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      "text": "We're continuing the proper interview with Ms. Maxwell.",
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      "text": "The time is 11.07 a.m. on Thursday, July 24th.",
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      "text": "All right.",
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      "text": "So just picking up where we just stopped, so you have basically a break.",
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      "text": "Well, not a break, that's the wrong word,",
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      "text": "but your relationship with Mr. Maxwell, professional and other changes in 2003, 2004?",
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      "text": "Well, yeah, I mean, over the time that I stay with Ted,",
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      "text": "that's what you're talking about?",
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      "text": "I am.",
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      "text": "Okay, go ahead.",
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      "text": "So I had...",
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      "text": "Well, were you part of that investigation?",
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      "text": "The FBI never talked to you?",
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      "text": "As far as you know, did the government, either state or federal, subpoena your bank records",
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      "text": "Did they subpoena anything from your financial life during that time, during that time?",
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      "text": "Now, if they did, I don't know it, and I have no idea about that, to be honest, but I'm",
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      "text": "not aware of it, and I would say no, but maybe you guys do things that I don't know.",
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      "text": "So how did you learn of that case when Mr. Epstein was arrested, or did you know that",
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      "text": "something was happening before then?",
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      "text": "The first thing I knew was he had told me he was deciding to...",
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      "text": "But that time, are you doing, are you, like, he tells you because he wants your help, or",
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      "text": "had your relationship changed by this time where you were no longer kind of acting as",
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      "text": "his general manager?",
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      "text": "No, I was, I was still around.",
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      "text": "I wasn't gone.",
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      "text": "you know, like, like I felt he had with Eva, if I'm honest.",
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      "text": "So, so he says to you he's going to redecorate the Palm Beach house.",
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      "text": "So, maintaining relationships with people who worked for him, I'm not.",
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      "text": "time, but I think I recommended Mark Zeff at that time.",
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      "start": 206.15,
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      "text": "Who?",
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      "text": "Mark Zeff.",
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      "text": "I believe.",
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      "text": "And, I don't know why.",
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      "text": "That's all lost to time.",
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      "text": "But, anyway, at some point, I think his mother had died now.",
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      "text": "But, I ended up in Palm Beach, and he had asked me to come and look at the swatches",
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      "text": "or whatever he was doing, because they had laid it all out over the house and various",
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      "text": "things, and I think he'd asked for my opinion.",
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      "text": "It may also be that Ted and I were going to Palm Beach because Ted had a golf match or",
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      "text": "It wasn't so leaf.",
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      "start": 246.7,
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      "text": "I don't, maybe that's not true either.",
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      "start": 249.7,
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      "text": "Anyway, I was there.",
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      "text": "No, that's not how that happened.",
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      "start": 267.94,
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      "text": "At some point in 2005, I think that was.",
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      "text": "And then, I believe, I don't remember.",
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      "start": 287.1,
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      "text": "Or you think you were just told by somebody that knew that it happened?",
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      "start": 290.22,
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      "text": "Or don't you remember?",
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      "text": "Definitely not him.",
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      "start": 293.0,
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      "start": 295.06,
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      "text": "So, when that happens, whenever it was, that's kind of the first time you know that Mr.",
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      "text": "Epstein's being investigated for...",
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      "start": 306.48,
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      "text": "I didn't have a context for that.",
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      "start": 312.58,
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      "text": "I was like, that's weird.",
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      "text": "After you find out about it, what happens with your relationship with him?",
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      "text": "I asked him what was going on.",
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      "text": "And he said, not to worry.",
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      "start": 328.18,
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      "text": "Take care.",
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      "start": 328.7,
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      "start": 329.84,
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      "text": "And I thought, well...",
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      "start": 339.84,
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      "text": "Well, why don't we come back to more specific...",
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    {
      "start": 343.76,
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      "text": "Specifics around that time period in a few minutes.",
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      "start": 346.64,
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      "text": "I want to just finish this opening part.",
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      "start": 349.24,
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      "text": "So, that case goes on.",
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      "start": 352.04,
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      "text": "Ultimately, it ends.",
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      "text": "What was your relationship like with him during that case?",
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      "text": "You know, when he gets sentenced?",
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      "start": 368.08,
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      "text": "I was like, well, okay.",
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      "start": 369.64,
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      "text": "And he goes, I'd like you to stay on board.",
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    {
      "start": 373.38,
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      "text": "To men.",
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    {
      "start": 373.76,
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      "text": "To manage the properties, the animals, this and that.",
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