[0:34]Okay, thank you. Also present is...
[0:36]Yes.
[0:38]...Dr. McCarrick.
[0:40]We're here to talk to you about what happened while you were at a residence owned by a gentleman named Jeff Epstein.
[0:47]Now, I don't know if you know him by his full name or where he went, but...
[0:50]I don't know him by his first name.
[0:51]...of Jeff.
[0:52]No.
[0:53]If you could first start by, if you remember exactly when this happened, to some extent, and maybe...
[0:58]This was, like, months and months and months ago when Jeff met him, and that's the only reason why I found out who he was.
[1:04]I was just going over it a few times with him.
[1:07]Mm-hmm.
[1:08]I don't know.
[1:09]So how many times do you think they were over each other?
[1:11]Once.
[1:12]Once.
[1:13]You say it was months and months ago. Think about the holidays. Was it January, February? Was it even before that?
[1:19]I can't remember, because I don't know them, and I don't keep track of...
[1:25]It was just, like, a friend of hers, and I don't keep track. I keep on...
[1:30]I really don't. It wasn't around a holiday.
[1:34]I can't...
[1:34]I can't remember.
[1:34]I can't remember.
[1:35]I can't remember the days that he's been with her. That was, like, seven months ago.
[1:38]Mm-hmm.
[1:39]So it's probably before then.
[1:40]Yeah, because I'm not even friends with her.
[1:42]Right.
[1:42]She just called me out of the blue and said, oh, yeah, you had to say something.
[1:44]We were with her. We actually asked her to call because...
[1:49]Yeah.
[1:49]She probably knocked on the door and really scared the heck out of me. We figured this was a little...
[1:53]Yeah. I mean, hit me at least. Yeah.
[1:55]50 minutes to take a deep breath, right?
[1:57]So that's why she called you, and I'd like to make it clear that, you know, we would have been here regardless of, you know, the couple hours we just spent.
[2:04]I just want to make that clear that we were coming here anyway.
[2:09]The question is, okay, so what happened?
[2:11]If you could at least remember the... not even the date, but what were the other events that happened that particular day?
[2:16]Do you remember what transpired?
[2:17]I just sat there in the kitchen.
[2:19]Mm-hmm.
[2:19]That's all.
[2:21]Did you go upstairs with Jeff at all?
[2:23]Mm-mm.
[2:24]There was a couple girls there, but they lived there.
[2:26]Mm-hmm.
[2:27]There was a young girl.
[2:29]Actually, like, a lot of them... I don't know. I don't know who lived there.
[2:32]There was a couple people there. Like, there was this Jeff, and then...
[2:36]Like, there were girls. I don't know if they lived there or not. I don't know if they lived there or not.
[2:41]When you went there, who drove?
[2:44]I don't know.
[2:45]Right. Was there anybody else in the car with you at that point?
[2:48]No.
[2:48]So it was the two of you and Olivia?
[2:49]Yeah.
[2:51]What happened when you got there? Do you remember? Did you get let in? Did Jeff, you know...
[2:55]No, not.
[2:56]No, no.
[2:57]Okay, so you knocked off. You went to the front door.
[2:59]Okay.
[3:00]And who greeted you, I guess, when you got there?
[3:04]The chef.
[3:05]The chef.
[3:05]The chef was in the kitchen.
[3:07]Sometimes...
[3:07]Sometimes the girls would walk by, I guess.
[3:10]So what... So you said you were in the kitchen. What happened? Did...
[3:14]Did you go there? Did...
[3:17]So you went there... How long did you go there?
[3:19]Well, she was fun. She was fun to her kind of deal. I don't know.
[3:21]She would, like, have a conversation. We had a conversation with one of the girls.
[3:24]Very nice of her. One of them was, like, a model, I think.
[3:27]And we were just sitting there in a corner having a conversation with her.
[3:30]Mm-hmm.
[3:32]Did... Were you there together pretty much the whole time?
[3:36]Yeah.
[3:37]And we were, like, there for, like, 20 minutes.
[3:39]And during the time you were there, were you both together the whole time?
[3:42]Oh, yeah.
[3:44]So you never went upstairs?
[3:45]Yeah.
[3:46]Could you describe the house for me at all from what you remember from the inside?
[3:50]I don't... The kitchen is, like... I don't know, because I've never been throughout the whole house.
[3:55]Mm-hmm.
[3:56]What is it like?
[3:57]You walk in. It's, like, a glass door.
