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Filing # 201688170 E-Filed 07/01/2024 01:52:43 PM
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT
OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA
Case No. 50-2019-CA-014681-AG
CA FLORIDA HOLDINGS, LLC,
Publisher of THE PALM BEACH POST,
Plaintiff,
VS.
ABRUZZO, as Clerk and Comptroller
of Palm Beach County, Florida,
Defendants.
ORDER GRANTING PLAINTIF ASI° 41 9C RECONSIDERATION2 RDER
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OF THE TRIAL COU FEBRUARYNOF2R 4 ORDER
AND AND CA G V 8. 2024 HEARING
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THIS CAUSE, having c e the Court on The Palm Beach Post's Motion for c a)F
Reconsideration of The Trial C ' ebruary 29, 2024 Order, filed on June 12, 2024, and the
Court, having considered otion, being advised of the arguments of the parties, and being
otherwise advi o e premises, the Court Grants the Motion for Reconsideration and adjudicates
the follow'
Procedural Ilistory
In 2019, The Palm Beach Post commenced this action seeking a declaration authorizing
the release of testimony and related evidence presented to the Palm Beach County grand jury in
2006 during the first Jeffrey Epstein ("Epstein") sex abuse investigation.
FILED: PALM BEACH COUNTY. FL. ABRUZZO. CLERK. 07/01/2024 01:52:43 PM
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On December 21, 2021, the trial court entered a Final Judgment dismissing The Palm
Beach Post's First Amended Complaint on the grounds that the Court lacked the statutory
authority, under Florida Statute 905.27, to order the release of the Epstein grand jury materials.
On May 10, 2023, the Fourth District Court of Appeal remanded the case to the Circuit
Court to conduct an in camera inspection of the Epstein grand jury materials to dete ne whether
public disclosure would be "furthering justice" as defined by Florida Statute
The Court ultimately determined the request did not further j
existed at the time. The Court stated that it must follow the law and
making is a process that belongs exclusively to the people
their legislature and the executive branches. This co c4cN v
Courts interpret law - THE COURTS DO NOT tic
wit t an amendment to the statute, It is also important to note, th
s r the law as it
create new law. Law
when they speak through
imentary and basic civics. The
Grand Jury
proceedings are generally always I and are closed to the public. This is generally to
protect jurors, witnesses, tho and the integrity of the case. Secrecy allows people to
serve as jurors and witn zto testify without fear of outside influence or retaliation. In some oc or
cases, it also ens
likely that a
apply
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p ction of an innocent suspect's reputation. Secrecy also makes it less
ill abscond after learning they are being investigated. While those do not
the law at the time did not carve out an exception.
During this time, among others, the Clerk of Court, Mr. Abruzzo, a former state
legislator with vast experience in the legislative process, advocated to state legislators to amend
the law. Their efforts were successful. Florida's Legislature unanimously passed Bill KB 117.
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Once the bill passed both of the legislative houses, the Governor of Florida Ron DeSantis
very quickly signed CS/HBI17 amending Florida Statute 905.27 effective July 1, 2024. This
amendment significantly modified the definition of "furthering justice" to expressly include
furthering a public interest when the disclosure is requested pursuant to paragraph 905.27(2)(c).
It cannot be understated that the amendment to the law very clearly allows what previously was
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The Court's Order denying the release of the records also gave leav oSCfor The Palm
Beach Post to file a motion for reconsideration after July I, 2024 - er thg new statute.
not legally permissible.
On June 12, 2024, The Palm Beach Post moved fo eration of the Trial Court's
order based on the Florida Statute 905.27, as amended. 2024.
It cannot be disputed that the 2024 ame Florida Statute 905.27 were intended to
remove the prior statutory hurdles to di su the Epstein grand jury materials. In fact, the
Court notes the bill was often calle tein Grand Jury Bill" recognizing the prior statutory
construction did not allow release of th e records.
In the official pres e, Gov. DeSantis explained his reasons for signing of CS/HB 117
into law. Gov. tis stated, "The public deserves to know who participated in the Jeffery
Epstein se ng. Nobody should be protected from facing justice due to their wealth, or
status, e who harm children should be exposed and punished to the fullest extent of the
law."
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Conclusions of Fact and Law
Florida Statute 905.27(2)(c) now reads as follows:
When a court orders the disclosure of such testimony pursuant to subsection (I) in
response to a request by the media or an interested person, regardless of whether
that purpose is for use in a criminal or civil case, it may be disclosed so long as the
subject of the grand jury inquiry is deceased, the grand jury inquiry related to
criminal or sexual activity between the subject of the grand jury investigation and
a person who was a minor at the time of the alleged criminal or sexual activit the
testimony was previously disclosed by a court order, and the state at is
provided notice of the request. This paragraph does not limit the cou ility o
limit the disclosure of testimony, including, but not limited to, reds
With that new legal mechanism in place, the Court makes the calls findings.
The Court finds that the request involves a matter ub lc interest. The criminal 4 14
prosecutions of the most infamous pedophile in America t o i ) gan in Palm Beach County —
ct,with much controversy. For almost 20 years, the s< Jeffrey Epstein victimized some of
SPalm Beach County's most vulnerable has n e ubject of much anger and has at times
diminished the public's perception of min justice system.
Adding to the public in tein is indeed notorious and infamous and is widely
reported to have flaunted his we hile cavorting with politicians, billionaires, and even British
Royalty. It is understands e at given those reports the public has a great curiosity about what
was widely re ews agency as "special treatment" regarding his prosecution. This matter
Afeis clearly of public interest.
Th ourt finds that this request is made by the news media, specifically The Palm Beach
Post. The Palm Beach Post is a daily newspaper that was founded in 1916 as a local publication
in West Palm Beach. For decades, the Palm Beach Post was printed and published daily in Palm
Beach County. The Court finds that despite its many changes, The Palm Beach Post has a long and
rich history documenting our local community. Many local residents still rely on The Palm Beach
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Post to obtain information on national, state, and local events. The Palm Beach Post remains a
newspaper of record in our county.
The Court finds Epstein is also widely reported to have been deceased since August 10,
2019, under controversial and "newsworthy" circumstances, while under "supervision" at
Metropolitan Correctional Center in the state of New York. This adds to the public i rest. As Having reviewed the testimony, the Court also finds the testimony rela sexu 1 activity
between Epstein and child victims of sex trafficking. Again, it is wide that Epstein is
a notorious and serial pedophile. The testimony taken by the Grand J co cerns activity ranging
from grossly unacceptable to rape — all of the conduct at issp ally deviant, disgusting, and
criminal.
The details in the record will be outra ent people. It is also important to note
that some of the testimony in the records ps 's pedophilia involved other people, but there
is nothing in this record that was u i he knowledge of law enforcement or Prosecutors
— there is no new informationC
Tragically, the rec veals that Epstein used children to find more victims. The record
also shows that s r of the children knew the type of people they could be exposed to and the
infamous .uch "notable" people.
ourt also notes the testimony was previously disclosed to law enforcement agencies.
Furthermore, the State Attorney was properly noticed and long ago withdrew any objections to
release the records and early on even did his best to disclose the information in his office's
possession without delay via an internet portal. As a result, he was eventually dropped as a named
party in this action after much inconvenience and expense.
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IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDED,
IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED,
The Motion for Reconsideration is GRANTED.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDED,
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The hearing scheduled for July 8, 2024 is moot and is canceled.
The Palm Beach Post's petition to release the Grand Ju prongs regarding Jeffery
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Epstein under Florida Statute 905.27 as amended July I, 2t ick)
With only a few redactions made by the
The Court hereby authorizes the Clerk of Cou s
of the testimony in their entirety (attac E S bit "A"). The Court is not aware of anything t e
more to review and disclose. S
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DONE and ORDERE
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li ofect the identity of the minors
the redacted Clerks Notes and transcripts
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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE
FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA
GRAND JURY PROCEEDINGS
464,r(IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN)
ON BEHAL
BARRY KR
State
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STATE:
ESQUIRE
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ixie Highway
Beach, Florida 33401
NNA BELOHLAVEK, ESQUIRE
and
MARY ANN DUGGAN, ESQUIRE
Assistant State Attorneys
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23 Wednesday, July 19, 2006
Grand Jury Room
24 Palm Beach County Courthouse
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7 JOE RECAREY (Recalled)
8 GREGORY PARKINSON
9 JOE RECAREY(Recalled)
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1 BE IT REMEMBERED that the following
2 proceedings were had at the Palm Beach County
3 Courthouse, located in the City of West Palm
4 Beach, State of Florida on Wednesday, July 19,
5 2006 beginning at 9:14 a.m. with appearances as
6 hereinbefore noted, to wit:
7 THEREUPON:
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MS. DUGGAN: Everybody dy?
(WITNESS JOE RECAR
Would raise your
right hand. Do yo r or affirm that
about to give today
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he truth, so help you God?
TNESS: I do.
16 "t. DUGGAN: Please have a seat.
17 V THE WITNESS: Thank you.
18 t ar' EXAMINATION
19 Y . BELOHLAVEK:
20 Q. Good morning.
21 A. Good morning.
22 Q. Detective Recarey, could you introduce
23 yourself, please?
24 A. My name is Detective Joe Recarey with Palm
25 Beach Police Department.
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1 Q. Okay. What is your position there?
2 A. I am a detective in the special
3 investigations unit.
4 Q. What do you investigate in special
5 investigations?
6 A. Long term investigations, financial crimes,
7 ilIllicollar crimes, just about any -- kind of
8 crimes.
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9 Q. Okay. Ones that are goi or a long
10 period of time though, usuall ?
11 A. Correct, long peri
12 Q. Not a murder t pened last night?
13 A. Right.
14 Q. Okay. become involved in an
15 investigati r case number 0500368?
16 A. Tkfat i%fcorrect.
17 Q Whew did you become involved in this?
18 icA. \,In Sep -- in September of 2005.
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20 ILAve sstigating this case before then?
2 ÷ 1 A. That is correct. Her name was Michele
22 Pagan.
23 Q. Okay. And she, at some point, turned it
24 over to you?
25 A. Correct.
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1 Q. Have you familiarized yourself, either
2 speaking with Detective Pagan or going through her
3 reports, as to what was done when she was the
4 detective on the case?
5 A. Yes, I have.
6 Q. Okay. How did this case come to the
7 attention of the Palm Beach Police Depa ent?
8 A. On March 14, 2005 a phone ca s received
9 from , who felt th e was a --
10 some sexual activity had occurr ith the her
11 daughter.
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15 Q. Okay who was her daughter?
16 A. H r s daughter is
17 Q. WhaT did think was going on?
18 A. W at had occurred was that had gotten
19 n a fight at School. And
20 bsequent, after the fight, they discovered $300
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22 When questioning the $300, she had told 'em
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24 Q. Okay. Did also overhear a
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sex with the man?
A. Um, yes, that is correct. She had some
kind of sexual activity with a man in Palm Beach.
Q• And was paid for it?
A. Correct.
AiralmcQ. Okay. Was Detective Pagan able find out
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Q. Who actually found the money in
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1 A. The Freshman Assistant Principal.
2 Q. Okay. How much money was in the purse?
3 A. 300.
4 Q. Was Detective Pagan able to interview
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6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Where did that occur? 44 0„
8 A. That occurred at the Palm Be olice
9 Department. yy
10 Q. Okay. Did init 11 - was
11 initially honest with Det Pagan?
12 A. Originally she tell everything that
13 occurred. It was t h a subsequent interview
14 that the -- furt e nformation was developed.
15 Q. What,ek, tell Detective Pagan
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17 A Insally, that she had gone to the house
18 w* h a girl by the name of to pick up
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2 A. Correct.
3 Q. Okay. But she ultimately told them that
4 she went for a massage?
5 A. Correct.
6 Q. To give him a massage?
7 A. Correct.
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16 A. O igin ly -- let me -- if I can read this.
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20 massage. It was offered to her by to
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22 identified as Jeffrey Epstein.
23 Q. Okay. Did admit to Detective Pagan
24 knowing that worked for this man in
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2 Q. Did she say that she was offered the
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5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Okay. Did Detective Pagan ask if she
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14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Okay
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1 A. , 1990.
2 Q. How old were you in February of 2005?
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7 Q. You turned
8 A. 15, in IMM of that year.
9 Q. And you just turned 16?
10 A. Yeah.
11 Q. Okay. So you were short of 15?
12 A. Mm-hmm.
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A. I was 14 still. Well, this happened when I
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2 Q. Where is that?
3 A. In .
4 Q. On what road?
5 A. I --
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7 A. Yeah, probably.
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10 A. I was in 9th grade.
11 Q. Did you know
12 A. Yes.
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21 did you know her from outside the school?
22 A. I knew her from outside the school.
23 Q. How much contact did you have with ?
24 A. I met her about -- I met her the night
25 before I went to Jeffrey's house.
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1 Q. Okay. Tell us about the night when you met
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3 A. Um, I was with my boyfriend at my
4 house. And her -- or his aunt lives like four
5 streets down from mine. So we went to say hi to
6 his aunt and stuff, and was there.
7 And I was introduced
8 Q. Had you met her before
9 A. Um, at like a family foo . Like,
10 they had a family get-together a football
11 game, and she was there.
12 Q. Okay.
13 A. But I just still i to her.
14 Q. All right.
15 A. Like I e er knew, like, who she was.
16 Q. -- not a lot of conversations
17 A. Yea
18 Q. or
19 . It was just kind of like, hi, nice to meet
20 ou.
21 Q. Okay. That night you go down there, you
22 meet her. What happens?
23 A. Yeah. And then it was just kind of like a
24 regular night, and we were hanging out, watching
25 TV. And then, like, it was like 11:30-ish or 10,
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1 something like that. And she was like, what are
2 you doing tomorrow?
3 And I -- I said, nothing.
4 And then she was like, I. well, do you want
5 to make, like, $200?
6 And I was like, yeah, sure.
7 And then -- and she was like, you're
8 going to have to, like, meet my fri Jeffrey.
9 And he lives in a big humongous n. And,
10 like, he lives on the water this stuff.
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And then I was lik that's really
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14 him a massage fo 40 minutes. And that's all
15 you have to nd you get, like, $200 for it.
16 And it's re a easy.
17 An was like, okay. Like, whatever.
18 Irlts j st a massage.
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21 And he was, like, arguing with . And then
22 him and went to the bathroom for like a
23 couple minutes to argue.
24 And had, like, her boyfriend there.
25 So me and him were stuck in, like, the living room
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1 watching TV, listening to them argue for a couple
2 minutes. And then they came back out.
3 Then we went outside and had called
4 Jeffrey on the phone. And Jeffrey's assistant
5 lady; I don't remember her name; she answered the
6 phone. And she said that she had somebod that
7 could give Jeffrey a massage tomorrow.
8 And the lady asked how old ate. And who
9 I was -- like, what my name was
10 But said that, ke had to be 18.
11 So she told the lady I w and that I went to
12 , and I was or and everything.
