[0:06]Can you raise your right hand here for me?
[0:08]You're right down in the square to sell the suits?
[0:10]The whole suits, they're nothing but the suits to help you guys?
[0:12]Yes.
[0:14]Alright, so tell me from the beginning as far as when you met Mr. Epstein.
[0:18]Um, as soon as Skip did, and then [Name Redacted] and [Name Redacted] were all just kids to his house,
[0:22][Name Redacted] and [Name Redacted] were kind of with him about something, and I was like, what are you guys talking about?
[0:26]And I hadn't really known them, I was kind of with the redneck crowd, there was a peppy girl crowd,
[0:30]and he was telling me about the style, and then he'd go and give him the sizes,
[0:34]and he'd pay them $200, so he'd give them that for an hour.
[0:36]And I was like, do you want to go through it?
[0:38]And I'm like, yeah, $200 for an hour, let's go.
[0:40]So I think about a week later, I had gone with him, and it was me and her in the room with him,
[0:46]and it was kind of weird, because he was naked, but he's a girl, he's always like that,
[0:50]don't worry about it, and then we just gave him the size, and he gave her $200,
[0:56]and he gave me $300, and he asked me to come back.
[0:58]So I told him, okay.
[1:00]And I came back about, probably about five or six times.
[1:04]Okay.
[1:05]He gave you $300 to do a massage, right?
[1:08]Mm-hmm.
[1:09]Okay.
[1:10]That was about a year ago?
[1:11]Yeah.
[1:12]Okay.
[1:15]Your approach about this fight was for nothing?
[1:23]Let's start back from the beginning on the massage.
[1:30]He was naked on the massage?
[1:32]Yes, but there was power over him.
[1:33]Okay.
[1:34]How were you dressed when you put fire on the massage?
[1:37]I was in a tank top.
[1:39]James in a tank top.
[1:40]At any time did he ask you to remove your clothing?
[1:43]He did.
[1:44]I did that at any time, but I didn't!
[1:45]Oh, I see.
[1:46]Okay.
[1:47]Okay.
[1:48]That was about the same time that I went there.
[1:49]And I gave him the size, and I was on my underwear.
[1:50]Just with your underwear.
[1:51]Okay.
[1:52]And then, that's why I stopped going because it started to feel uncomfortable
[1:55]just to fall back into the water.
[2:02]When you were given the massage, where did the massage take place?
[2:08]If you go upstairs into his bedroom, his bathroom, I guess,
[2:14]big room with a sauna and a shower, and then that.
[2:17]Okay.
[2:18]Was the table already set up?
[2:21]Sometimes it was already set up and then sometimes when we went up there, there was a little closet and a table in the closet and we had to bring it out and set it up.
[2:27]Did you set it up or did somebody else set it up for you?
[2:30]Sometimes it was already set up when we got there. Sometimes I had to set it up.
[2:34]Okay. How were you taken to the bedroom area?
[2:39]Usually would leave you up, but after you were there a couple times, you could still go on up.
[2:45]Okay. And you went, what, five to six times?
[2:48]Yeah.
[2:57]Get back to your first massage you gave. He was wrapped in a towel.
[3:02]Okay. At any time did he take off the towel?
[3:05]Only when he got up and put a rope around him.
[3:10]Okay. During the time that you were providing the massage, did he ever touch himself?
[3:17]No. He was laying on his stomach.
[3:19]Laying on his stomach the entire time?
[3:21]Yeah.
[3:22]Did he ever ask you to rub his chest?
[3:23]Yes.
[3:24]Okay.
[3:25]But not the first time?
[3:26]Not the first time. He just massaged his...
[3:28]His legs and his feet the first time.
[3:30]Feet and legs?
[3:31]He rubbed his back and then he rubbed his legs and his feet.
[3:34]Okay. So the first time he did the massage?
[3:38]Mm-hmm.
[3:39]Okay. All right. And you were completely clothed.
[3:45]Yes.
[3:49]Did he touch you during the massage?
[3:51]No.
[3:52]No. Was there any visor, vibrators?
[4:01]No.
[4:02]Was there anyone who introduced you to the massage?
[4:04]No. Just that he had like this massage thing for my back and body like he did for this time.
[4:09]That's it. Okay.
[4:10]It's not really that.
[4:12]Okay. When the... ...second time you went, how did you...how were you contacted?
