[0:03]Yeah, I'm congested a little bit too. Today's date is January 19, 2006. The time that I watch is approximately 10.20 a.m.
[0:11]I am Detective Joe Ricciardo of the town of Palm Beach Police Department. Present with me is Detective Nick Caristo of the Palm Beach Police Department.
[0:19]We are at your date of birth is? You are a licensed massage therapist, correct?
[0:36]Yes.
[0:36]Okay. Obviously, I have explained to you our purpose of being here is that we are conducting an investigation involving a subject you may know as Jeffrey Epstein, who has a home in the town of Palm Beach.
[0:52]Obviously, through our conversation, you are very familiar with Mr. Epstein and his assistants.
[1:00]Before we begin, I'm going to raise your right hand. I ask you to raise your right hand.
[1:03]You found the choice to help you with the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you die?
[1:06]Yes.
[1:07]Okay.
[1:07]Okay. In your own words to you, describe to me how you met Mr. Epstein.
[1:15]I actually met his girlfriend's son first, and he got into the house and talked to her first, and then he said that we were there and met him.
[1:27]Okay. And where did this meeting occur at?
[1:29]My coach named him and said, they're looking for a house, and they answered the phone, and that kind of thing.
[1:37]I was at the entrance at first, but I was like, okay, fine.
[1:40]Okay.
[1:41]I was wondering if your house was just a second house.
[1:43]Okay.
[1:44]I don't know.
[1:44]What were you being paid, more or less, to answer the phone?
[1:47]20 bucks an hour.
[1:48]20 bucks an hour.
[1:50]That's not a decent amount.
[1:51]You're looking for a college, are you?
[1:52]No.
[1:54]You mentioned to me earlier that he helped you with your studies, financially with your studies.
[2:05]Would that be at CBAC, or would that be at...
[2:07]No, that was at the massage school.
[2:09]The massage school. Okay.
[2:12]Once you acquired your...
[2:14]Massage. License. Once you became a licensed massage therapist, that's when you began providing massages for Mr. Edson?
[2:22]Right. Like, before I, like I said, I was kind of hopping out and learning. Once I was licensed, then it was like, I was really starting to learn more and more often.
[2:31]Okay. So, you provided, like...
[2:33]You know, like, really could see how to put massages, and I just didn't really understand anything at the time.
[2:38]Okay. And you basically practiced, or got your training hours?
[2:41]Yes.
[2:43]Okay.
[2:43]Okay.
[2:44]Okay.
[2:44]I'm familiar with those, with those hands up that, I guess it's the school of arts over there in military, I guess, where you have to have so many hours, clinical hours, is what they call it, I guess.
[2:55]That's right.
[2:56]Okay. But it's similar.
[2:57]I think it's talking to you.
[2:58]Yes.
[2:59]You have your hands on, like...
[3:00]What they call training, or hands-on training.
[3:02]Mm-hmm.
[3:03]Okay.
[3:07]You mentioned that you did massages for other people in the house as guests, and you provided also massages for Jeff, right?
[3:25]You mentioned that you did massages for Jeff, right?
[3:27]Yes.
[3:27]Okay.
[3:28]And also for you.
[3:29]And also Ms. Maxwell Lewis, too.
[3:31]Yes.
[3:31]Okay.
[3:32]Um... There was no other male that you provided massages to at the house?
[3:37]No.
[3:38]No.
[3:38]Okay.
[3:39]Um... Explain to me, in your own words, how you were being notified to, uh, to go and do a massage.
[3:51]Um, it was different. Um...
[3:53]It was different.
[3:54]It wasn't really...
[3:55]It wasn't really how I found out.
[3:57]It was just...
[3:58]It wasn't really how I found out.
[3:58]Did you tell somebody to call me when he was coming, or...?
[4:00]Before he got here, or...?
[4:02]Before he got here.
[4:03]Sometimes... Sometimes the secretary called some of you up and said,
[4:07]Hey, Jeff is in your apartment this weekend.
[4:09]Yeah.
[4:10]Tell you it's going to be available.
[4:12]Or then maybe... maybe tell her, call me, hey, we just got here.
[4:15]Give me some other small money for something like that, you know?
[4:20]So you would go over and provide the massage, um...
[4:24]if anything, um, sexual occurred during the massages?
[4:31]Sometimes.
[4:32]Not every time.
[4:33]Yes.
[4:34]Sometimes, yes.
[4:35]Okay.
[4:36]Um, would he utilize his vibrator slash massager, um, during the massage?
[4:43]Sometimes.
[4:44]Um, and what I mean by that, would he utilize it on himself, or would he utilize that on
[4:49]you as you were providing the massage?
[4:51]Um, both.
[4:52]Would he...