13 And so the assistant lady said,
14 like, okay, th n . Come in tomorrow.
15 So t went home. I --
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A. Yeah. Because didn't want me to go.
22 Because I guess he knew about -- like my his
23 cousin kind of did that already. And
24 Q. Did that concern you, that didn't want
25 you to go and you were agreeing to go anyway?
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1 A. Well, yeah. Cause -- well, he was -- I was
2 like -- I guess cause I was 14 and he was, like,
3 16 and stuff. And he was just like, don't go.
4 Don't go. Don't go.
5 And I was like, well, it's $200. And I was
6 14, and I was like, $200. So I didn't rea
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9 that phone conversation, the pepsb Jeffrey's.
10 house was trying to verify t were at least
11 18?
12 A. Mm-hmm.
13 Q. Okay. Is t
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Okay
16 A. like, after she hung up the
17 phone with the lady she explained to me that --
18 we went back inside the house and she
19 xp mined to me that I was going to have to, like,
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23 stuff. And that I've known for a long time.
24 Like, just to make it look like I was older.
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1 then I went home for the night.
2 And then the next morning and another
3 lady -- like, another teenager girl; I don't
4 remember her name; she was in the truck with her.
5 And, like, we were leaving my house, and -- but my
6 dad saw. And he -- I told him we were nog g to
7 the mall in Palm Beach.
8 And my dad's like, okay. H n't have a
9 problem. And since it was or
10 cousin, he didn't care that wa oing with
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12 But he met -- , e were leaving and my
13 dad was coming in fice, they were, like,
14 pulling into m r way. And he saw , and
15 asked for $5 for gas. So my dad
16 said, li sure, $5, whatever. And then we
17 left.
18 And then when we got to, um, Jeffrey's
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A. Jeffrey Epstein or Epstein or -- whatever.
22 Q. Where was the house?
23 A. Um, I -- it's in Palm Beach, whatever.
24 But then when we pull up in the driveway,
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2 So we walked up anyways. We all got out of
3 the car. And there was like a gate that you have
4 to walk into to go to the back door. And there
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7 And he saw us so he came up to ate.
8 And he asked us what we were there
9 And said, Jeffrey.
10 And so the guy was lija, , okay. And he
11 opened the gate.
12 All three of u in, like, to the back
13 door towards the Cause I guess the
14 kitchen's right when you open the door.
15 So w sitting, like, in a bar like
16 this, an we ere waiting for about 15 minutes.
17 And en Jeffrey and the assistant walked in
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2 And then Jeffrey's like, how about you?
3 Pointing to me.
4 And I was like, okay.
5 And then I was, like, looking back at
6 and laughing. And then she was just like
7 her hand to go. And she was laughing t4b4 And I
8 was like, okay.
9 So then we -- in the kit was like a
10 little hallway, not really, s like a
11 stairway to go upstairs. e were walking up
12 there. And the assis dy walked me up there
13 and as Jeffrey was O ng to them after.
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15 these pictu all this stuff and then leading
16 me up to a bathroom. It was, like, really
17 big tough. And, like, there was two closets.
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23 And then she opened up a drawer. And there
24 was like a whole bunch of different, like, lotions
25 for getting massages. And she just picked, like,
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1 a couple of 'em out and just set 'em on the vanity
2 table. There was a big, big mirror on the other
3 wall opposite to the massage table.
4 And then -- and then she told me to get
5 un -- well, not undressed, but, like, put -- keep
6 your bra and your panties on.
7 And I was like, okay. AiAr
8 And then she said --
9 Q. Had told you aboutCpefore?
llw 10 A. No. I thought, like, 't goin g to be a
11 massage, like, you keep y othing on.
12 And that -- t in the room, that's
13 when the lady, lik lained what I would have
14 to do. Just to a ndressed and keep my bra and
15 my panties
16 Q. A d di you do that?
17 A. Mm- mm.
18 Q. Is that a yes?
19 . Yes. And then to stay in the room for a
20 ouple seconds, and then Jeffrey would be coming
21 in the room any minute.
22 And then Jeffrey did come in the room. And
23 he said, hi, and he shook my hand again. But then
24 he went out of the room and he got undressed, but
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2 Q. Okay. Stop a minute.
3 What did this man look like? This Jeffrey
4 Epstein?
5 A. Old.
6 Q. How old?
7 A. Um, he looked like 50-ish maybe.
6 Q. Okay.
9 A. 40.
10 Q. How was he dressed why y initially met
11 him?
12 A. Like he was go fing. He just had,
13 like, a polo T-shi and khaki pants.
14 Q. Okay. A were you met(sic) when you
15 first went -- dressed when you first went
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17 A. Um, was wearing a regular T-shirt, my
18 H lis r shirt, and just some jeans.
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23 A. It was a bra.
24 Q. Okay. No special --
25 A. Uh-uh.
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1 Q. -- certain type. But thong underwear.
2 Were you uncomfortable getting down to your
3 bra and underwear?
4 A. Uh-huh. Like, at -- I was kind of
5 hesitant. I was, like, sitting in the room for --
6 until Jeffrey came in, like, thinking like, to
7 myself, well, like, what's going on?
8 Like, I don't know. I was ' of
9 hesitant. But then I just didn' cause I
10 wanted $200, cause I wanted d it. So I
11 just didn't care. I jus
12 Q. Okay. All rig he comes out and he's
13 in a towel. Start there.
14 A. And then e ike, laid on the massage
15 table, got tlCs stomach. And then he told me,
16 like, to grab n77y""of the three lotions that she
17 had t down on the table. And so I just grabbed
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23 give him a massage. And then he's making
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1 school do you go to, and all this stuff, so.
2 Q. Did he ask you how old you were?
3 A. Uh-huh. And I
4 Q. And what did you tell him?
5 A. I told him I was 18.
6 And, um, he asked me, like, what dq I like
7 to do for my spare time.
8 And I said, I dance, and al stuff.
9 And just asking me small talk.
10 And then he's like, o w , you don't
11 have to stand up, you ca n the table
12 And so I sat o e able and I was giving
13 him a massage. An pink the massage -- it was
14 a couple minutrg, e 15 or 20 minutes. And this
15 whole time
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18 hptise M,n New York, and just a whole bunch of stuff
19 aa I was, like, amused by. And then after like
20 minutes of giving him a massage, or 30 minutes
21 or something -- it was around that time, he asked
22 me if I wanted to make an extra hundred dollars.
23 And all -- that he'd have to use --
24 Q. Before we get there, let me just ask you a
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2 A. Mm-hmm.
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A. Yeah.
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8 A. No. I'm, like, positive it 't Jeffrey.
9 Cause he didn't come in the roo after I was
10 already in my underwear and b .
11 Q. Okay. So if that' 1 er report, that's
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A. Yes.
14 Q. All rig en you talk about getting on
15 the table, recall telling Detective Pagan
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Thaw's -- yeah. That's what -- when I got
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21Ag your bare buttocks to his bare buttocks?
22 A. Yeah. Well, kind of. There was towel
23 that -- like, it was kind of covering his butt but
24 not really covering his butt. It was like not
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2 near his butt. But, like, I wasn't on his butt.
3 Q. So, if she wrote, you stated you exposed
4 your bare buttocks were touching his bare
5 buttocks --
6 A. That'd be kind of correct.
7 Q. Okay. 4A r
8 A. And then -- yeah. I guess.
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10 A. You could say that. ( s
11 Q. So how long did t on when you are
12 sitting on top of him Acs „
13 A. The unti e, the massage part was
14 over. And the he, ike, asked, well, would you
15 like to mak n xtra hundred dollars?
16 I said, sure.
17 Is And then like, but I, um, have to
18 l' e, ou're not going to be giving the massage
19 OyDtore, it's going to be something different.
And I was like, well, what is it?
21 And then he's like, um, can I use a
22 vibrator on you?
23 And I said, um, okay.
24 And then -- so then he got up and he went
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3 And next to the little vanity, big mirror,
4 and all this big table there was, like, on the
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7 Q. What did it look like?
8 A. It was, like,
9 it was kind of like a massager
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1 Q. So you're sitting on the table now and he's
2 standing up?
3 A. No, no, no. He was laying back on the
4 table, but like I was kind of on the table. Like,
5 half my butt and my leg was on the table, and the
6 other half was, like, par -- like, on
7 Like, I was holding --
8 Q. Okay. But he's laying
9 A. Uh-huh.
10 Q. Okay.
11 A. And, um, then I g a massage on his
12 chest and he was stil l ng for a couple
13 minutes. And then ed the vibrator. And,
14 like, that was r • e 10 minutes maybe or so, I
15 think. And e --
16 Q. -- I have to be detailed here.
17 Wher was he
18 A. Can I say -- along my vagina.
19 . Okay.
20 A. I don't know what else to say.
21 Q. All right. Go ahead.
22 A. Okay. And then -- and then after for a
23 couple minutes that's what he was doing. And then
24 he jerked off for like a couple minutes.
25 Like, I was still on the table. And
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1 told me that if -- if you -- like, if he does
2 that, then you have to get more money, because
3 that's like -- he gives you extra money if he
4 jerks off anyways. Cause I guess it's some --
5 like his (indiscernible) or whatever. And
6 Q. And had told you that before')
7 A. Mm-hmm. She -- I -- she told m
8 like, the night that I, like, had
9 conversation with her, and she about it.
10 Q. Okay. So she just di 't 11 you you were
11 going for a massage, she ou that there --
12 you might have to tak u clothes off?
13 A. No. She di ell me that I would had to
14 take my clothes f ut she said that if he jerks
15 off in fron p u, then you can get more money.
16 Q. O ay. o when he offered you the extra
17 hundr d do lars, you had a pretty good idea what
18 w co ing next?
19 . Yeah.
20 Q. Okay.
21 A. And, um
22 Q. And when you say "jerked off" what do you
23 mean?
24 A. He put his hand on his penis, and started
25 going up and down kind of fast.
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1 Q. Okay. Could you see his penis at that
2 point?
3 A. Uh-huh.
4 Q. Is that a yes?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. All right. Go ahead.
7 That went on for how long? 44 0,
8 A. A couple seconds maybe. Li eah,
9 like, 40 seconds. And then n after
10 that, like, the massage was e
11 And he went into out of the door
12 back to wherever he g couldn't see where he
13 was going cause th was this way and he
14 walked out. An I ess he had like a -- his
15 money behin oor, cause it only took a couple
16 of secon him to come back in the room.
17 And then he opened his money, like, his
18 w , a d gave me three hundred dollar bills. And
19 ol me, thank you. And I --
20 v And then he's like -- there was a note pad
21 there next to the -- and told me to write my
22 name and my number; cause I had a cell phone at
23 the time. And he told me to write my cell phone
24 number down, and how he could get hold of me and
25 all this stuff.
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1 So I wrote my number down, and wrote my
2 name. And then after that he just left the room
3 and told me I could get dressed again and that it
4 was done. I was over.
5 Q. Did you actually see him ejaculate?
6 A. No.
7 Q. Okay. Did he not ejaculate or idn't
8 see that?
9 A. If he did, I didn't see.
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10 Q. Okay. Do you recall -11 Detective
11 Pagan it happened in a cis e t sequence?
12 A. No.
13 Q. And that he rbated first before he put
14 the vibrator o vagina?
15 A. Mmm,i$iaa. This was like two and a half
16 years ag
17 Q. Okay.
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19 Do you recall not telling her about the
20 ibrator at all
21 A. Yeah.
22 Q. -- the first time you talked to her?
23 A. Yeah I remember that. Because I was
24 scared.
25 Q. Okay. Why were you scared about that and
that could have happened.
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1 not scared about telling her that he ejaculated in
2 front of you -- or masturbated in front of you?
3 A. Cause that's his body, and the vibrator's
4 on my body.
5 Q. So you didn't want to admit that you had
6 allowed him to touch you?
7 A. Yeah. Alpic
8 Q. Okay. And he gave you $300?
9 A. Uh-huh.
10 Q. You left your number s hlydould contact
11 you again?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Okay. WhenAiks e ft the room, what
14 happened?
15 You t r ssed. Did he take you
16 downstai s, go downstairs by yourself?
17 I ) st went downstairs by myself.
18 Q. o was down there? Was still down
19 hNioe?
20 A. Uh-huh. The -- was there, and the
21 other girl was there. And the assistant lady, she
22 might have been there, but I don't know. I can't
23 remember.
24 But then after that, we left. Like, they
25 didn't do anything. They didn't -- she got money
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1 but she didn't do anything.
2 Q. MEM -- who? Who is "she"?
3 A. MEM.. did.
4 Q. Okay. Do you know how much money
5 got?
6 A. I think it was $300 too.
7 Q. Okay.
8 A. Or maybe 200. 300.
9 Q. Do you know what that wa
10 A. No. At the time I -- tAbbght maybe she
11 did something with someb e in the house.
12 But then I was, like, n ng there was only
13 Jeffrey and the la t re. Like, I didn't think
14 anything of it.
15 Q. But u learn that she got money for
16 bringing ere?
17 A. Yeah. I kind of figured that when I got
18 b k h me. Like, I was thinking about it for a
19 i e. And I realized, well, it's probably cause
0 e brought me.
21 y Q. Okay. Did you discuss with what
22 happened up in that room?
23 A. Yes. Then when we got in the -- the, um --
24 back in her truck, um, at first we were all like,
25 um, II let's go. Let's go spend our money.
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1 Then she was like, Ill, what happened? What
2 did you do? How much money did you get?
3 And I was like, I got $300. And I was
4 like, kind -- I was excited. $300.
5 And then she was like, you got 300? What
6 did you have to do with him?
7 And then she told -- or I told - or
8 her what I did.
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9 And then she's like, Um, I've
10 done that too, blah, blah.
11 And like, you cou - he was -- then she
12 told me, like, what -r a -- like if you do this
13 it's -- you get t
14 that. And she lling me, like, all this
15 stuff.
16 I was, like, laughing about it.
17 Caused was
18 t lin me that I'd have to get in my bra.
19 And she's like, II, sorry. And she's
20
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aughing. And then the other girl starts laughing
21 too. And then we all laughed together.
22 And then -- then we went to T.J.Maxx and
23 she got a purse. And I didn't spend any of my
24 money. I kept it in my -- I wanted to spend it,
25 but I didn't want to spend it at T.J.Maxx. I
you do this, and then get
like, yeah, thanks, you know, for
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1 wanted to go to the mall or something. So then I
2 kept it in my -- my house. Like, my purse and
3 stuff. And --
4 Q. Let me stop you there.
5 When you're in the car back with .
6 going back, did you and discuss do i g this
7 again so you could earn more money?
'S9 Q. Okay. CO
8 A. Yeah.
10 A. I think --
11 Q. Um -- AS; )
12 A. -- we had. Sh didn't plan a -- like
13 any certain date, s just like -- we didn't,
14 like, plan thi like, again, we didn't plan,
15 plan it. ust like -- she was like, II'
16 well, if you er need money again you can always
17 call e and you can come with me.
