[0:09]all right i appreciate you coming down again the reason why i asked you to come down was that
[0:24]i am investigating a case in which my investigation believe i believe that you have information on
[0:32]jeff epstein okay okay first of all before we even begin let me just where you in okay you raise
[0:45]right hand for me you solemnly swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
[0:49]so i hope you got yes okay do you understand what i'm saying you know you're spanish i can speak
[0:55]spanish yeah okay first first of all do you remember jeff yeah okay it was an all brillo okay
[1:08]why don't you tell me from the beginning and how you met him okay um it was something in high
[1:14]school everybody was like trying to make money and at the time i had two jobs i guess not like
[1:22]two years ago right
[1:23]so about two years ago yeah when you first met him okay yeah yeah i was 17. what it what it is
[1:31]you were 17 then what is it that you were told you would have to do give him a massage okay
[1:39]okay uh who took you there um her name do you have any formal massage training
[2:10]no no did he took you there haley didn't take me there
[2:18]haley took one of my friends and then he was the one who took me because he couldn't take me okay
[2:25]faith faith pending segue okay when you got there what happened it seems really weird
[2:42]the whole situation there were more girls in the house and then they just tell me just go upstairs
[2:48]you know they showed me the room it was a massage room like like normal and then he came like you
[2:55]know and i give him a massage it was
[2:58]thing okay i've talked to a lot of girls and a lot of girls have told me different things
[3:05]okay so i'm very aware of what happens when you provide a massage okay yeah when you got to the
[3:17]house you went there yeah how did you come into the house do you remember what do you mean did
[3:28]you come into the front door did you come to the garage did you come well like when you go inside
[3:32]there's like the door i don't know if it's the front door i i don't know is it a wood door yeah
[3:39]it is a wood door yeah it's probably like the one it's probably the back because it goes to
[3:42]the kitchen okay so it goes through the kitchen yeah but into the kitchen right yeah who was in
[3:55]the kitchen there yeah okay i didn't remember like do you remember uh any of his assistants
[4:12]she's the one that
[4:14]met with and then it was a neat like one that called me and i told her that i wasn't gonna do
[4:19]it anymore i don't think her name is okay so when you come into the house and you go into the
[4:32]kitchen you meet with some people there who takes you yeah yeah then i tell sit down and everything
[4:39]i go and call jeffrey i that's what i was confused when you say jeff it's like i don't
[4:43]know any job and then she takes me upstairs i'm afraid to stay there
[4:50]and faces take it there like all the all the time when i'm upstairs okay okay so takes you upstairs
[4:58]here's the stairs yes okay do you recall anything weird when you were going up the stairs pictures
[5:11]pictures of what naked people naked people okay she brings you into this you said it was a massage
[5:23]room yeah okay is jeffrey already there no no oh i sit down there um she tells me just wait a second
[5:39]then she comes back and we put like the little bed for the massage and then she's like okay
[5:45]there's some lotion and he'll be right up okay then he comes in and he says okay this is oh then
[5:52]he knows my name already he's and then he's like okay just a massage okay when he came in
[6:02]was he in a towel was he in a room no he had like clothes he was he was running or something like
[6:09]that he had regular clothes on yeah he was running or something like that yeah regular clothes on yeah
[6:11]okay and he got on the table with the clothes on no he took his clothes off and he was like a towel
[6:19]he put a little towel over him okay so at any point did you see him naked
[6:24]no in the first time no okay so he lays on the bed on the massage bed with his towel and you
[6:33]start massaging him you know in the back and he said on his back on his legs okay how were you
[6:43]dressed when you were giving the massage when you were giving the massage when you were giving the
[6:44]massage oh it was in jeans and a t-shirt okay at any point did he ask you to remove your clothes
[6:56]yeah during the first massage yeah and i said no and you said no okay so you continue with the
[7:19]massage yeah it's kind of weird that he hasn't pulled my clothes off okay so take me through
[7:30]then from there you're doing the massage i did massage after i finished he was like okay here's
[7:35]him actually he paid me before i started doing the massage he paid you how much did he pay you two
[7:39]$200 at any time during you when you're giving him the massage. Did he ever turn over?
[7:52]Yeah on to his back
[7:55]Copping up to that. I'm a time like
[8:00]And it's just yeah, okay
[8:03]During the time that you're massaging him on his chest. Is he touching himself? Yeah, okay
[8:09]Explain explain that to me. Can you?
[8:12]Why would you know? You start getting a little excited a lot and you start touching himself and I Tony stop and that
[8:21]And that was say it that way okay?
[8:24]What do you mean by touching himself you mean he was masturbating okay?
[8:29]And you told him to stop now. I didn't stop
[8:33]Okay, so that's why you're rubbing chest. Did he ever take off his towel?
[8:53]Well, he had his hand
[8:57]So you never saw it?