[4:01]You walk in, and then, like...
[4:05]Okay, like, the stove and everything, like, the big stove is, like, on the left-hand side.
[4:09]And then it's, like, the back door.
[4:11]And then, like, there's a...
[4:13]I don't know if it's a staircase or another room.
[4:15]And then you have your back patio that stays with you.
[4:20]So did you come in through the front door and then through the kitchen,
[4:22]or did you come in through the back way and then right into the kitchen?
[4:24]It was really because, like, inside the house, like, we never went through a front door.
[4:28]It was just, like, a gate.
[4:29]Like, you go through a gate.
[4:31]Mm-hmm.
[4:32]And you kind of pulled up in the...
[4:33]Yeah, in the driveway.
[4:34]Um, was there ever an indication, honestly, that somebody would go...
[4:42]Had to go upstairs just to show up?
[4:47]You didn't go up with Jeff at all, right?
[4:50]No.
[4:51]Not giving him a massage?
[4:52]Uh, no.
[4:53]Okay.
[4:53]Um, I need to ask any of you specifically why I'm here.
[4:56]Okay.
[4:57]Um, so at no time, you know, you didn't touch Jeff?
[5:01]Did you even see him?
[5:03]I saw him.
[5:03]Okay.
[5:04]When did you see him?
[5:05]What transpired that when you talked to him, or what happened?
[5:08]Well, he came downstairs.
[5:09]Mm-hmm.
[5:10]He's an older guy.
[5:11]Right.
[5:13]So he comes down, and you're hanging out about 20 minutes?
[5:16]Well, I wasn't hanging out with him.
[5:18]I was talking to the girls.
[5:18]Mm-hmm.
[5:19]They were talking in the room.
[5:20]You know, what was the purpose?
[5:21]What the drive over there was?
[5:23]I mean...
[5:24]Yeah, I don't know.
[5:25]You were just hanging out with him?
[5:26]Yeah.
[5:27]He said he'd take a drive?
[5:27]Yeah.
[5:27]He had a lot of best friends back in the day.
[5:29]He was in that a lot.
[5:31]So, um, she knew him.
[5:32]Mm-hmm.
[5:33]I'm not going to say anything, but I don't want to get her in trouble and her calling me up.
[5:37]Mm-hmm.
[5:37]Well, don't worry about getting anybody else in trouble.
[5:40]Okay.
[5:40]You need to be honest, though.
[5:41]I'm being completely honest, but I don't want, you know, her calling me up.
[5:44]Well, don't worry about it.
[5:46]The only reason why she called you today...
[5:48]The only reason why she called you today is we asked her.
[5:50]We were with her.
[5:51]And?
[5:52]Again, we would have called you.
[5:53]We would have came here.
[5:54]We would have not sent you to work.
[5:55]Unannounced.
[5:56]I'm not getting you into this.
[5:57]No, no, no.
[5:58]I'm not getting you into this.
[5:59]See, that's what I'm saying.
[6:00]That's what...
[6:00]It's difficult, you know, with, you know, a group of girls.
[6:03]Because I've had a lot of girls who have gone over there.
[6:05]And...
[6:05]Yes, there are.
[6:07]Yeah.
[6:07]And we really...
[6:08]During our conversation with...
[6:10]You were going back to school.
[6:12]And that is why...
[6:13]Yeah.
[6:13]And, actually, we wanted to make sure that we talked to the playboy.
[6:17]Because we don't want to talk to anybody...
[6:18]Actually, somebody else was back.
[6:20]It was you.
[6:20]Yeah.
[6:20]Someone was different.
[6:21]Um, we just wanted to make sure that we spoke to everybody that we took as soon as we could.
[6:26]Because we realize that once we talk to somebody, everybody's going to know.
[6:30]And everybody's going to talk to us.
[6:31]Okay?
[6:32]We have every reason to believe that...
[6:34]My understanding is something probably happened.
[6:38]And I'm not going to be...
[6:39]I'm going to be very blunt with you.
[6:40]It's my understanding that, more than likely, most of the girls who go there have gone upstate and given them a massage.
[6:46]Okay?
[6:46]I'm just being honest with you.
[6:47]Can you let me know something?
[6:48]Did you just let me know something?
[6:49]That's what I'm getting at.
[6:50]Yes.
[6:51]And that...
[6:51]You would have been the victim of somebody who got you there under semi-false pretenses.
[6:55]And once you got upstairs, Jeff might have taken advantage of you.