18 And I said, okay.
19 . You don't recall telling Detective Pagan
20 at you made plans to do this every Saturday so
21 you could get rich?
22 A. II, yeah. II yeah. Well, it wasn't like a
23 plan, plan. It was kind of like an imaginary kind
24 of -- every Saturday. Like
25 Q. Okay.
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1 A. -- it wasn't for sure.
2 Q. Did you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house
3 to give him other massages?
4 A. I did not.
5 Q. Okay.
6 A. When I was on the phone with the detective,
7 we pretended for ; cause she was
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8 line; we pretended that I was going t1 do ack,
9 but -- just so she could say some But I
10 never did.
11 Q. Okay. So you did
12 with
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13 A. Uh-huh.
14 Q. Trying to t der to make admissions?
15 A. Yes.
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16 Q. I h yes?
17 A. Yew.
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18 Q.IC?:11ray.
19 All right. Was there another reason you
20 rt of didn't go back? That some people might
21 have found out about it or were talking about you?
22 Y A. Yeah. Um, that's what I was going to get
23 to.
24 At school, um, I had, like, my best friend.
25 And I told her in dance class; cause that's my
rolled phone call
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1 first period, that was my first period class.
2 And, like, right when I got back to school I had
3 the $300 on -- in my purse with me.
4
5 make $300, you can come with me, and
6 take you. And I didn't say her name, I said like,
7 my friend will take you. And all you h to do
8 is give him a massage and stuff. An t d her
9 what I did. (: 42)
10 I didn't tell her everyt I didn't tell
11 her the -- the vibrator p just left that
12 out. But I told her e^v r ng else.
13 And, um, she k f laughed and giggled.
14 And she's like, . I'll keep that in mind.
15 And then, um
16 Q.
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22
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24 And then -- well, after I told , the
25 rest of the day goes by. And she was telling
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A.
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and -- well, she was in
v rsation, but she's, like, didn't say
ing to anybody.
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will
A. She didn't -- she didn't
say anything at first until everybody else found
out.
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1 people, and, like, telling everybody in school.
2 And then I was like -- I saw her in my gym
3 class that same day and I just confronted her.
4 I was like, well, why are you telling
5 people? And that's kind of my business. And I
6 kind of told you to be nice and not to, like, go
7 around telling people. You're suppose be my
8 best friend. And then she just lau• about it.
9 So then we got in an altercatio • e gym room.
10 Q. Was that a fight?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. You had a figh
13 A. I we got n a fight. And, um, that's
g;
14 when I had to go t the Principal's office.
15 And told why she got in the fight
16 with me. An told her why she -- why we got in
17 a fi ht. d I kind of -- we -- at first we both
18 ied about why, cause -- or I did.
19
20 incipal she was spreading rumors about me.
21 And then , I guess, told the
22 Principal why, like, for real.
23 And so then the Principal, when I had to go
24 in the room, she was like, let me see in your
25 purse.
-- and then I was -- just told the And then
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1 And I said, why?
2 And she's like -- asked me if I had any
3 money.
4 And I said, no, I don't have any money on
5 me.
6 And then she said, like, you don't have to
7 lie. You're not going to be in trouble Give me
8 your purse. Act ,
9 And then I gave her my pu nd she
10 found the $300. And she asked w I got it.
11 And I say, I work ; cause at
12 the time I really did r
13 And, um --
14 Q. Why did y li to the Assistant Principal?
15 A. Cause 't think it was, like, any of
16 her busi s 7 ke, why we were arguing or
17 anything.
18 A d I thought, why would I tell on myself
19 -- if she doesn't really know anything yet?
20
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told her.
22 And then she -- after she showed -- like,
23 after she took my purse and she looked at the
24 $300, and she she didn't believe what I said,
25 like, at all.
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1 And I just kept lying and, like, saying,
2 no, I got it from . My work, my work.
3 And then she said, you don't have to lie.
4 I know -- I know what happened.
5 And she called my step mom. And my step
6 mom came to the school. And my step mom said,
7 like, you didn't get $300 from your pay eck.
8 You're lying. And then that's when - hat's
9 when, like, I don't know, every ' ind of came
10 out.
11 And then I --
12 Q. You didn't tel
13 did you lie to
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Ack$arents at first so
Atcy
them\ ?
14 A. I said I a d in drugs, and I was dealing
15 them. Like, I e up any kind of lie. I didn't
16 want to m what happened.
17 Q. Di here come a time when Detective Pagan
18 g
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21 A. ?
e messages on your phone?
From
22 Yeah. She -- II. Well, after that whole
23 thing, my cell phone was taken away. So, yeah,
24 she had my cell phone from that day until she
25 until I moved to
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1 And she -- like, my mom, I think she still
2 has it, or the Court or whatever has my cell
3 phone.
4 Q. You talked about telling your mom you were
5 doing drugs -- or selling drugs?
6 A. Yeah. I just --
7 Q. Which one? AillAr
8 A. My just -- both. I just k of -- my
9 dad's arguing with me, and I jusp.. of told
10 'em, well, I'm a drug dealer.
11 Q. Okay. So you -- y had a problems with
12 drugs though, haven't yc o„
13 A. I did.
14 Not a pro , I experimented.
15 Q. Didn' parents actually send you away
16 to a reh ion center because of it?
17 A. ToYfaamily help center --
18
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to be specific or whatever.
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21 because I had a lot of family, like, getting -along
0 It was because of that, but it was also
22 problems. Like, I argued with my parents a lot.
23 Q. Were you doing drugs during the time that
24 you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house?
25 A. Um, no. Well, the only -- the only drug
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1 that I did that time was pot. Like, I smoked it
2 sometimes. I didn't do, like, drug drugs, like
3 bad kind of drugs.
4
5
6
7
Q. Do you still do pot?
A. No.
Q. Do you have a MySpace.com account?
A. Yes. I have a MySpace.
8 Q. On there you talk about doing
9 A. No, I don't talk about it
10 There's like a -- like, kyttle thing
11 where it says create, like, own thingy.
12 And it asks ques i like a -- a survey;
13 that's the word I' 1 i g
14 like, they just q estions. And it says, have
15 you ever don
16 A I d, yeah.
17 Ha you -- it says, have you ever done
18
19 Okay. It asks a lot of questions about
20 u, right?
21 A. Yes. But I also did delete that MySpace
22
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and I did a good one. I --
23 Q. Okay.
for; a survey about --
24 A. I delete -- cause my parents found out.
25 Q. So you had one that wasn't real good?
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. That you'd lied about your age on, said
3 were you 18 on?
4 A. No. I didn't say I was 18.
5 Q. This your account?
6 A. No.
7 Q. Here with, ? Female, 18 ye old.
OS8 Lives in ?
9 A. Yes, but I didn't do this
10 All mines have, like, Co Ings in the
11 back. Like, mine -- I wo n:ver make an ugly
12 one.
13 Q. IfliellOdo have more fun.
14 A. Yeah.
15 Q. You' ARrIMI?
16 A. Y u -- and I have that ex -- like,
17 those exaZYsame things on my old one.
18 had, like, not in what it says about
19 that little sentence
20 Q. Okay.
21 A. that's not -- I didn't make that.
22 Q. So when you're talking about that survey
23 you answered, it says your -- your choice of
24 alcohol. And you put beer?
25 A. Yeah.
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1 Q. Do you drink beer?
2 A. At parties.
3 Q. Okay. It says you have four piercings?
4 A. Not anymore. Now I only -- well, I used to
5 have my belly button pierced.
6 Q. It takes -- you have to be 18 in the state
7 of Florida to have body piercings other t an your
8 ears? How --
9 A. My dad --
10 Q. How did you get those?
11 A. My dad took me to belly button
12 pierced for my 14th bi Cause, like,
13 everybody was getti so I begged for it.
14 And then 'us got my nose pierced, so.
15 Q. Did y to provide identification for
16 your nos prove you were 18?
17 A. No, y dad -- my dad let me.
18 Q. Y ur dad, okay.
19 So you didn't have false identification at
20 at time?
21 A. No.
22 Q. Okay. So you said yes to drinking and
23 smoking? Smoking pot?
24 A. Yeah.
25 Q. There's a question, do you shoplift?
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1 Do you recall what you put for that?
2 A. I did.
3 Q. What -- you did shoplift?
4 A. Like, yeah, a couple times.
5 Q. Did you recall putting, lots of times, on
6 your site?
7 A. Maybe. Aimc
8 This was a long time ago, s
9 Q. Okay. You reported inco e 250,000
10 A. As a joke.
-- on that site?
12 A. Yeah. It's a
o PII)11 Q.
13 Like, all nds do that, cause it's
14 kind of funny d dom and stupid.
15 Q. Okay it's not that you're making money
16 elsewher --
17 Aottot. It
18 0.V - doing similar activity?
19
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was just kind of stupid.
20 It's like a joke.
21 Q. Okay. Did you ever make arrangements with
22 to go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house in
23 April of 2005?
24 A. Not when I was with her.
25 Maybe on a phone conversation, like, with
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1 that detective, but not ever when I was with her.
2 Q. Did you ever talk to about going back
3 in April of 2005?
4 A. I really don't think so.
5 Q. Okay.
6 All right. At this point I'm goi to ask
7 the grand jurors if they have any que for
8 you.
9 A. Okay.
5 11)10 Q. Okay?
11
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A JUROR: W e you live now?
A irTHE WIT •• live in .
A JU here?
ESS:
ROR: Did you say that before you
17 THE WITNESS: Yes. I moved to
in July, with my mother.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Your mother -- your
stepmother and father sent you up there to
get away from the activities down here?
22 THE WITNESS: No. I moved with my
23 mom.
24 When I was with my dad, like, after
25 this all happened, my mom and my dad were
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1 arguing. And I didn't like my dad anymore.
2
3
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5
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I -- I just felt like living back with mom.
So then I moved with my mom.
And that's when I went to the family
center; like, is what it's
called. And then after that, my m m had
7 planned on moving to been
8 planning for, like, 2 years ire any of
9 this ever happened. And inally found
10 a house in oved, and I
11 moved with them.
12 A JUROR: A4$!ave any idea deep
13 down insid u that you -- what your
14 doing i r ?
15 ITNESS: Yeah. I did.
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16 JUROR: II, do you?
17 Have you --
18 THE WITNESS: II I
19 A JUROR: Have you set the goals of
20 O to not do it anymore?
21 THE WITNESS: Yes. I don't --
22 haven't talked to any of those people since
23 that day.
24 A JUROR: And you're well aware
25 that -- what you're doing to your own
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1 reputation.
2 THE WITNESS: Yes. I do.
3
4
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12
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15 ITNESS: Yeah, in
16 hen they, like, first let you work,
17 when you're 14.
19 Th:you're living back now with your father in
18 A JUROR: Okay. Now you're work
21
the meantime?
22 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Anybody else in the
23 front row?
24 Second row. Yes, sir.
25 A JUROR: Um, you kept saying
MS. BELOHLAVEK: You aware that you
committed a crime?
THE WITNESS: Now I am. I didn't
know it was a crime when I was doi g it.
Like, I -- I don't know. I -- I
guess it's prostitution or L hing like
that.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: An ther questions?
A JUROR:
You sai orked at
You were 14 were working at
THE WITNESS: (No audible response) .
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2 THE WITNESS: No.
3 was blond haired, and she was tall and
4 skinny. I don't remember her name.
5 A JUROR: Okay.
6 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir. n the
7 back row.
8 A JUROR: Yes.
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9 Miss yo ver go back
10 to Mr. Epstein's on
11 THE WITNESS' N\,/sir, I didn't.
12 A JUROR:
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A JUROR: Did you
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19 (4% trouble.
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behavior was a little strange?
22 THE WITNESS: That's what we all
23 joked about in the car.
24 A JUROR: Yeah, but did it ever occur
25 to you that he could have hacked you up?
one?
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you know her name?
I know that she
ever contact you
r called you?
A JUROR:
WITNESS: No. Because I got my
-- ever feel that his
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1 THE WITNESS: I -- now I think about
2 it. And a lot of things could have
3 happened. I thought about it a lot.
4 And a lot --
5
6
7
8 could have happened.
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18 I don't need to re-swear you in.
19
THE WITNESS: Okay.
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We'll just remind you, you're under oath.
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21 MS. DUGGAN: Okay.
22 CONTINUED EXAMINATION
23 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK:
24 Q. Detective Recarey, let's go back to the
25 investigation before you took over; it's still
A JUROR: Should give it a little
further thought.
THE WITNESS: differen ngs
AR/0,
MS. BELOHLAVEK: r questions
for Miss ?
All right. h you very much.
t o"
,.Slis,o,THE WITN •• hank you.
(Wit cused. )
( JOE RECAREY RECALLED)
UGGAN: I'll go ahead.
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Joe Recarey.
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for the record, this is Detective
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1 Detective Pagan. There's mention in her report of
2 trash pulls.
3 What's a trash pull?
4 A. A trash pull is when you make arrangements
5 with the supervisor of sanitation to have the
6 trash man go onto the property, remove th trash,
7 and place it in the empty well of the truck.
8 And you follow 'em to a different ( 44:5 'on, then
9 you retrieve the bags from the
10 Q. How is it that you c ta things off
11 someone's property witho a arch warrant in
12 that way? Is it perms because it's been
13 discarded?
14 A. It's di It's trash.
15 It w s i the truck. We just take
16 possessi n o it from the truck.
17 Q. Okay. April 1, 2005, was there a trash
18 p 1 a Jeffrey Epstein's house?
19 . Correct.
(::)20 Q. Okay. Do you know what was found when they
21 examined the trash from his home?
22 A. Several messages with phone numbers written
23 on it with girls' names, and different messages.
24 Q. Did any of the messages that you've had a
25 chance to look at talk about any of the girls you
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22 April 1.
23 Q. But
24 A. No.
25 Q. Okay.
1 found out through your investigation had gone to
2 Jeffrey Epstein's house?
3 A. That is correct. The names and phone
4 numbers were of girls that have gone to the house
5 and left little messages. I have girls for him.
6 You know, for a good time call me type of, thing.
Q. Okay. Was there a message indic3Lg that
8 had an appointment in April?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And what time did h re an appointment
11 in April?
12 A. 11 a.m.
`13 Q. Okay. w if Detective Pagan had
14 taken voice ' phone where
15 was confirm
16 A. R
17 Q. -- to go there at 11:00?
18 A. There were controlled phone calls
19 Cr een was making phone calls to
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20 Ihsflor us, as part of the investigation. made
21 the appointment to bring over at 11 a.m. for
never went there?
Now were there any messages
sting with
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1 indicating that someone named or someone
2 named has appointments to go to Mr. Epstein's
3 house?
4 A. Yes. There was several mentions of
5 and
6 Q. Were you able to identify who and
7 were?