[4:20]When he asked... ...when we went and he asked if I could come back, I had asked for my cell phone number.
[4:25]Okay.
[4:26]And he called me and told me that he was definitely wanting me to come back. And then I went down there.
[4:30]Okay. Do you recall when this was?
[4:33]No.
[4:34]I know it started about this time last year because I think about January is the last time I went when I met my boyfriend.
[4:43]And he didn't want me going down there.
[4:49]So January of this year was the last time you went?
[4:52]Yeah.
[4:52]Okay.
[4:54]All right.
[4:54]So she told you to come to the house to provide drugs to work.
[5:04]Did anything happen during that massage?
[5:09]No.
[5:11]The only thing he ever did was he tried to grab my butt.
[5:15]I told him I didn't feel comfortable with that.
[5:17]He always said that he didn't feel comfortable just to let him know.
[5:20]Was that on the second massage?
[5:22]No.
[5:23]Probably about towards the end because I was still trying to do the third massage.
[5:28]Okay.
[5:28]About the third massage.
[5:29]And that's when I whisked it in my bum and I do it.
[5:32]And then after that is when I started feeling uncomfortable with it because, you know,
[5:35]he wanted to take that off and he was, you know, and then just, he, I mean, he never
[5:40]said.
[5:41]He was like, you know, he never forced me to do anything because he was like, you know,
[5:43]try the top, you know, and I just didn't feel comfortable with it.
[5:46]Okay.
[5:47]So you were called both the first two times.
[5:52]Did he touch himself during the second massage?
[5:57]I guess, kind of.
[5:59]He would sometimes.
[6:00]What do you mean?
[6:01]Well, not, like, towards the end when I was in my brown underwear.
[6:05]Like, sometimes when I would be rubbing his chest, then he would.
[6:11]Did he do it on the second time he went?
[6:13]No.
[6:13]Okay.
[6:14]What was the third time he went?
[6:16]How, how were you contracted to go?
[6:18]When you got there, he asked you to remove your clothing?
[6:33]Yes.
[6:34]Okay.
[6:38]When you say panties, were they normal panties or were they?
[6:41]A thong.
[6:42]A thong.
[6:47]He provided the massage.
[6:49]Mm-hmm.
[6:50]And this was the first time that he, he had to rub his chest?
[6:53]Yes.
[6:54]Okay.
[7:00]While you were rubbing his chest, did he masturbate?
[7:03]Yes.
[7:04]Okay.
[7:07]This was towards the end.
[7:08]Okay.
[7:09]Towards the end of the massage.
[7:10]Towards the end of the massage?
[7:11]No, like, towards the, the last time I went there.
[7:12]Okay.
[7:13]But, yeah, I was towards the end of the massage also.
[7:14]Also.
[7:15]Do you want to have something to drink?
[7:16]No, I'm good.
[7:17]I'm good.
[7:18]Okay.
[7:19]I'm going to wash down my manners.
[7:20]I'm going to go to the bathroom.
[7:21]I'm like.
[7:26]Oh, okay.
[7:27]Um, do you know if he climaxed?
[7:28]I don't know.
[7:29]He also had the towel over him.
[7:30]He never removed the towel?
[7:31]No.
[7:35]Just by his breathing.
[7:36]I don't think that he did.
[7:37]But I never asked to read.
[7:38]Okay.
[7:39]Okay.
[7:40]Okay.
[7:41]Okay.
[7:49]Okay.
[7:50]Okay.
[7:51]Okay.
[7:52]Okay.
[8:03]I'm sorry.
[8:04]Do you have any information about what happened that day.
[8:05]Well, there was at night.
[8:06]The night I came in.
[8:12]It was at night.
[8:13]Oh.
[8:14]And I said masturbate...?
[8:15]Yeah.
[8:16]And climaxed?
[8:17]Yeah.
[8:18]Okay.
[8:21]Each time you went to the house, at what point did he try to escalate
[8:22]more than just a massage?
[8:23]Like, it was started out as normal.
[8:24]He's like, he'll sit and he'll talk to you and give you like, oh, well, come here
[8:25]and do this or do that.
[8:26]Like, if you told him no, he wouldn't, you know he would look a bit zeroed out.
[8:27]But if you told him he's not uncomfortable about anything, he wouldn't.
[8:28]When did he grab your butt up?
[8:29]I don't know.
