:11]To Mr. Epstein.
[7:12]Whatever I do, it has to be with the blessing of his approval.
[7:13]Right.
[7:14]Do you remember?
[7:15]This was in January of 2005, because I had to go back then, because it was a rental
[7:16]company.
[7:17]They told me that the rental was expired, so I need to go and rent for another month.
[7:23]So she rent for another two weeks, I think.
[7:24]I know, but I mean, I probably have to sit down and do it.
[7:26]There's so many, but it came back to my head.
[7:32]How many girls, would you say, came to you?
[7:33]How many girls came to you?
[7:34]How many girls came to you?
[7:35]How many girls came to you?
[7:36]How many girls came to you?
[7:37]How many girls came to you?
[7:38]How many girls came to you?
[7:39]How many girls came to you?
[7:40]I tell you, his clients are usually four or five.
[7:56]And no bar, he was in residence.
[8:02]No but we were massage.
[8:08]The Seventine.
[8:12]I was away, I was supposed to only bar in, stuff house, and giveway to the chef, for
[8:18]the staff house.
[8:19]And we were supposed to strips around, and dishes around.
[8:21]Can you imagine?
[8:22]Well, the waiting time was order.
[8:22]OK.
[8:22]there because you know they go to the swimming pool you know they you know sometimes you are
[8:29]kind of shy to go and say you know so if he called me i will go in but you know they didn't do it
[8:35]put something on okay so they will go out to the pool yeah well this is the thing that we used to
[8:43]sneak because they are fine or they are okay once they leave you know it's like we are behind the
[8:47]scenes and that's a lot of people you know okay who is the chef then um david um david um he came
[9:00]from new york or with them oh it flies in with you and okay come over to do a massage you say
[9:25]it was twice a day when he was in town more in the morning when he had you know when he would
[9:29]leave the room would you go upstairs and straighten out yes did he have his massage table yes okay
[9:37]we put them away and we pick up the towels the small towels the massage oil was there anything
[9:49]else that you would have to
[9:50]pick up in the room uh everything that was on the floor but it includes that you know
[9:59]while coming in the room sometimes we used to find items that we're supposed to label
[10:03]where we found them and everything else that you know when these matches came to
[10:07]place we wanted those items to be returned but sometimes we were getting upset because
[10:17]we used to keep them in the laundry room for a while but nobody kind of when you cleaned the
[10:22]room was there other things that you would pick up uh aside from the massage stuff were there any
[10:29]so they were in the only one place i never find them would you have to pick those things up when
[10:40]he was done um no i never saw one in the floor okay there were only one place and i never see
[10:46]them out of there okay that's you know vibrators massagers well he had a lot of ideas for his body
[10:55]i presume that they were laying on all over the floor so we put up doors put in the rechargers
[11:01]you know and like i said there was procedures to do everything in place and you know try to press
[11:07]and that was a heavy job i have to say because it was their driving effort with departure from his
[11:16]from his employment was that a good thing i was doing that i was hired to be to have stuff and
[11:25]i think i was under stuff and he had his breakfast at 6 30 in the morning and sometimes he'd call me
[11:32]meal at 10 p.m or something like that so and the next day used to be you know early and i'm
[11:38]i'm a married man so my wife was in miami so i was looking forward to the day job i think after
[11:46]that you can help begin to with loyalty discretion you know and we have to
[12:02]yes i would say this is in front of you because uh and i know you're the law but we found that
[12:11]we signed that and i don't know if we have any repercussions for me i know you
[12:16]get linked to them i know when i was a peanut for today i tried to contact the
[13:11]blizzard and how did you know you know you would leave there they took back to the date and this
[18:53]because they're small but who wanted to
[19:13]hold on to them he doesn't mean anything he turned it into we put it in the laundry room
[19:24]but sometimes they were so busy and that was they came to the second and they stayed there for weeks
[19:28]but we mentioned that we found something that i knew we knew that that was going to affect her
[19:34]so sometimes we don't mention that but they were there if you asked what did you find
[19:38]they were there but you were trying to miss mackerel no no he didn't want to see that
[19:42]there are ever any men matushas that came to give him a massage the mr riley and the
[19:59]mr edson promised you anything or offer you any gifts in exchange not to speak to me he must offer
[20:07]you anything during your six months these how many times did you would you say yourself well
[20:22]yeah i agree with him you know because when the phone was ringing i was supposed to answer the
[20:26]phone and it's all because there's so many names i have to remember and they're in rotation
[20:35]so they traveled with him and then they came back so you should go to work and you know
[20:44]carry my checkbook and buy them and they will go on trips
[20:53]yeah he owns an island well yes
[21:32]well i would be talking to the chief pilot he will call me from the train
[21:35]and i said i needed two suburban two mercedes waiting in here at the range and he will go into
[21:45]it one mercedes he will drive himself with three girls and he goes and i will love him because you
[21:50]said i was supposed to follow him but he wouldn't go someplace and i followed with the rest of the
[21:53]girls and the baggage i didn't know how many were coming because i was another thing i need
[22:06]to prepare the meals there was a problem one time because i was by myself and he will give
[22:29]cash just to get into the safe and get you know that that was my my petty cash but only that you
[23:49]know when he left that that is that instance we they bring us in a collision course did you
[24:06]feel that they were masseuses people that you saw during your six to your six months uh how many
[24:18]of those would you say were not in the majority do you ever see any money in exchange for massages
[24:33]i will get out of the house and the threats in order or the system would that would pay things
[24:45]will leave the house right exactly that's exactly true you were given the cash but he would actually
[24:51]be the one that paid him i will take some of them because i will tell you i'm not he was shopping or
[24:56]doing something and she said i'll give this to susan or an x name to the 300 500 so i'll make
[25:03]envelopes my girls at the time i'll give them the cash and then they will distribute the money
[32:59]you don't have to call them you're under no obligation to call them you just say look i
[33:07]don't want to speak to you get off my property is it the same girl that you rented the car for