8 A. Yes, I did. Later on in th ' stigation
9 we discovered that
10 , another
was a
School
11 student who still attend i7. was the
12 other girl that was f e ing Epstein's house.
13 Q. How old wa y at that time?
14 A. I belie s was 16.
15 Q. And d was
16 A. Through the investigation I
17 foun ut she started going to the house when she
18 w 1 or had just turned 16.
19 . And how long of a time did she continue to
20 Qo there?
21Ae ' A. Till she turned 18.
22 Q. Okay. Was there a trash pull on
23 September 21st of 2005?
24 I guess this is after you've taken over the
25 investigation.
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1 A. Correct.
2 Q. Okay. Was there a trash pull that day?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Did you find anything interesting in that
5 trash pull?
6 A. Um, I'm trying to get to --
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Q. Maybe page 24, 25 of your repor t .
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Q. September 21st.
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Q. What did yo in that trash pull?
A. I had nom s th the name , with her
15 phone numbe well as
16 call And --
17 Q. Were you able to identify ?
18 A. Yes.
19 • Who is ?
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21 Q. And what about ? Were you able to
22 identify ?
23 A. Yes. Through the investigation I was able
24 to find out that
25
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is actually
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Q. Can you spell
A.
3 Q. And how old was she at the time?
4 A. 17.
5 Q. Okay. Another trash pull on October 3,
6 2005?
7 A. Correct. AiAr
8 Q. Anything interesting found ' ttiat trash
9 pull?
10 A. October 3rd.
11 What page are you
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12 Q. Page 26. Page a report dictated by
13 Officer Crowell.
14 A. Curtis w correct.
15 Q. Okay
16 A. T y
17 Q. In there he indicates that in the trash
18 p 1 t ey located a hard plastic or clear acrylic
19 ti which was shaped with small ridges. This
20 evice) is commonly used as a sexual toy which is
21 inserted into the vagina or anus for stimulation.
22 Was that type of item actually found?
23 A. Um, the device was actually found. But
24 later on in the search warrant it was discovered
25 that it was actually the handle of the --
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1 Q. For the silverware?
2 A. -- for forks -- for forks and knives.
3 Q. Okay. So it wasn't something we would call
4 a vibrator or a dildo?
5 A. No.
6 Q. Okay. It appeared that way to him, but you
7 were able to confirm later it was not?
8 A. Right.
9 Q. Okay.
c4rom your 10 All right. You are i
11 investigation and talkin o tective Pagan, that
Ac
12 said s a initiated into going
13 to Jeffrey Epstei h se by someone named
14
15 A. Corr c .
16 Q. W e ever able to talk to
17 A. Yes,
18 Q. 11;When was that?
19 . October 3, 2005.
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(::)20 Q. Where did that take place?
21 A. Sergeant Frick and I went to her house out
22 in , knocked on the door, and asked her
23 to come back to the station for further
24 questioning reference this investigation.
25 Q. How old was ?
I did.
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1 A. had just graduated from high school,
2 from School.
3 Q. Okay. Was she a minor at the time or an
4 adult? Do you recall?
5 A. Well, in the -- at the time she would have
6 been a -- an adult.
7 Q. When -- 44 0,,
8 A. At the time of the interviews
9 Q. When you talked to her.
10 Did she talk to you y at her house?
11 A. No, she came back t s to the police
12 department for furthe e ioning.
13 Q. She was un o able talking at her house?
14 She told you s w ed to do it elsewhere?
15 A. Um, o to just -- I wanted to go over
16 document th 2 I didn't have with me, with her --
17 Q. Okay.
18
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. So when did she come to the police
0 epartment?
21 Y A. That same day.
22 Q. What did tell you?
23 A. During a sworn taped statement she stated
24 that she became in contact with Mr. Jeffrey
25 Epstein when she was 17, when she was approached
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1 by a friend with an opportunity to make money.
2 She was taken to the Epstein's residence. She was
3 told that she would have to provide a massage, and
4 make $200.
5 She was taken to the house, she was
6 introduced to his -- Epstein's assistant py the
7 name of Sarah. Sarah then would escor
8 upstairs, prepare the room for the ge by
9 putting out the ointments and t e erent oils.
10 Mr. Epstein came into he oom. He
11 demanded she remove her g. She did so.
12 She started giving th s ogee, rubbing his back,
13 his calves and th is . He turned onto his back,
14 asked her to r
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16 y ' I'm uncomfortable with you touching
17 me. '11 give you the massage but I'm
18 u om rtable with you touching me.
19 It was at which time he said, I know you're
20 ncomfortable If you bring me girls I will pay
21 you to bring me girls.
22 Q. So he didn't make her do anything she was
23 uncomfortable with?
24 A. Right.
25 Q. Okay. How did she indicate that she first
chest. As he did so he tried
to touch he A ,mat ch her buttocks. She pulled
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1 met anybody that knew Jeffrey Epstein?
2 A. She was approached by one of her friends in
3 by the name of , unknown last
4 name. I was never --
5 Q. You never
6 A. -- able to identify --
7 Q. -- determine -- 44 0,
8 A. -- who was, who actua
's
took her to
9 Epstein's house and introduced o the
10 household.
11 Q. Okay. Were you a o determine the
12 approximate date when t this who took
13 her to Epstein's
14 A. Sometim she turned 17, she told me.
15 Q. Okay she was 17 when she first went
16 there?
17 A. cm. isztilroy
18 Q. All right. When he talked to her about
19 ri ging other girls to him, since she's
20 uncomfortable, what was her response to him?
21 A. She agreed to bring the girls to him. And
22 he told her, the younger, the better.
23 She brought a 23-year old to massage him,
24 and he told her that she was too old and he wanted
25 someone younger.
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1 Knowing that she went to
2 School, he recommended that she ask her
3 friends.
4 During the statement she gave me
5 approximately six names that she can remember that
6 she took to the house that all went to
7 School.
8 Q. Who did tell you she yagto the
9 house?
10 A. Um,
11 , and the 14
12 year old victim,
13 Q.
Did you k14 1011. if she told these people
15 what to exp en she took them to Jeffrey
16 Epstein'
17 A She explained that all the girls knew what
18 w to be expected. The more you did, the more
19 on you made. She explained that there was
20 oing to be a massage or some possible touching,
21 and you would have to provide the massage either
22 topless or naked.
23 Q. And she told you that she told that?
24 A. She said that she told all the girls that.
25 Q. Okay. During your conversations with
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1 , did she refer to herself as somebody
2 famous?
3 A. On the ride back, back to her house, she
4 had stated that she was the -- she was like Heidi
5 Fleiss, the Hollywood Madam that provided girls to
6 clients.
7 Q. Did -- you may have told his
8 earlier, and I apologize if I didn' ar it --
9 did undress when she prov e massage?
10 A. Yes. She provided th- ge naked, under
11 the direction of
12 Q. Not just down underwear?
13 A. No. I bel was naked.
14 Q. Okay. D was there ever any indication
15 of a vibrat described, with ?
16 A. she -- she was aware of the
17 vibr
18 Q. From ?
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slash, massager.
paid money, did she tell you, for
22 bringing these other girls?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. How much money?
25 A. She was paid approximately $200 for every
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1 girl she brought.
2 Q. Just one time per girl or every time she
3 brought a girl did she get another $200?
4 A. Every time she brought a girl she got $200.
5 Q. Even if it was the same girl over and over?
6 A. Correct.
7 4. Okay.
8 All right. You found the c at says,
9 for a good time call
10 identify her as
11 A. Correct.
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12 Q. Did you get a nt from
(::) e able to
13 A. Yes, I did. hat time was
14 already attendi, dJ lege, she had started
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16 S e st fed that nothing inappropriate had
17 occur ed originally, and then explained that, you
18 kk w, e had -- Epstein had tried to touch her on
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211e.
.) Q. Did she change her statement at some point
21 to you?
22 A. Well, originally she started off saying
23 that nothing had -- nothing inappropriate had
24 occurred. Further questioning, she had changed,
25 that there was additional things that had
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1 happened.
2 Q. Okay. What did she say the additional
3 things were that happened?
4 A. There was attempted touching. He had
5 caressed her buttocks cheeks.
6 All the while he had he had int oduced
7 the vibrator, but did not -- she did n low a
8 vibrator to be used on her.
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head on the tip of the vibra r ite in color.
Q. Now was this -- it p essed in the first
12 time she was there to 3 t assage to touching to
13 vibrator, or were As numerous times she went to
14 his house?
15 A. NumeytusttImes that she went to his house.
16 This all essed as more times she came to the
17 house more things started to occur.
18
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20
OSQ. How many times did she go to Jeffrey
r s ein's house?
A. Off the top of my head, I -- she stated
21 y that she had been there many times.
22 Q. All right. The last known time that she
23 told you about was when?
24 A. Was in October. The last time Mr. Epstein
25 was in town, October 3rd or 4th of 2005.
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1 Q. Okay. Do you know of any of the girls that
2 say they went to his house after 2005?
3 A. No. I don't believe Mr. Epstein has been
4 back. He learned of the investigation in October.
5 Q. Okay. Was she paid by Jeffrey Epstein?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Do you know how much she was pa
8 A. She was paid between 200 an 0.
9 Q. Each time?
10 A. Each time that she we t.
11 Q. Did she get any o ,mpensation other
12 than money from him?
13 A. She also rec. a rental car, which as of
14 this date I thin she's still driving it,
15 from Dollar e Car.
16 Q. O ay. ere you able to confirm through the
17 rent car hat it was rented by Mr. Epstein or
18 s eon in his --
19 . It was --
2? ÷ .O Q. employ?
21 A. -- rented by -- it was rented by Mr. -- his
22 houseman, Janusz Banasiak, with a credit card of
23 Mr. Epstein's.
24 Q. Okay. Were you able to get a statement
25 from the person you identified as ?
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1 A. That is correct.
2 Q. When did that occur?
3 A. On October 10th I had made telephone
4 contact with her; she was up in
5
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10 attending
11 was offered to -- $200 f mutes of work.
12 Q. How was she in d to him?
13
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whoA. She was to him by a friend of hers
also had go School,
15
16 Q. O
17 A. She was taken to the house. She would have
18 t pe orm this massage naked.
19 She knew that before she went?
20 A. That was explained to her by
21 Q. Okay. What did she describe about that
22 first visit to Jeffrey Epstein's house?
23 A. She recalled that the appointment was set
24 up for that same day. They contacted
25 Mr. Epstein's assistant, Sarah; later identified
Florida. And I had explained to her that I was
conducting this investigation.
Miss began to cry. Explai that she
had been to the house hundreds of ' Started
( 11: was still
ool. Where she
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1 as ; where the appointment was made.
2 She was taken. She remembered it was on the
3 weekends because she only worked on the weekends,
4 as she was still going to high school.
5 She was taken upstairs to the
6 bedroom. She could observe in the spiral
7 staircase up to the bedroom area there
8 photographs of naked women through the house.
9 Q. Adult women?
10 A. I believe so.
11 Q. Okay. She goes u t what happens
12 upstairs?
13 A. She's take the room. The room is set
14 up, the massage a s are set up, ointments are
15 put out by r ellen. Epstein enters the room
16 and intr himself to her. He lays on the
17 mass e table and asks her to get comfortable.
18 She stated that she couldn't remember if
19 he rovided the massage naked, but knows that she
20 emoved -- she had -- I'm sorry she had rubbed
21 his legs, thighs, and feet.
22 All during this time Epstein turned on to
23 his back so that she could rub his chest, and he
24 started to masturbate.
25 Q. Okay.
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A. Which was another thing, one of the other
girls -- every time there was a massage, Epstein
would masturbate himself.
Q. Was she able to see his penis or was it
under the towel he had come out in?
A. He had exposed his penis to her. emoved
464 0,the towel which made it visible.
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period that she stated, hund -d
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that go on?
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times.
A. M, It wa everal minutes.
Q. Okay. Did ch her at all that first
time?
A. Um, eve he did use the vibrator on
her, if
Q. I'mgoing to direct
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Okay.
Q. I believe your report says Epstein touched
her breast?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. So at that point he touched her
breast. Do you recall
A. Right.
you to page 39, second
down.
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1 O. -- if the vibrator was uses that first time
2 or if it was just the touching
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. -- of her breast?
5 A. No. He did touch her breasts as he
6 masturbated.
7 Q. Was she paid money for that visit
8 A. $200.
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9 Q. Did she go back to his h o„
10 A. Yes, she did.
11 Q. And I guess you'v us, for about
12 2 years she went back
13 Is that a y ?
14 A. Yes. <1;l5r
15 Q. She es over a hundred times?
16 A. Y s. e does.
17 Q. Di the situation with progress?
18 A. It did. During the time frame that she was
19 t ding there, over the 2-year period, she
20 ated that every time she went there it didn't
2
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22 sexual encounter. At times that she would go, she
23 would end up just having dinner or talking with
24 Epstein.
25 At one point Epstein introduced his other
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1 assistant,
2 She explained that he had brought her from
3 Yugoslavia to the United States to be his sex
4 slave.
5 Q. Were you ever able to confirm that?
6 A. I know that she is here on a visa, a
7 modeling visa. AiAr
8 Q. You don't know the purpose here,
9 other than you were able to con e visa?
10 A. Yes.
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Q. Okay.
A. She's here for
Q. What did
of sex acts?
15 A. He i
16 Q. came a threesome at some point?
17 A. Rig
18 Q. Okay.
19 . He had asked to perform oral sex on
20 Pada. originally had refused. He enticed
21 her by giving her additional monies to perform
22 this act for 5 minutes.
cribe as the progression
ed Nada into their routine.
23 Q. How much additional money?
24 A. 200 -- $200 extra.
25 Q. And then she agreed?
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1 A. At which point she agreed.
2 Q. Okay. Was it always just the masturbating
3 in front of and sex acts with Nada, or were
4 there additional sex acts with Jeff Epstein?
5 A. It was explained that at one point towards
6 the end, prior to turning 18 or just after,
7 it was -- it had been previously spokenL at there
8 would be no vaginal penetration by Mr Epstein.
9 She had stated that Mr. had a
want have any kind and did not
11 of intercourse with him.
12 It was after o 4o7,Xhe -- where they had
13 purchased sex toys ey introduced the sex toys
14 with Nada and as Epstein would watch on and
15 masturbate
16 A n oint he grabbed and placed her
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head onto e head -- on the massage table and
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Okay. You said they introduced
Nada.
sex toys,
22 Q. Was with her when they were purchased?
23 A. It is -- yes.
24 Q. Okay.
25 A. It was for Epstein's
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1 Q. So and Nada went to purchase the sex
2 toys?
3 A. For Epstein's birthday. Correct.
4 Q. Okay. And during the time that he
5 penetrated her vagina she was either 17 or 18,
6 you're not clear -- clear which?
7 A. Right.
AC; Ar8 Q. Okay.
9 A. It was -- this was towar end.
10 Because after that she stopper g to his res
11 his house.