[8:30]One of the times that he grabbed it was when I was pregnant.
[8:42]Okay. Did he ever grab more than just your buttocks?
[8:47]No. Because I'm really clear when he did that that I was very uncomfortable and I left.
[8:52]Okay. Did he ever touch your breasts?
[8:54]No.
[8:55]Okay. Did he ever touch your vagina area?
[9:01]No.
[9:02]Did he ever bring out any kind of sexual toys?
[9:08]No.
[9:16]When was the last time you were contacted by anybody that you had seen?
[9:20]The last time I went there because I told him that I wasn't coming back.
[9:24]Okay. So it's January 2005 approximately.
[9:27]Yeah.
[9:32]So the very last time you went, did he continue like when you were giving him a massage mass today?
[9:37]No. Because I was giving him a massage and I kept looking at a clock on the sink.
[9:42]And I kept looking at the clock and he was like, why does he keep looking at the clock?
[9:46]And I was like, I don't know. And I was like, because my boyfriend's waiting to come pick me up.
[9:50]And he was like, well, he's making me enjoy my massage right now.
[9:54]He's like, you're not supposed to look at the clock.
[9:56]And I was like, well.
[9:57]And he was like.
[9:58]So if you don't want to do this, then you don't have to do it.
[10:00]And that's when I told him I was like, I was like, well, I don't want to come back anymore because I really don't feel comfortable.
[10:05]And, you know, my boyfriend really didn't like that I said it to him yet.
[10:09]And then that was it. And I haven't broken from him since.
[10:13]At that point, $300, did he ever offer you more money?
[10:16]No. He gave me money for Christmas.
[10:19]He, um, when he knew me, I think it was like $200 as a Christmas present.
[10:24]But other than that, that's it.
[10:31]For last Christmas?
[10:32]Yeah.
[10:50]Did he take anybody to the house?
[10:52]No.
[10:53]Nobody to the house.
[10:55]Okay.
[10:58]Was there anybody else in the room when you were providing the massage?
[11:02]No.
[11:03]No other assistants?
[11:08]No.
[11:09]Okay.
[11:10]Um, did he ever offer you money to, um, go further than just a massage?
[11:20]No.
[11:21]Okay.
[11:22]Um, how old were you when you first went there?
[11:25]Was the massage naked or?
[11:47]No. They just told me that we were going to do it myself.
[11:50]Um, you were attending at the time?
[12:03]Kind of. I kind of dropped out, like, in the middle.
[12:09]Did you ever finish school?
[12:10]No, actually. There's more after my TB test.
[12:13]Good luck with that.
[12:14]Thank you.
[12:15]Um.
[12:16]I fell in love, moved to Jupiter, it's going to last forever. Blah, blah, blah.
[12:20]This is the guy that didn't want you going back anymore?
[12:24]Yeah.
[12:25]You guys aren't together anymore?
[12:27]No.
[12:28]It's not for mom. We were, we got engaged. We were together off and on for nine years, so.
[12:33]I guess the best thing you did was have you stop going.
[12:40]Yeah.
[12:41]Um, is there anything else that you'd like to add?
[12:44]Um, no. I actually have some questions, though. Like, what's going on with this?
[12:49]Well, this is an ongoing investigation. We received a complaint and we're following it up.
[12:54]Um, obviously, um, based on the questions that I've asked you, you can pretty much tell
[13:02]what this is entitled.
[13:03]Yeah.
[13:04]You know, what this is going to entail.
[13:05]Is Jeff going to testify?
[13:06]Not at this time. Um, but this is an ongoing investigation, so I would appreciate that
[13:12]if anybody contacts you. I know that friends have been calling each other and telling them,
[13:16]oh my God, there's a cop here, or whatever, asking questions.
[13:19]So, what's the news in this little town?
[13:22]Well, I would appreciate it if you didn't, you know, say anything about what we discussed.
[13:26]Yeah.
[13:27]Especially if someone calls you, or, uh, anybody else calls you. Um, you know.
[13:30]You could say that I was here, and if they have any questions, they can give me a call.
[13:35]Um, obviously, if anybody from the, um, Jeffrey's house calls you, I'd also appreciate it if you'd call back and let me know.
[13:42]Okay.
[13:43]Okay?
[13:44]All right.
[13:45]All right. At this time, I'm going to go ahead and conclude the tape. The time on my watch is 1245.