[6:59]No.
[6:59]Did you ever touch me?
[7:00]He's never touched me.
[7:01]I'm...
[7:02]I just want to make sure.
[7:03]I want you to be honest with him.
[7:05]No!
[7:06]I'm sitting here.
[7:07]You should not be honest.
[7:10]Oh, it's true.
[7:13]Let me...
[7:14]Let me say this.
[7:15]As difficult as this is, and unfortunately for us, we have to be here doing this.
[7:19]You have every reason to believe that there are girls out there who are 16 or younger
[7:24]who are going there now, who are being, you know, brought there by other people.
[7:28]And we are trying very hard to make sure that nobody else gets hurt.
[7:32]Okay?
[7:33]That is our goal.
[7:33]And I'm sorry that, you know, you're involved in this in any way.
[7:36]I don't want to talk to you.
[7:37]I don't want anything to do with her.
[7:39]You're not going to have anything to do with her.
[7:40]Okay?
[7:41]Please understand.
[7:42]The 30-second phone call you just had is your last contact with her.
[7:45]Okay.
[7:46]So this isn't getting back to her.
[7:47]No.
[7:47]So I don't want phone calls.
[7:48]No, no, no, no, no, no.
[7:50]So y'all are...
[7:51]...full of people that we need to interview.
[7:55]We have three file...
[7:55]We've been going on it for many months.
[7:58]...honest investigations.
[8:00]We're out here in the acres.
[8:02]And if we get done at 11 o'clock in the day tonight and then we start again at 8 o'clock in the morning,
[8:07]you know, we're going to make...
[8:09]We're going to be doing this.
[8:10]Okay?
[8:10]We have a lot of young women...
[8:12]Yeah.
[8:12]And you know who that is?
[8:13]Mm-hmm.
[8:14]Oh, yeah.
[8:14]We're with the Palm Beach Police Department.
[8:16]Oh, we're with the Palm Beach Police Department.
[8:18]We're following up on this.
[8:20]And we've had things for several months.
[8:24]We're here because...
[8:25]One, two, three, four.
[8:25]We're talking to all the girls.
[8:27]We knew that, you know, teenage girls are teenage girls.
[8:30]You're pissed at Taylor.
[8:31]You're going to be pissed at it.
[8:32]Because for no other reason than she took you there.
[8:35]Anybody else who you might know is gone there, as much as I'm going to ask you not to talk to them tonight,
[8:40]the reality is, you know, as much as I can only plead with you not to tell anybody that we're coming,
[8:45]you know, you will or somebody will.
[8:48]And in 36 hours, everybody's going to know that the police are going to have to be in jail.
[8:52]Well, at least the girls that we want to talk to.
[8:54]I've been, you know, in investigations now for, like, 12 years.
[9:01]I've sat down with, you know, 8-year-old little kids and, you know, 12-year-old victims.
[9:06]And it's not fun.
[9:07]And it's not fun in front of your parents.
[9:09]But I really, my goal today is to stop what's happening there from happening to anybody else.
[9:14]Yeah.
[9:15]And it's my understanding of all the people that may have been taken there that you didn't want to be there and you got out of the situation.
[9:22]Okay?
[9:23]Okay.
[9:23]Now, I really...
[9:25]And there's no easy way to ask this.
[9:27]If you went upstairs and anything happened, we really wouldn't ask you that.
[9:31]I know.
[9:32]You know?
[9:33]No.
[9:34]Okay.
[9:34]No.
[9:35]You know, I'm not going to force you to make a statement to me.
[9:38]But I'm asking you honestly.
[9:40]My goal is not to be so early and make you feel like you're not,
[9:43]but to really just stop what I believe is an ongoing problem there that I want to solve.
[9:47]Yeah.
[9:48]And I want to hear that.
[9:51]And I don't know.
[9:52]I don't know.
[9:53]I haven't talked to her.
[9:54]I haven't talked to him.
[9:55]And I don't know.
[9:56]He's going over there.
[9:56]I don't know.
[9:57]I know what they're asking me.
[10:00]I'm just trying to say I haven't...
[10:02]I haven't heard from him.
[10:03]I haven't heard from him.
[10:03]So you're going to stay down there in the kitchen?
[10:05]Yeah.
[10:05]You're going to run upstairs?
[10:06]Correct.
[10:07]And as we have, I haven't heard from him in a while.
[10:11]So I don't know.
[10:13]I mean...