12 Q. How many hundred times, did she
13 indicate how much she made during this
14 2-year period t t e was going to see him?
15 A. Well s received between 200 and a
16 thousand dol
17 Q. Eac time?
18 A. Each time that she went.
19 The day that he forcibly entered himself
20 Onto her, he paid her a thousand dollars.
21 Also, she had received a rental car from
22 Dollar Rental Car, a blue Dodge Neon, that the
23 previous houseman had rented for her.
24 Q. Did she ever make a report of sexual
25 battery after what she told you about him
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1 inserting his penis inside her?
2 A. What do you mean, sexual battery?
3 Q. Did she -- at that time that he forced his
4 penis inside her, you said?
5 A. II, at that --
6 Q. Did she make --
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A. the day that that occurred?
No.
Ag dio„
Q. -- did she make -- did s (::) and say
A. No, the day it occurr she did not.
Q. That day she took o.sand dollars.
Let's say it's 200 for a hundred
13 times; she's -- we lking a lot of money she
14 got, at a mini us a car?
15 Is t yes?
16 A. YES.
17 Q. Okay. Did you ask her what she did with
18 a th t money?
19 . I did ask her. And she didn't want to tell
224De.
21 Q. What'd she say?
22 A. She said that that was too personal.
23 Q. After you -- she's just described all these
24 sex acts to you.
25 Okay. Did you interview somebody named
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0. Who is
A. Um --
Q. Page 51.
A. Thank you.
Okay, November 4th. She provide!! sworn
8 taped statement that she had been
9 Epstein's house by the -- a fri
10 School,
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A. Correct.
Q. Okay.
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15 provide the ge and would be paid 300 for the
16 massage.
old 17 Q. How
18 A. 17,
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21 A. She was taken to the house and introduced
22 to Epstein's assistant. Pretty much --
23 Q. Which one, Nada --
24 A. -- consistent
25 Q. -- or Sarah?
was she at the time?
I believe.
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1 A. Sarah
2 Q. Okay.
3 A. It was pretty much consistent with all the
4 girls. They would be introduced to the assistant,
5 who would then lead her upstairs and prepare the
6 room for the massage in the bathro m area.
7 She would lay -- put a blanket over th sage
8 tables and provide the ointments t(! ) Epstein
9 would like to have used.
10 She rubbed his calves
11 was paid $300 for her se
12 Q. Was that a one eyEhing with
13 or did ack?
14 A. She sta had gone back four or five
15 times.
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21 y happen. It was the same monies though provided.
22 Q. Okay. So the sex acts became more
23 involved?
24 A. Correct.
25 Q. Okay. She was what, you said 17?
A ky,
Q. S'milc acts each time she went back?
A. Correct.
Q. Similar amounts of money each time?
It -- it started to escalate. I mean, each
(::, ime that she went, further things started to
s back area and
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1 A. Correct.
2 Q. Did she tell Jeff Epstein that she was 17?
3 A. May have, I believe so.
4 Q. Take a minute and look at your report and
5 see if you can find that there.
6 A. Okay. She was 16 when she first w nt to
7 the house.
8 Q. Okay. She was 16. But doe ever tell
( s)
9 him she's 16 or 17?
10 A. No.
11 Q. Did any of the gi
12 they were under 18?
13 A. Well, he k t they went to
14 Scho
r tell him that
15 Q. That ot my question to you.
16 A. O
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of ever tell Jeff Epstein
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20 Q. And some of them affirmatively lied and
21 said they were 18 when they were not, didn't they?
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. But he was aware that they were going to
any
were
24 high school?
25 A. Correct.
the girls
under 18?
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1 Q. Okay. How much money did make?
2 A. $300 for each massage.
3 Q. Was she ever given anything other than cash
4 money?
5 A. She was also given a Western Union wire
6 from New York, for a Christmas bonus.
7 Q. How much was the Christmas bonne .
8 A. $200.
9 Q. All right. At some poin poke with
10 someone named Alfredo Rodriquez
11 A. Correct.
12 Q. Who is he?
13 A. He's a for seman of Jeffrey Epstein.
14 Q. What di a scribe his duties when he was
15 at -- emploo~e Mr. Epstein?
16 A. H wa asically everything. He was the
17 butl the driver, in charge of his security. He
18 w ba ically the -- everything for the house.
19 . Okay. Do it all. He did anything,
20 indiscernible) wanted to?
21 A. Right.
22 Q. Okay. Did he -- did Alfredo Rodriguez give
23 you any information regarding your investigation?
24 A. He explained that he knew something was
25 amiss during his employ with Mr. Epstein.
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1 He would see girls as young as his daughter
2 come in and say that they're his masseuses.
3 And when asked, how young?
4 He said, very young. Too young to be a
5 masseuse.
6 Q. Did he give you any other informa ion?
7 A. He also stated that he had kep a lder
8 for his protection. Some notes t e made
9 during his employ with Mr. Eps
10 Q. What -- so he kept 1 a journal?
11 A. Basically, yes. folder with
12 different sheets of inside.
13 Q. And he wou Ste notes himself or he
14 would put note in hat journal?
15 A. He w,tua t notes inside.
16 Q. O
17 A. Notes
18 s tiOcary.
19 . Was there any note that he provided to you
20 n that folder that indicated something any
21 type of relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and
22 any of the girls we've discussed?
23 A. Yes. He provided two sheets. One was to
24 extend the rental car for , as the contract
25 was up the 2nd of February.
that were given to him on Epstein's
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1 Q. The 2nd of February what year?
2 A. I was unable to determine that.
3 I researched the information through Dollar
4 Rent A Car and they were unable to locate the car
5 that he rented.
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gotten a car?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay.
A. She even explained
confirm that she had
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and had a
Okay. And do you know when that was?
to Janusz.
It was during his employ,
Q. Do you know if that was when was 16 or
when she was 17 or when she was 18?
A. When she was 17.
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1 Q. Okay. Did you -- any of these girls we've
2 talked about, any of them a licensed massage
3 therapist?
4 A. No. No formal training in any massages.
5 Q. Did you ever speak to licensed massage
6 therapists that provided services to Jeffrey
7 Epstein. Afilmc
8 A. Through the trash pulls we d ocate two
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interviewed. )
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11 Q. Who were they?
12 A. One was
13 was
14 Q. Okay. ou talk to
15 A. Yes,
16 Q. she tell you?
17 A Sh ad been going to Epstein's house for
18 e time. However, she was not a masseuse
19 that time when she first started going to his
20 use. He also provided her a vehicle to get to
21 his house, because her scooter had broken down.
22 She was --
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25 A. That is correct.
Q•
and the other one
She started going to his house in a similar
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1 Q. Okay. But she later became a massage
2 therapist?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. What kind of relationship did
5 and Jeffrey Epstein have?
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14 A. And addit 1 y, I believe he paid her
15 tuition at
16 Q. I th where she got her massage therapy
17 training?
18 A. No. She got into the
19
Okay. All right. What -- you mentioned a
21 She's a licensed massage
22 therapist?
23 A. That is correct.
24 Q. Did she provide massage services to Jeff
25 Epstein?
A. She stated that it was a consensual sexual
encounters that they've had.
AC; ArQ. How old was she at the time?
A. Over 18 at that time. I she was 18.
Q. Was she -- did she descr being paid
A. Paid money.
money for -- 0;)
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. What kind of services did she provide?
3 A. She does a Swedish deep tissue massage.
4 Q. Did the massages by go
5 beyond a normal massage to the other acts we've
6 heard about today?
7
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13 A. Right.
14 Q. Okay. Wh were -- you've met most of
15 these girls s there anything different about
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stan apar from the other girls that were going?
A. was not the petite little girl.
19 he as a bigger girl, with plenty of tattoos on
20 r forearms, very visible on her neck. Very
21 visible tattoos.
22 Q. If you were to say Mr. Epstein had a type,
23 she would not fit that type?
24 A. II, absolutely.
25 Q. Were you ever able to find any intelligence
A
A. No. No, her job was strictly tome in,
provide the massage. She got paid(::) ndred
Q. Okay. So the licensed -ge therapist
gets a hundred dollars, t er girls get much
more?
Act )
that you noticed that made her
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1 from the Palm Beach County Police Department that
2 confirmed any of these girls being in his house,
3 other than girls saying so?
4 A. Through physical surveillance.
5 I had researched all the intelligence that
6 the police have gathered during the past ouple
7 years. And in 2004 Mr. Rodriguez, the er
8 houseman, had called the police be he had
9 seen a suspicious vehicle that not
10 recognize in the driveway of r.
11 Mr. Rodriguez was g in from Publix
12 and didn't recognize v isle, so he left and
13 drove straight to lice department and
14 notified 'em t e s a strange vehicle in the
15 driveway.
16 W at vehicle was approached by the
house.
17 poli officers they found sitting in
18 t 's - the car
19 . Does it identify who the friend is?
20 A. Uh --
21 + Q. And when you look at that report, what is
22 the date that
with her friend.
was there in 2004?
23 A. November 28, 2004.
24 And at which point her cell phone rang.
25 And the officer felt that it must have been her
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1 mother because she says, I can't talk, I'm in
2 school.
3 Q. Okay. Did the officer note why
4 was there?
5 A. She stated that she was there to pick up
6 monies that were owed to her. That she i a
7 massage therapist for Mr. Epstein.
8 Q. Okay. The girls you talked ow did
9 they all typically tend to know e ther, of
10 those that do? Were they a in chool together?
11 A. They were all -- I knew each other
12 from
13 All except
14 Q. Because e -- knew from outside
15 of school?
16 A. C rre She knew because she was
17 dati cousin.
18 Q. Okay. At some point did you obtain a
19 ea ch warrant for Jeffrey Epstein's home?
0 A. Correct. I did.
21 y Q. When was that?
22 A. That was in October.
23 Q. Page 42.
24 A. October 12, 2005 -- oops, I'm sorry. That
25 was the -- nope, that was in another interview.
chool.
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A. October 20th.
Q. You got the warrant on October 18th and
4 executed it on October 20th?
5 A. Correct.
6 Q. Okay. Who was present with you wh n you
7 executed that warrant?
8 A. Various members of the poli artment.
9 Detective Crowell, Sergeant Fri ective Dix,
10 Detective Dawson, Detective n n, myself, crime
11 Scene Manager Greg Par4ki
12 Q. Okay.
13 A. There was Agi;of people in the -- from
14 the police dep
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15 Q. All jt ght, And Greg Parkinson is outside?
16 A.
17 Q. Okay.
18 t re as an
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wi torpedo?
20 A. Yes. 14...)
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Q. What is that item?
During the execution of that warrant
item found that's identified as a
22 A. That is a -- it is known as a dildo.
23 Q. Okay. A sexual toy that you buy
24 A. A sexual toy.
25 Q. Okay. Where was that found?
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1 A. That was found in the bedroom of -- I want
2 to say Nada's bedroom.
3 Q. Okay. Is that the bedroom that the girls
4 were taken to when they performed the messages, as
5 described by -- to you?
6 A. The main the main massages occu red in
7 Epstein's bedroom/bathroom area.
9 A. No.
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8 Q. Not Nada's -- 5:
10 Q. -- bedroom/bathroomaroma? f
11 A. No.
12 Q. Okay.
13 place?
14 A. Correct
So that und in a different
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16 vibrator( fo d, anything, that matched the
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vibrator with a large
21 y MS. BELOHLAVEK: At this point,
22 Detective Recarey, I'm going to see if the
23 grand jurors have any questions for you.
24 THE WITNESS: Okay.
25 A JUROR: I'd like to ask you a
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25 THE WITNESS: He has various counsels
medical purposes.
You'll
Yes,
A R • Do you know the location of
Jeff at present?
ou say that he hasn't been back
since October.
or union with the sexual organ of another;
anal or vaginal penetration of another by
any other object; or the handli the
fondling of the sexual orga another for
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term does not include ct or bona fide
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a copy of this.
THE WITNESS: He has various homes.
One in New York. He has a ranch in New
and one in England.
with him? You would have a way to do that?
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THE WITNESS: There w total of
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A JUROR:
THE WITN s far as penile
intercourse.
Right.
15 ITNESS: I believe it was two.
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like was the center focal point who
^, ' y not appear from what I'm hearing, it's not
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22 It seemed like Epstein had multiple
23 sources to have access to some of these
24 young girls. Is that correct?
25 THE WITNESS: All these girls were in
BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir.
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2 first one from that clique to go to the
3 house.
4 A JUROR: Okay.
5 THE WITNESS: Basically was the --
6 she brought brought
7 brought
8 A JUROR: Right.
9 THE WITNESS: So i ike a
10 trickling effect.
11 A JUROR: So this -- I mean,
12 it just kind o like this little
13 micro-econ spawned here.
14 A i oes not -- I mean, do any of
15 thes s provide those types of services
16 f r mo ey for anyone else? Do they do
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THE WITNESS: No.
19 A JUROR: -- on a common basis or --
220) THE WITNESS: No.
A JUROR: -- does it just so happen 21
22 that Epstein is the source by which they're
23 attracted to here?
24 THE WITNESS: Epstein was the source.
25 A JUROR: Okay.
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present occupation, Detective?
THE WITNESS: She is a -- an exotic
dancer.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: A stripper?
6 THE WITNESS: A stripper.
7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay.
8 A JUROR: Who is that
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MS. BELOHLAVEK:_
11 Yes, sir?
12 A JUROR:
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Jeffrey entered
13 did she ask_1ji o stop at all?
14 TH SS: She screamed no.
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19 (...44Se t:ousand dollars. Subsequently then
2,04i> .)
21 THE WITNESS: After that, yes.
22 A JUROR: Okay.
23 And the second question. You had
24 made comment that Dollar Rental Car wasn't
25 able to find the --
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JUROR: And he continued?
THE WITNESS: -- said no.
A JUROR: So he stopped.
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A JUROR: -- car rental.
Have you been able to confirm the
actual --
THE WITNESS: Subpoenas have been
issued to Dollar Rent A Car.
I have their techs resear g it.
8 They were acquired by anoth pany, so
9 some of the business rec
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23 THE WITNESS: I'm sorry?
24 A JUROR: How many of the girls
25 had -- were seeing him for more than a year
then
re not up to
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hopefully
reminding th -
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that
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correct.
still rent -- they rented the
A JUROR: Okay.
A JUROR: How many of the girls had
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THE WITNESS: I know that all of them
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18 MS. BELOHLAVEK: So this is
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23 THE WITNESS: Yes.
24 A JUROR: Can you name the two girls
25 that the vaginal penetration took place
The age of graduation is 18. I would
say they all, because they all him
through Rpool.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: T tion is the
length period. This -- it's one
time.
Like wi
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it was numerous --
for 2 years.
Over 2 years.