[8:58]Did you ever see him? No. Not the first time. I saw him like the second time. Okay. Did you continue with your massage? What else happened after that? Nothing after that. I was finished after. Actually it was supposed to be an hour. But the first time it was just 30 minutes.
[9:31]Okay. The time you were rubbing his chest and he was masturbating, did he ever climax? Do you know what I mean by that? Yes. How did you end the massage? Did he just say that's enough? Yeah. Okay. So then you went back downstairs? Yeah. And I say to Faith, okay I'm done. And we left.
[10:04]Did he ever ask you to leave your telephone number to call you back if you wanted to work? Yes.
[10:21]He had faith for you?
[10:22]He had faith for your phone number. Okay. And did Faith give him your phone number? Did Faith get paid for taking you? Yes. How much did she get paid? $200. She got paid $200 for taking you as well. Okay. So tell me about the second time.
[10:43]The second time, I don't remember who took me. I never went by myself. I was just scared to go. But it was kind of like the same situation on the first one. But he offered me more money just to take my shirt.
[10:59]So you took your shirt off? No, he didn't do that. The second time. And he was the same. He did the same things. And then he took his towel off. Okay. And after he was done. He never got to the climax. I never saw him. You never saw him. Okay. You were going to live. That's how everything started. That's how everything started? Half of the school knows about it.
[11:35]Half of the school knows about it. Okay. Let me back you up for a second. You go the second time. Who calls you to go back to the house?
[11:42]Sarah calls you. And you make an appointment to go work? Yes. Okay. And the same thing. You go into the back door, into the kitchen area. You meet her. Yeah. And she takes me upstairs. She takes you upstairs. Okay. He offered you more money to get naked?
[12:05]Yeah.
[12:07]Wow. He told me to just...
[12:08]He just took my shirt off. Okay. He didn't say anything else. Okay. And did you? No. But that's not the only two times you've gone. You've gone more times. He was like around like three, four times. And then I just... I was just scared that he was going to do something.
[12:30]Did he ever photograph you? No. Now that I know. Did he ever take videos of you? No. Did you ever give the massage with any other woman? No. Okay. Did you ever get naked?
[12:48]Did you ever get naked while doing the massage? Any of the massages? Once. But it was in my underwear. It was never completely naked. Okay. You stayed in your bottom underwear? And my top. And your top. So you stayed in bra and pants. Okay. I think it was one that I took my bra off. Like I would say. And each time you went, did he offer you more monies to do more things? Yes. Actually, I knew that because of...
[13:20]I don't know how I was doing.
[13:22]Okay. Because she asked me, she said he offered me more monies if I have sex with him. And I said that's never going to happen. It's not what I'm going to do for monies. Okay. And by having sex, you mean intercourse or... Yes. I guess. I don't know. We never... I didn't like talking about it. Okay. The second time, did he offer you more monies to do more things? Yeah. A hundred dollars more just to take my shirt off. Okay.
[13:56]And you said you didn't do it. Okay. Did he masturbate on the second time? Yeah. And did he ever climax? Actually, the second time, like it wasn't that bad because he was like on the phone all the time. So he was like paying attention to what was going on. Okay. So did he ever at any point ever masturbate the second time? No. Not that I remember. Okay. Did he ever ask you any questions or speak to you or ask you anything?
[14:26]No. No. No. I think he was just like he was comfortable with the situation. Like what are you worried about? Like do you know how much do you make us worry? And then he started saying you can make more with me. And I didn't feel like it was right. Okay. Did he ever know your real age? After a while. Like because somebody told him. That you were 16, 17? Yeah. Well, he told us that we were supposed to say that we were 18. Okay. And who told you that?
[14:58]Who told you that?
[15:04]one who brought everything to everyone in the school and that's how we knew all about it and
[15:10]then she took me so each time did you go get monies for taking you or if she was going well
[15:21]she went with me twice i guess and i would say then i went she make money did make money for
[15:33]taking you to know i was taking her oh you were taking her you so you brought she knew
[15:39]and she asked me if i could tell her because she didn't know okay then i didn't get money
[15:44]okay um did anybody ever help you do a massage with him yeah i asked me to do it with her
[15:54]i know you don't feel comfortable okay all right talk to me about the third time you went
[16:03]i don't know
[16:03]i don't remember it's like it's kind of always it was the same it was the same it was the same
[16:09]time well i mean obviously more stuff happened because you know he paid you more to do more
[16:16]things right yeah the third time it was when i took my shirt off and i stayed with your bra or
[16:23]were you okay and then that was when he paid me 300 he paid you 300 for that okay and same thing
[16:32]yeah
[16:33]he came in was he naked again yeah okay you gave him a massage and at that point he was he still
[16:41]playing with himself yeah okay masturbating no if any point did he ever climax during this
[16:51]how would the massages end would he just say that's it that's enough
[16:57]yeah i mean if you just like stand up and take a shower and like grow my things and