[4:58]Did he ever touch your breast without the panties on?
[5:13]Usually, um, usually I always put the panties on.
[5:24]Were you topless at that point?
[5:25]Um, I guess not.
[5:26]I think that there have been times when I've had to, uh, put the panties on.
[5:30]That's between, uh...
[5:31]What do you mean about the rubbing of the chest?
[5:32]He was just asking me what his nipples were.
[5:33]What do you mean about the...
[5:34]Did you mean, um, masturbating?
[5:35]Right.
[5:36]Okay.
[5:45]Um, I know there's so many questions.
[5:46]Maybe you...
[5:49]And I know you're an adult, and it was consensual.
[5:50]Well, it depends on what in the world we talk about it, you know?
[5:54]It seems to happen, but we've never talked about it to anybody, so...
[5:55]Well, it depends on what in the world we talk about it, you know?
[5:56]It seems to happen, but we've never talked about it to anybody, so...
[5:57]Well, it depends on what in the world we talk about it, you know?
[6:11]I understand.
[6:12]And I know this may be a little difficult and embarrassing to talk about, but trust
[6:15]me, I've talked to a lot of people, and, um, these are pretty much pretty standard questions
[6:22]that I've been asked.
[6:23]Um, did he ever masturbate you while you were doing a, uh, massage?
[6:24]No.
[6:27]No.
[6:28]When he touched you in your vaginal area, did he ever insert his fingers inside you?
[6:29]No.
[6:30]No.
[6:31]Um, did he ever insert his fingers in your buttocks?
[6:32]No.
[6:33]Okay.
[6:34]Um, did he ever touch you in your vagina?
[6:35]No.
[6:36]Okay.
[6:37]Um, did he ever touch you in your vagina?
[6:38]No.
[6:39]Um, did he ever touch you in your vagina?
[6:42]No.
[6:43]No.
[6:44]Okay.
[6:45]Um, what would he wear when you were providing a massage?
[6:49]Nothing.
[6:50]Just a towel.
[6:51]Just a towel.
[6:52]Mm-hmm.
[6:53]Were there times that he ever removed it out?
[6:54]Um, not completely.
[6:55]Not completely?
[6:56]No.
[6:57]If he was the one who was masturbating, he still had it on.
[6:58]No, not, I mean...
[6:59]I mean...
[7:00]A massage therapist is a few steps back, right?
[7:01]He wasn't like, hey, yes, you're going to stay in this...
[7:02]I know, I know.
[7:03]It wasn't like, arrows pointing back.
[7:04]Um, did he ever receive gift from you?
[7:12]No.
[7:13]No.
[7:14]Um, did he ever touch you in your vagina?
[7:15]No.
[7:16]Um, did he ever touch you in your vagina?
[7:17]No.
[7:18]No.
[7:19]Um, did he ever touch you in your vagina?
[7:20]No.
[7:21]Um, did he ever touch you in your vagina?
[7:22]No.
[7:23]Yes.
[7:24]No.
[7:31]Yes.
[7:32]Yes.
[7:33]Yes.
[7:34]He didn't tell me that.
[7:38]No.
[7:39]Yeah.
[7:40]He didn't tell me that.
[7:41]He said a few weeks ago, he didn't tell me that.
[7:42]Um, did he ever receive gift from his resting or any of his other Christians?
[7:43]Yes.
[7:44]Um, I've gotten...
[7:45]He has been to me around 9, 10 stories, and 10 medicals because, no, um, but after a financial
[7:46]gift, he seems to be helping me out.
[7:47]Financially?
[7:48]Yes.
[7:49]He purged you to other people?
[7:50]He purged her, not one time.
[7:51]Not one time?
[7:56]That is sort of what it's getting at?
[7:57]Right, exactly.
[7:58]Yeah, one time.
[7:59]That one time?
[8:00]Right, exactly.
[8:01]I think they were turning out, then they were on ground, and then I think the second time,
[8:06]one of us was on the ground.
[8:10]I'm thinking that it's the same.
[8:12]Okay.
[8:13]In the freight control area?
[8:14]Yeah.
[8:15]Okay.
[8:16]You mentioned before you rented a car for you?
[8:19]Yeah.
[8:20]And your scooter broke down?
[8:21]Yeah.
[8:22]Did he help you buy the vehicle you're driving now?
[8:25]No.
[8:30]No.
[8:32]All right.
[8:33]Okay.
[8:34]So you didn't do anything inappropriate or anything like that that happened without your
[8:37]consent or your knowledge?
[8:38]Right.
[8:39]Yeah.
[8:40]Okay.
[8:41]All right.
[8:42]Well, at this time, I'm going to go ahead.
[8:43]I think we'll just go.
[8:44]At this time, I might watch this 1030.