ELOHLAVEK: , 15 or
longstanding with --
THE WITNESS: Right.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: -- many of these
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21 THE WITNESS: Except for maybe the
22 legitimate masseuse,
23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: But the only one
24 that was under 16 at the time was
25 THE WITNESS: Right. She was 14.
A JUROR: And how many then would, in
your opinion, defined by the sexual act --
how many other girls would fall un er that
category? Can you give me some e of
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BELOHLAVEK: -- of the girls.
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay.
A JUROR: Other than
stepmother coming to the police, she
5 obviously found out from the Principal.
6 But the other girls, none of their, parents
7 knew about it or intervened in way?
8 THE WITNESS: It wasn'
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was at that time that
And to this
doing. It
d stopped.
e still gets phone
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13 number, th changed the -- changed
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JUROR:
17 bringing home this money, they're obviously
18 shopping, bringing home items; and none of
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21 they had no idea what was going on.
22 A JUROR: I can't believe that. I
23 mean --
24 MS. BELOHLAVEK: You have to ask
25 questions. Not comments.
Cause here these girls are
parents got involved in any way? the
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3 A JUROR: Let's see, you mentioned
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A JUROR:
there perhaps
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her groups of girls
chools or other areas that
into that -- his home?
15 ITNESS: Not that I'm aware of.
16 T e c on link here was
17 School.
18 And there was actually comments made
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in School that does
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22 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir?
23 A JUROR: The girl that brought these
24 girls got $200, was that
25 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes. She was one of
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2 A JUROR: Then --
3 MS. BELOHLAVEK: There was another
4 girl that brought them.
5 A JUROR: Okay. Then after he got
6 some of their cell phone numbers, id he
7 make his own appointments, did h till pay
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11 THE WITNESS: eventually they did
12 cut out ld contact these girls
13 directly.
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16 m ke e appointments or was it done
17 through ?
18 THE WITNESS: Through
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22 with Jeffrey Epstein himself?
23 THE WITNESS: Correct.
24 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Were you able to
25 talk with
THE WITNESS: Thaterect.
that's -- okay.
ELOHLAVEK: Did Jeffrey Epstein
his -- his assistant.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: So we don't have any
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A JUROR: So claimed to make it
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18 know, usually a Senior can be 18 years old,
19 whereas a Junior is, you know, that was --
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22 knowledge of knowing how old she was.
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24 A JUROR: The two girls that received
25 rental cars, their parents never asked them
was going she was in high school. She
he knew that?
THE WITNESS: He knew Virictha sed on
the sending the flowers to h chool for
her high school play thaYiAs as in.
else? MS. BELOHLAVEK:
A JUROR:
received the f
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what year, when she
what class was she
in? Was it nior? A Junior?
THE' N SS: I want to say Senior,
a hundred percent positive on
THE WITNESS: Right.
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driving?
THE WITNESS: The one girl,
, who's still driving the car; she's
attending college at
Her parents live up here in in
area. Ailic
AcItWhen she does frequen parents,
the car is a friend's ca borrowed.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Y sir?
A JUROR: (I • rnible) confirm, I
believe it was ad indicated that the
13 conversation4w h Jeffrey Epstein was
14 that -- tb likesure that the girls were
15 youn "S issy
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17 A JUROR: And the younger the better,
18 right? That was a
19 THE WITNESS: Younger the better was
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the quote.
21 A JUROR: And in that conversation,
22 was that in reference to specifically your
23 friends from your school or --
24 THE WITNESS: That came later.
25 Because she brought a 23-year old to
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too old.
A JUROR: Right. Okay.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay.
A JUROR: Can I ask you a legal
question?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Mm-hmm.
14411 A JUROR: Is there (i ).
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yet. t we can
discuss that when the e ive's not here.
11 Yes, sir?
12 A JUROR: 11 these girls
13 available t alled if the case went to
14 court?
15 ACS oWITNESS: If we went to trial?
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17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions?
18 Yes, sir.
19 A JUROR: Have you been able to
verify Mr. Epstein's age? 20 2
THE WITNESS: Mr. Epstein was born in
22 1951, I believe. 51 or 53. January of
23 1953. January 20, 1953. Which would have
24 made him 52, 53 years of age.
25 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And 51 -- 50, 51
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THE WITNESS: Correct.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. All right.
Thank you very much.
A JUROR: One more.
THE WITNESS: I think there's another
question. AhA r
g glo,
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Oops. rry.
A JUROR: Is there her evidence
that the girls were i. hi ouse besides
the one tape, bes' at they're saying?
THE WITN e did have two
cameras, rt hidden cameras inside
his house security purposes. We did
loca computer.
reviewed the images in the
com;; uter, and within that computer there
are photographs of girls that I had
previous interviewed that appears to be
them.
However, because it's so grainy, so
snowy, a positive rec -- a positive
identification is -- you know, it's hard
to -- unless you show it to the girl, is
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1 Which I haven't done, because I --
2 too much information was being leaked back
3 to him. So that's why I pretty much
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: So you can't say
specifically then the pictures a of the
girls involved?
THE WITNESS: I ca Y
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ust like
mannerisms of walking,
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18 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And the girls are
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22÷‘..) your investigation.
21 THE WITNESS: I know for a fact that
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24 Nada.
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1 has called. And other girls that
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: And there are other
girls that refuse to talk to you?
THE WITNESS: Right.
7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: I love J
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A JUROR: One Didn't you
say that the plac lm Beach has the
residence unde i Ilance?
THE When the -- when I took
over th n tigation I had our TAC team
cond ysical surveillance. And they
16 o d these girls coming to the
17 residence in in their dad's
18 car, in
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22÷0 A JUROR: So you do have witnesses
21 that can put these girls in
22 THE WITNESS: Absolutely
23 A JUROR: that particular
24 THE WITNESS: Absolutely.
25 A JUROR: There's one other thing. I
their
their
mom's
vehicles,
cars, coming
house seeing Epstein. The --
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: In or at his home.
Not in sex acts though.
THE WITNESS: No, not in sex acts.
They were conducting surveillance from the
outside.
ivekA JUROR: I know. Did you d any
telephone research or was ev 1)111 done
over cell phones?
THE WITNESS: Ever ng was done
over cell phones.
MS. BELO All right.
13 Than very much Detective
14 Recarey.
15 Gass excused. )
16 ITNESS GREGORY PARKINSON)
17 MS. DUGGAN: Okay. Would you raise
18 ICIIhyour right hand?
19 O THE WITNESS: Yes.
20 MS. DUGGAN: Do you swear or affirm
21 the testimony you're about to give today
22 will be the truth, the whole truth, and
23 nothing but the truth, so help you got?
24 THE WITNESS: Yes, I do.
25 EXAMINATION
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1 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK:
2
3 grand jurors, please?
Q. Okay. Would you introduce yourself to the
4 A. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
5 My name is Gregory Parkinson.
6 Q.
7 law enforcement officer?
8 A.
9 started on October 25th of 1966
10 Q. And
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20 partment, where I am still currently employed.
21 Q. What is your position with Palm Beach
22 Police
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24 also hold the title of civilian where I am in
25 charge of the crime scene investigation unit, the
Department, where I
retired on July 3rd‘ the
I had the
the next da
Attorney ce where I worked for 3 years.
How -- how long have you been employed as a
AAgl?or
I have been in business 40 yga now. I
where were you worki hen?
lm Beach Police
or 34 years, until I
year 2000.
f July off and went to work
investigator for the State
t on February 14th of 2003, had the
Department?
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1 photography unit, the evidence holding unit, and
2 the fingerprint unit.
3 Q. In your capacity as the crime scene head
4 did you take part in the search warrant executed
5 on Jeffrey Epstein's house on August --
6 October 20, 2005?
7 A. Yes, I did. Ahmk ,
8 Q. Tell us how you go about exe Ong a search
9 warrant in general.
10 A. Once the warrant is si•n nd brought back
11 to headquarters, I am not ¶ of this at that
12 time.
13 On this morn<) which was a Thursday
14 morning, when I o the morning briefing, at
15 that time I formed that a search warrant
16 would be exe ed and that it would be at a
17 resi ence.
18 My responsibility is to then assemble a
19 a of evidence specialists and crime scene
20 ocessors that will respond to this unannounced
21 scene. We don't even know where we're going until
22 we are in a -- what looks like a funeral
23 procession or a parade; all the cars are ready to
24 go. We follow the lead car. And only then, when
25 we arrive, do we know the location.
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1 Q. Why is that done?
2 A. It's -- it's an issue of security, it's an
3 issue of privacy, and it's an issue of officer
4 safety, so that there is a guarantee that there
5 can be no leak of any information, even as simple
6 as an address, from my office.
7 And we prefer to operate in that4nner.
8 So we don't know until we get there
9 All we really need to kn hat are we
10 going to be going into, so that know the volume
11 of bags, the volume of bo the volume of gloves
12 or masks or processin or lab coats; whether
13 we would need head o r to protect -- or to
14 prevent contamin on of a scene or shoe covers,
15 which will s event contamination of the
16 scene.
17 We n't need to know a lot about the
18 s ne, we only need to know what type of evidence
19 going to be looking for, and the potential
20 lume or size of the area.
21 Knowing this, we are then prepared to go to
22 the scene and do whatever's necessary to fulfill
23 the requirements of the search warrant, and that
24 is searching for specific items.
25 Q. Mr. Parkinson, so that would -- in addition
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1 to officer safety; so that someone's not waiting
2 there to ambush you; also, nobody at the place to
3 be searched knows you're coming so they can just
4 dispose of things?
5 A. That is correct.
6 Q. Okay. On this date, October 20th, where
7 did you go? AhAr
8 A. I went to a residence located the island
9 of Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, ida. With
10 an address of 358 El Brillo.
11 The 300 block is t e ck just immediately
12 west of the Intracoast erway.
13 Q. East of the n acoastal Waterway?
14 A. It is on east side of the Intracoastal
15 Waterway. this particular residence is
16 on the I stal Waterway.
17 Q. Oki. Describe to us how the house is
18
19 The residence had staff or personnel
20 esent at the time of our arrival. Detective
21 Recarey went in ahead of me.
22 And understanding that once you enter the
23 property there is a heightened danger factor with
24 persons or personnel on the scene. And the first
25 thing that must be done, for everyone's safety, is
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1 to go in and not search for items, but clear the
2 residence of living human beings, so that there
3 can be no access to weapons or any endangerment to
4 them. This was done. And I took part in the
5 search of the second floor on the west end of the
6 residence.
7 All the living persons and th4were no
8 dead persons there -- so all of the • sons,
to the south 9 non-police persons, were escort
10 side of the residence into a •atop/area.
11 0. Were they allowed
12 the home with them?
13 A. No. Nor did t1 police look, touch, or
14 move anything; o han opening doors, closets,
e any items out of
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16 I wa ot a search in the sense of the
wa nt at this time. It was a search of search
were no other persons inside.
idence to clear it and neutralize any
This was done. This was accomplished.
At this time officer -- Detective Recarey
22 would read out loud, word for word, the search
23 warrant to those persons that were removed from
24 the house.
25 My responsibility at this time was to video
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and audio record the reading of that search
warrant to these persons. That I did. And
recorded it until the conclusion of the reading of
the search warrant.
Q. Okay. Were you requested by myself to
prepare a diagram of the upper floor
Q. What rooms are on that u
A. There are several rooms
of the home
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are located on
the second floor. It is pa lly an L-shaped
appearance where theC es dy of the house is
aligned east and w tx here is an L-shaped short
leg which protru tb the north. That actually
sits -- tha sits over a three car garage.
nd floor contains a -- on the west
end, a la bedroom, which is aligned
th ;nd south. And then off of the south side
is a large bedroom and large closet.
ming back through the bedroom to the north side
there is another bathroom.
And these are quite large bathrooms.
A. -- you know, not like my house.
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1 Q. Is this the diagram you prepared?
2 A. Yes, it is.
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11 And this, coincide is a double door
12 main entrance to the f the house. And once
13 inside -- oops.
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16 O ce ering the front door and coming up
17 the stair you entered a landing. Once inside
18 t la ding, it is basically a very long hallway.
19 hi hallway double door set here and a
20 uble door set here. They open inward on the
21 east side; they open inward on the west side.
22 Once coming through this hallway you then
23 reach a normal size door which gives you access to
24 the bedroom. Which, this is the
25 bedroom. This is the large bathroom on the south
Q. Okay. Can I ask you to step down and --
A. Yes.
Q. -- indicate to the grand jurors what the
upstairs looks like, what rooms we're seeing here.
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1 side. And this is the large walk-in closet of
2 which there are two doors that you can enter and
3 walk in all the way through and back out to the
4 other.
5 And, again, moving back through the
6 bedroom, past the hallway you then enter another
7 large bathroom which has a sink, close and a
8 large bathtub.
Ac;/or
9 And it was right in here,fw looked very
10 similar to a dentist's chair,
11 light. It has all kinds
12 it. I don't know
13 Q. And that wa related to the
14 investigation?
W1 ut the big
es and things on
t that thing would do.
15 A. No. just part of the furniture
16 there, l'Zt- similar to, a bed was here and a
17 credenza o0er here.
18 Q Are there toilet facilities here or is it
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4.5 20 A. I believe that there were toilets also
21A ÷ there in the
22 Q. All right. Did you find a massage table?
23 A. Yes. There was massage table in this
24 clos -- bathroom.
in these bathrooms?
25 Q. Okay. How about massage oils? Were there
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1 massage oils up in that bathroom?
2 A. I believe there were. I know that we got
3 some kind of a jar of material out of this IM=
4 bedroom, one of -- out of the dresser.
5 Q. What about out of the actual room where the
6 massage table was?
7 A. That, I'm not sure.
464 fr
8 I was involved in the actua rch and
9 photography of that. Other inv ors would
10 have to comment on it.
11 Q. Okay. Do you have reports
12 A. Yes, I do.
13 Q. -- from thos.estigators?
14 A. I -- well ve the evidence sheets
15 Q. Okay
A
16 A. - of ere things were found.
17 Q. Oka . Could you see if there were any
18 m sac oils found within the same room where the
ge table was.
20
19
A. I don't have a listing of that in the
21 packet that I have here.
22 Q. Okay. And items that would be taken into
23 custody by the police department would be itemized
24 on the property receipt like that?
25 A. That's true.
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1 Q. Okay. But -- and so there was a massage
2 oil found by the bedroom, this room?
3 A. Yes. And I actually had that pointed out
4 to me by Detective Recarey. And it was called a
5 bottle -- or a Joy Jelly. And it was from the
6 bedroom on the -- in the credenza which was
PAA
7 right here.
8 Q. Okay. You can have a seat
9 A. Thank you. S
10 Q. Thank you. C
11 You've had a chap jgo over those
12 receipts of all the p ~c7.y that was contained?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Did any officers find a purple
15 vibrator in me?
16 A. I aveyftem 24, which -- which may be that.
17 I hav not actually seen it, but it's called a
18 cl
19 " . All right. The twin torpedo was not found
2,1:14i 1 the
the other bedroom?
bedroom though, wasn't it found in
21
22 I think Detective Recarey testified it was
23 found in Ghislaine Max -- or Nada's bedroom?
24 A. I don't know. I don't have a listing right
25 here on this particular document as to where it
pedo.
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1 was found on the evidence sheet. That would be
2 covered in Detective Recarey's report.
3
4
5
6
Q. Nothing listed as a purple vibrator though?
A. Not on the sheets that I have.
Q. What about a vibrator?
A. I don't remember seeing a vibrator.
7 That may have been something that was vered by
8 them and photographed by CSI Pavlic
9 Q. But you have the propert pts in this
10 case, and it's not listed?
11 A. I don't see it lispe % re. No.
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20 on your list of --
21 THE WITNESS: Not on the list that I
22 have here, sir.
23 A JUROR: That's the only sexual toy
24 you have?
25 THE WITNESS: Pardon?
Q. Okay.
going to e itthe grand jurors have any
IIt AVEK: At this point I'm t
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furt r stions for you.
(Alc ;4It
s)
E WITNESS: I'm at your service.
Yes, sir?
I llialr A JUROR: Do you have any sexual
toys, other than the double -headed torpedo
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1 A JUROR: That's the only sexual toy
2 you have that was confiscated in this --
3 search?
4 THE WITNESS: I believe, to my
5 knowledge, it is. I haven't seen the
6 or purple, so I can't --
7 A JUROR: Or any other ty f sexual
S toy, period.
Ac d/or
9 THE WITNESS: Righ sonally I
10 have not seen those.
11 A JUROR:
12 THE WITN but that is not
13
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17
18
19
20 to the search, recording the reading of the
21 search warrant. And then, folks, also
22 after the search I go through and re-video
23 to show that the police did not do any
24
25 locked and secured.
uncommon ei e because of the nature of
this inve t ion.
active Recarey would be the one
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specific items.
Other than filming the room itself --
or I'm sorry -- the residence itself prior
the knowledge on all those
damage. And then the door is finally
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1 So there would be areas, while I was
2 in it I photographed it from a video
3 standpoint, I would not have direct
4
5
6
knowledge of the -- some of the items that
were found, but Detective Recarey would.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: And you obtained
7 copies of all the evidence shee
8 evidence checked in; correc
AR r
9 THE WITNESS: As - nk so. Yes.
10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Ye
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. BELOHLAVEK: Okay.
17
18 I lilliv THE WITNESS: Yes, sir?
19 A JUROR: Is that report just from
20 O the bedroom or from all the bedrooms
21 on the second floor?
22 THE WITNESS: Actually, it represents
23 the entire residence, plus the two -- the
24 servants quarters, barracks; and on the
25 southwest corner, the fitness and exercise
THE WITNESS:
MS BELOH And only that twin
torpedo is ly sexual item listed?
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SS: As best I can tell you.
Corr
Yes, sir?
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1 room. I believe this encompasses --
2 A JUROR: Can you --
3 THE WITNESS: -- everything.
4 A JUROR: Can you point out on that
5 what -- the room was that this woman Nadia
6 was in?
7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Are you E liar
8 with which bedroom was Nadia' .
9 THE WITNESS: I am
10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: D tive Carey
11 Recarey, we can --
12 THE WITN ight.
13 O AVEK: -- bring him back to
14 show that •k
15 TNESS: Right.
(AL)
16 . BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions?
17
18 L. ICZII* A JUROR: Was the suspect at the
19
20 warrant, sir?
21 THE WITNESS: No, sir. He was not.
22 A JUROR: Thank you.
23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir?
24 A JUROR: Do your warrant s have
25 anything listed for like computer equipment
Yes, sir.
y.
In the back.
house at the time that you served the
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1 or things like that or is it --
2 THE WITNESS: It did.
3 A JUROR: It did?
4 THE WITNESS: Yes.
5
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10
And we did take computer equipment.
A JUROR: And is -- can you say
what's on it or --
THE WITNESS:
special investigations u
And while I saw --
AiAr
i;eThat was idled by the
C:!)
ually
11 physically saw the ters, and saw them
12 disconnected a ved, I never saw
13 anything th on those computers.
14 A J R And did they confiscate
15 pass r r anything from anyone in the
16 h e --
17 THE WITNESS: No, sir. Not
18 ?s eICIII:19:ssports.
And there were weapons in the house,
rifles --
A JUROR: And they left them.
22 THE WITNESS: -- that -- yes, sir.
23 They were left behind because that
24 was never part of what we were looking for,
25 so those were all left behind.
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1 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, sir?
2 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir?
3
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6
7
8 A JUROR: The people
9 they were.
10 THE WITNESS: I n tand one was
11 the property mana
12 think he was e ermanic or possibly
13 Polish, he Eastern European accent.
14 That was the only person?
15 ITNESS: No. There were, I
16 t ink ythree other people.
17 A JUROR: Who were they?
were, sir.
18 THE WITNESS: I don't know who they
19 !
20 O MS. BELOHLAVEK: We can ask Detective
21 Recarey.
22 THE WITNESS: Right. Detective
23 Recarey would know who they were.
24 A JUROR: Do you know that the
25 gentlemen that owned the house was out
A JUROR: Could you tell us, the
people that that you found there, who
they were?
THE WITNESS: Do I know who they
were? AkAr
. Who
-- manager. I
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1 did they tell you he was out of town?
2 THE WITNESS: Yes. We knew he was
3 out of town. Yes.
4 MS. BELOHLAVEK: All right. Thank
5 you.
6 THE WITNESS: Thank you all very
7 much.
AC5 Ar8 (Witness excused.)
9 (WITNESS JOE RECAR LLED)
10 CONTINUED EXAMI ON
11 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK:
12 Q. You're still u th.
13 Who was in me when the search warrant
14 was executed?
15 A. Seve igners from New York City, and
16 Janusz B , his current houseman.
17 Q. Oka And where were those people located
18 i the ansion?
19 . In
20 ~at were in the main living
21 Q. Downstairs
22 A. Downstairs, first floor.
23 Q. Okay. Computers were seized?
24 A. One computer -- two computers were seized.
25 One was the covert cameras, and the other one was
the kitchen area. And there were some
room area.
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1 Mr. Banasiak's personal computer.
2 Q. On either the cameras or the personal
3 computer, did you find any evidence documenting
4 the sexual activity of these girls
5 (indiscernible)?
6 A. No.
7 Q. You spoke earlier about a twin edo that
8 was found in Nada's bedroom?
9 A. Correct. O
10 Q. Using the diagram pre•ar y Investigator
11 Parkinson, can you indic re -- which bedroom
12 that was in the house'
S e.
13 A. It would ha vi n down towards this
14 bedroom here, I
15 Q. And as the massage table?
16 A. age -- well, each room has various
17 mass e ta3les. And this was -- this was the
18 m to bedroom with his bath. And there
19 ssage tables here, here, and -- as well as
20 Ciotographs all through here.
21 Q. Okay. And the massage table the girls
22 described, was it in this room?
23 A. Correct. It was in the bathroom
24 here.
25 Q. Okay. And other than the twin torpedo,
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1 there were no other sexual toys found in the
2 house, other than the jelly from bedside?
3 A. The Joy Jelly. That's it.
4 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions
5 for Detective Recarey?
6 A JUROR: What is Jeffrey Epstein's
7 occupation? Just for the recor
8 THE WITNESS: He is a • stor. He
9 invests billionaires' mo •
10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: A ight.
11 Thank you v
12 A JUROR: -- one more.
13 MS. B VEK: Sorry.
14 A J R Is he a United States
15 citin*
16 VE WITNESS: Yes.
17 A JUROR: Born here?
18 I ll'Ir THE WITNESS: Yes, sir.
19 MS. BELOHLAVEK: All right.
20 O Thank you, Detective Recarey.
21 (Witness excused.)
22 (WITNESS )
23 MS. BELOHLAVEK: I'm going to ask you
24 to stand up for a second and raise your
25 right hand.
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1 Do you swear to tell the truth, the
2 whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so
3 help you God?
4 THE WITNESS: Yes.
5
6
7
8 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK:
9 You're
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. All right.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Okay. Go ahead and
have a seat.
COSA
EXAMINATION
going to request
12 that you do one thing it you're here -- or two.
13 Tell the tr
14 And numb any questions you're asked,
15 make sure y wer yes or no. Not uh-huh or
16 uh-uh. t d 't come out real clear.
17 Ai e:
18 Q. Okay. Okay is good too.
Okay.
19 All right. How old are you, _-
20
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troduce yourself. What's your name?
21 A.
22 Q.
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. How old are you?
25 A. 18.
umber one.
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Q. When's your birthday?
A.
Q. Where do you live?
A. In
Q. How long have you lived there?
A. Probably about 15 years or so.
7 Q. Who do you live with?
8
9 Q. Where did you go to
10 A. $
11 Q. Are you still in h' ool?
14 A. I got a
Q. Did you
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13
12 A. No.
15 Q. And d you do that?
16 A.
17 All right. Of this year, 2006?
18
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22 Q.
23 A.
24 Q.
25
A. My father and his girlfriend
A.
high school?
A. 12th.
Okay. What grade were you in when you left
Do you know someone named
Yes.
How do you know
A. I met her through school and mutual
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1 friends.
2 Q. How old is in relation to you?
3 Are you the same age? Older? Younger?
4 A. I believe she's about a year older than
S me --
6 Q. Okay.
7 A. -- if not the same age. AhAr
8 Q. Was she in school with you?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Was she a Senior when ou re a Senior?
11 A. I think she was o e ahead of me.
12 Q. Okay. What kir94 elationship did you
13 have with
14 A. Um, we w1YeMxiends, you could say.
15 Q. Okay now somebody named Jeffrey
16 Epstein?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. ow did you go about meeting Jeffrey
19
294i A. introduced us.
21 Q. Did she take you over there one day or did
22 she talk to you about going there before you went?
23 A. She talked to me a little bit about it
24 beforehand, and then she went with me.
25 Q. Okay. Let's talk about that conversation
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7 to dress to do the massage?
1 between you and . What was it about?
2 A. She said that there was a man that lived in
3 Palm Beach. And that he was looking for young
4 girls to -- really, all she said beforehand was
5 that it would be a massage.
6 Q. Did she describe to you how you would have
4 0„
8 A. She said to dress very girl t that was
9 really all that she said before
10 Q. Did she talk about how y he wanted the
11 girls? 5)
12 A. No. 4
13 Q. Did she eve t about if you were asked
14 your age what o d say?
15 A. No.
16 Q. O ay. hen did you first go to Jeffrey
17 Epst n's ome?
18 A. Um, I'm really not sure.
19 . Okay. Approximate time. Were you in your
20 enior year at school or was it your Junior year
21 at school?
22 A. My Junior year.
23 Q. So you would have been how old were you
24 in your Senior year?
25 A. I -- well --
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3
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Q. You turned 18 --
A. -- I turned 18 --
Q. -- in your Senior year?
A. -- in my Senior year, yes.
So I was 16 and 17 in my junior year.
Q. During the time that you went to Jeffrey
7 Epstein's home were you 16 or 17?
8 A. I believe 16 the first time, --
9 Q. And then your birthday's
10 A. Yes.
11
12
13
14
Q. 2004 you turned 17 then 2005 you're 17
when you go there?
4 rA. Yes.
Q. Okay. Tg l sdo about the first time that
15 you went th
16 A.
17 Q. I know this is difficult. They've heard
18 o er pings, so don't be embarrassed. They just
19 5ee you to be honest.
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20 A. I came in, and he asked me to take off my
21 shirt. And I gave him a back massage. And that
22 was more or less all that it was the first time.
23 Q. Okay. Did you take off your shirt when he
24 asked you to?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. Was that only item of clothing you took off
2 that time?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Did he give you money for giving him a back
5 massage that first time?
6 A. Yes.
7
8
9
10 wet er t you w teer 1 . )
11 A. I may have alread 17. I'm not a
12 hundred percent sure. ASs„,
13 Q. Okay. You ve been 17 even the first
14 time?
15 A. Righ
16 Q. 0 ow did it come about that you went
17 back o his house?
18
A:
she gave them my phone number.
asked me if it would be okay if I
19
20 And I said, yes.
21 Q. How were you contacted about going back
22 again?
23 A. Um, one of two girls that lived at the
24 house would call me. One was Nadia, and the
25 other, I can't remember her name.
Q. How much?
AC; ArA. $200.
Q. Now you said the first t' think you
e 16. Aft hat
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2
3
4
5
Q. Was it Sarah?
A. Sarah. Yes.
Q. Okay. And they would call your cell phone?
A. Yes.
Q. How many times do you think you went back
6 to Jeffrey Epstein's home?
7 A. Maybe 10 or so.
A
8 Q. Do you recall telling the de ive you
9 thought maybe 15 times?
10 A. Possibly. I'm really ot
11 Q. Numerous times?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Okay. The time was just a massage,
14 and you got the
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. 10' rogress to something other than
17 just assaging
18 A. Yes.
19 Tell us about what it progressed to?
He asked me to be completely naked while
21 doing it.
him?
22 Q. Did you do that?
23 A. Yes.
24 He asked me to touch him. But I said no.
25 On --
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1 Q. Did he make do you things you didn't want
2 to do?
3 A. No.
4 Q. Go ahead. What happened?
5 A. On one occasion, the last time I went
6 there, he engaged intercourse.
7 Q. Okay. How old were you then? 44 0,
8 A. It was the day before my 18t thday
9 Q. Okay. Prior to the actu rcourse what
10 happened? Were there any se 1 ts either
11
12
13
performed on you, you per7o jg on him, or him
performing on himself' ,
A. He would tough mself.
14 Q. How woul o that?
15 A. What ou mean?
16 Q. I can hat -- what part of his body was he
17 touc 'ng?
18 A. is penis.
19 . Okay. Was he masturbating?
OA. Yes.
21
23 eii.
Q. Okay. Was that a regular occurrence?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And he never asked you to do more than
24 that, just -- did -- did you watch? Did he ask
25 you to watch or he just did it while you were
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1 massaging him?
2 A. He just did it.
3 Q. Okay. When you were massaging him, did he
4 say anything to you or make any comments?
5 A. Um, polite conversation.
6 Q. Okay. What kinds of things was he asking
7 you? AiAr
8 A. Just about school, and what s going to
9 do when I got older.
10 Q. He knew you were in s oo
11
12
13
14
15
A. Yes.
Q. Did he know yo
A. Yes.
Q. Did you t im that you were 17?
A. Yes.
16 Q. W en that?
17 A. The first time that I was there I told him
16 h I was.
19
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Okay. Did he have a problem with that?
+
20 A. He did not seem to.
21 Q. Okay. Let's go to the last time; whether
22 it's 10 or 15 times; when you had -- he penetrated
23 your vagina with his penis?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. How did that come about?
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1 A. He told me to lay down, cause he was going
2 to crack my back, which he had done before. And
3 he just sort of did it.
4 Q. I know this is difficult. You don't want
5 to be testifying about this, do you?
6 A. No. Not at all.
7 Q. Okay. How much money were you p4during
8 the times that he masturbated in fr of you?
9 A. It started at 200 the fiat o pie times,
10 and then he changed it to 300.
11 Q. What about the fin e when there was
12 the actual penetratio .
13 A. 300.
14 Q. Why did bu st6p going there?
15 A. Well I n't really want to go after
d16 that. A t didn't call anymore after that,
17 so.
18
19 ?4;:k.
O ay. So it was a combination of both?
Yes.
20
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Q. If they had called?
21 A. Possibly, but I doubt it.
22 Q. Okay. Did you receive anything other from
23 Mr. Epstein than the cash involved? I mean did he
24 give you a car or do anything else?
25 A. He gave me a digital camera.
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1 And for my birthday he gave me, like, a
2 couple bras and panties.
3 Q. Okay. And was that your 18th birthday?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And he gave that to you too?
6 So you were still seeing him on your 18th
7 birthday?
Ad lAr8 A. It was the -- like
9 Q. II the day before, you t d.
10 A. Yes.
(1 )
11 Q. Okay. Was anybody present during the
12 massages you were giv Epstein or when he
13 was masturbating?
14 A. One time was in the room.
15 Q. Whic as that? What -- what
16 activiti going on during the time that she
17 was the room?
18 A. Um, well, him and her had intercourse while
19 eked me to watch.
20 Q. When was that?
21 A. One of the last couple times.
22 Q. How long did that go on?
23 A. It was an hour. I was there for an hour
24 every time.
25 Q. Were you asked to participate in any way in
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1 the sexual exchange going on between them?
2 A. Um, he asked me to touch her breasts, but
3 nothing more than that.
4 Q. And did do you that?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Okay. And did either of them touch you at
7 all during that time?
AC5 Ar8 A. No.
9 Q. Just one second. c? '
10 You appear uncomforta e tifying here
11 today. Yes?
12 A. Yes. /\CIC7
13 Q. This mornin we first met when you got
14 here, what did
u
me?
15 A. If tt r w s any possible way I could not
16 testify.
17 Q. Wer€ you told you wouldn't have to testify?
18 at was my understanding.
19 (S
I expressed that I did not want to. And I
20 Ihslas told that I would be contacted later on with
21 more information on that and other subjects.
22 Q. Were you ever contacted?
23 A. No.
24 Q. Till you got the subpoena from me?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. Okay. Do you want Mr. Epstein to be
2 charged with any crimes in relation to what went
3 on between he and you?
4 A. Honestly, I don't really know.
5 Q. Okay. You expressed concerns about your
6 father --
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. -- finding out
9 he know what you were
10 A. He.has very minimal
46c
41about your ac ' ies. Does
doing? 3k
info ion.
11 Q. And when did he ge information?
12 A. 2 days ago, w the subpoena.
13 Q. Okay. So i of something you've
14 confided in him
15 A. No.
16 Q. D yo an* t to testify at a trial?
17 No.
18 Q. o you know how much money you've probably
19 ot verall during this time?
20 A. No.
21 Q. Was your dad aware you were getting the
22 money or were you hiding it from him?
23 A. I guess you could say I hid it from him,
24 because I did not make it a point for him to know.
25 Q. Okay. You understand that you in effect
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1 were committing prostitution yourself?
2 A. I --
3 A JUROR: Can she speak up, please?
4 Q. Can you speak up?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Okay. Is that an activity you have
7 stopped?
8 A. Yes.
AS AI
9 Q. Okay. I'm going to ask point if
10 the grand jurors have any qu ti for you, okay?
11
12
Do you need a minute?
A. I'm fine.
13 Q. Okay.
14 MS LAVEK: Any questions for
15
16 JUROR: I didn't quite hear.
17 Dur ng the time you were a Junior, did
18
19 y while you were a Junior?
20 THE WITNESS: While I was a Junior in
21 high school, no.
22 A JUROR: Then how old were you?
23 Again, I --
24 THE WITNESS: I was still 17 at the
25 time.
Miss
r. Epstein actually have -- penetrate you
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1 A JUROR: You were still 17?
2 THE WITNESS: Yes.
3
4
5
MS. BELOHLAVEK: The day before your
18th birthday?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
6 A JUROR: Did you -- do you have --
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still have contact with Mr. EAzoe
THE WITNESS: No.
A JUROR: Does he (3::)ou have the
same cell phone?
THE WITNESS: I've had three
different numb ce then.
A JUR Tend you do know that since
you're she's not -- that you could
be p
E WITNESS: Yes.
A JUROR: What?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
A JUROR: And you still say you would
testify against Mr. Epstein?
THE WITNESS: No. I would not like
23 A JUROR: Would you?
24 THE WITNESS: I suppose if I had
25 another subpoena to where -- that -- going
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1 to jail; yes, I would.
2 A JUROR: The lady back there.
3
4 for Miss
5 Yes,
6 A JUROR: You did not want to have
7 intercourse with him?
AC; Ar8 THE WITNESS: No.
9 A JUROR: Did (::) to stop?
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20 more control over you and that you knew.
21 THE WITNESS: Yes.
22 A JUROR: Do you feel it's wrong of
23 him to take advantage of your youth?
24 THE WITNESS: Yes, I do.
25 A JUROR: And did he take away from
THE WITNESS:
A JUROR:
THE WITN m not really sure.
A JUR9 o you think he took
you
advanta e o our youth?
ITNESS:
ut it was also stupid of me to put
.?my se f in that situation.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions
Maybe.
A JUROR: Perhaps you were too young
to be up against a man of that age who had
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your person, your being, your spirit?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
A JUROR: And would you testify
against him for what he has done and the
wrong he has done?
THE WITNESS: No. Because I would
7 like to put it behind me for th t part.
8 I was successful until abou s ago.
9 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Y am?
10 A JUROR: Yes. o reason that
11 you don't want to¶ y is more just
12 because of per mbarrassment?
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13 THE W Yes.
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16 JUROR: Jeffrey knew or you had
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THE WITNESS: He was well aware of my
22 age from the very beginning.
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24 A JUROR: If you had a daughter,
25 would you want her to testify or tell you?
Okay.
ELOHLAVEK:
you did
THE WITNESS:
Yes, sir?
tell him you were
Yes. He was --
only
A JUROR: And he was aware of that?
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1 THE WITNESS: I don't really know.
2
3 A JUROR: Would it mean anything
4 special to you if you could be the person
5 that's strong enough to stand up to put him
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away so he will never ever do this to
A
AqqCould you be strong e to do that
or want to do that? ,
THE WITNESS: I is hat I could say
that I could, but f ly don't think that
I can.
somebody else?
MS. B VEK: Any other questions
14 for Miss
15
16
:) BELOHLAVEK: Yes.
17 A JUROR: The pursuit, this idea
18 about testifying, would you do it
19 mean, would you testify if you were
20 O subpoenaed, and would you tell the truth?
21 THE WITNESS: If I did not have a
22 choice whether or not to testify, obviously
23 I would have to.
24 Yes, I would tell the truth, because
25 if I'm going to have to do it, I might as
OR: Yeah.
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1 well do it right.
2
3 character -- for your own well-being
4
5 questions, not comment.
6
7 the right thing
8 to do.
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12 circumstances?
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14 between bs ying and going to jail, I
15 woul ify. Which is why I'm here
16
17 right.
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MS.
A JUROR: I think, for your
MS. BELOHLAVEK: You have to ask
A JUROR: Okay. To testify would be
A JUROR: Is that
to do and the 1 thing
Aq ,:r
(:)ion?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: ed a question.
A JUROR: W u do it under those
THE W Like I said, if it was
BELOHLAVEK: All
Thank you, Miss
(Witness excused. )
II. BELOHLAVEK: Raise your right
22 hand.
23 Do you swear to tell the truth, the
24 whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so
25 help you God?
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1 THE WITNESS: I do.
2 EXAMINATION
3 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK:
4 Q. Can you introduce yourself, Mr. ?
5 A. Yes. My name is Jensen . I am the
6 chief investigator with the State Attorneys Office
Aimc
8 Q. How long have you been in th osition?
9 A. I have been the chief inv tor for
10 3 years, and I have been employ y the State
11 Attorneys Office for apprpx j ely 13 years.
7 in Palm Beach County.
12 Q. And what did y efore that?
13 A. I worked fo t West Palm Beach Police
14 Department from ntil 1993 when I started
15 with the St orneys Office.
16 Q. YqG h k reviewed some documents regarding
17 several w1TFiesses in this case?
18
19 (SA Yes,
ir Okay I want to take you back to
was testifying about some
22 drug use. Isn't, in fact, there a police report
23 regarding drinking and drug use by ?
24 A. There's a police incident report from
25 Sheriff Department in
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Q. Okay. And in that case there was some boys
drinking, but it never indicates she was drinking?
4 A. I believe so. Yes, i.
5 Q. Okay.
6 A. She was caught with the boys and they were
7 drinking. Aimk
9 Exhibit B that you reviewed?
dI Il eve it's
l
8 Q. Okay. Is there another
10 A. Yes, (:1)
11 Q. Did ar from her home
12 that caused concern to other?
13 A. Yes. Your _4. r mother reported her as
14 missing to the
15
16
17
18
19 fter she took off --
25÷ Yes.
21 Q. did she indicate that she had been
22 drinking and doing drugs that previous night?
23 A. She has stated she had been drinking and
24 doing the -- and doing drugs the night before.
25 And she got scared and called her parents.
Q. And w here did her mother think she
was?
MM.
Shcas in a known drug area, she believed.
Q. `(,When they finally located her, I guess a
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4
Q. Okay. There are police reports from
activity in
I'm going to refer you to Exhibit C.
A. Yes,
5 Q. On March 31st of 2006, was there a police
6 report regarding
7 A. Yes, She was reported as ssing on
8 that date also.
9 Q. Okay. But it was her fa
10 her missing?
11 A. That's correct.
Alip
12 Q. Did you say how she had been gone?
13 Out the
14 5:30 --
nigfore, and then came home at
15 A. I be hat's what it was.
16 Q. e morning?
17 A Yes I believe so. Yes, III.
18 Q. And how did she and her sister come home in
19 riNi orning to get into the house?
21
They had returned and were inside the
41 " )
21 residence when the police arrived.
22 And they were packing their clothes, and
23 they were going to move out of the residence.
24 Q. Okay. Were observations made as to
25 their -- she and her sister's physical demeanor at
A.
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16 Q.
17 test i out
18 b s?
19
1 the time?
2 A. There was indications that they had been
3 doing alcohol and drugs. And I believe the father
4 had also reported that when they were dropped off
5 that he believed the person that dropped 'em off
6 was a young drug dealer from the area.
7 Q. And were they taken to school a ere
8 they -- did they have to come pick up from
9 school?
10 A. Uh, yes. They were
11 And then they received a
Cdtake ck to school.
call from the
12 school security, the an that's assigned to
13 the school, and as d hat they come retrieve
14 their -- her, be e she appeared to be
15 intoxicated t time.
e was actually a witness that
taking two and a half Xanax
I believe,
20 st of March.
yes, that's what it was. On the
Q. And Xanax is a controlled substance?
22 A. Yes,
23 Q. And it would be a felony to possess that?
24 A. Yes,
25 If you are caught with it, did not have a
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1 prescription or anything, you could be arrested
2 and charged with a felony.
3 Q. Okay. You've reviewed
4 MySpace.com
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. -- website information?
7 A. Yes. I have looked
8 Q. Does she misrepresent her
9 A. I believe there
10 occasions.
11 as 18. On the same date
12
13 she reports her ag a being 16. And then again
14 on April the 5th s eports her age as being 15.
15 Q. And e does she also talk about doing
16 drugs an r ing alcohol?
17 A. Yee. She does.
18 Q. 'at at about shoplifting? Does she report
19 hh ever shoplifted?
20 A. She admits to that. Lots of shoplifting.
21 That's -- specific.
22 Q. Her web name, what does she have as her web
23 name on the website?
24 Exhibit H, I believe.
25 A. I believe it's called
On March
reported her age as 17
at it.
were fou
Chim:the 5th sh ported her age
age there?
rent
ther entry she
arch the 28th of 2006
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1 Q. And does her website also include pictures
2 of her in skimpy attire, drinking alcohol, and
3 sexually provocative photos?
4 A. Yes,
5 Q. I'm going to show you these photos. Are
6 these photos of that were on her website?
7 A. Yes, MI.
AC5 Ar8 Q. Okay.
9 Ha been
10 arrested?
10
11 A. Yes,
12 Q. When was that
13 A. September tj N h of 2005 she had charges
14 filed against he
15 possession
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20
Q.
seei
A.
(:5 1KA. I can't answer that.
possession of marijuana, and
g paraphernalia.
Mr. Epstein --
was during the time that she was
-- the suspect in this matter?
21 y Q. Okay. What about theft allegations, has
22 she admitted to stealing also?
23 A. She was employed by . And
24 in November of 2006 she was accused by her
25 employer, and she admitted to it.
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1 Q. She also had some MySpace.com website?
2 A. Yes,
3 Q. On there does she go through and write out
4 about a falsification of records and lies to
5 people that she has done?
6 A. Yes. That is included in some of the
7 documents that I reviewed. ALAr
8 Q. Exhibit C, could you read wh e wrote on
9 August 5, 2005?
10 A. Hey. Wow, living wi y parents
11 anymore is the shit. For f you who are not
12 aware, I moved to yy So far everything
13 is going well. We and I am getting along;
14 not like everyon e icted.
15 u guys live together, all that
16 time tog ill be horrible. And that's in
17 quotations. The complete opposite of the matter
18
19 I went job hunting the second day that we
20
21 The day after that I was, like, fucking -- fuck
22 this, and I didn't return -- turn them in. I just
23 got so tired. Yesterday is when I took them.
24 I ended up getting a job at
25 I only get paid $6.40 an hour, but
c
re here, but all
not
I did was get applications.
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hopefully that will change soon. I also get a
discount at all the
, and
I like my boss so far. I mean, he only met
me twice, but she's real cool.
6 is trying to get a job at an He
7 likes music, so I think he's going going
8 to fit for him a good fit for hi really
9 hope he gets it. The boss guy him back to
10 set up an interview the day
11 application, I think that ood sign. It
12 starts at 4 p.m.
13 He's at the liL,right now. I got to call
14 him and ask him hoA ' went in the -- in a little
15 while. Its :45 right now.
16 as so funny. I used him as one of
17
18
my r eren es for my ; which I interpreted
; and the lady called me back
19 n old me that gave me such a
20 tstanding reference that she did not need to
21 call anyone else back. He got me the job just
22
23 fucking great.
24 I lied and said that he was the old store
25 manager for She bought it.
in with the
like that. He made me sound so fucking good -- so
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1 There's a notation, S-T-R 8. I'm not
2 exactly sure what that makes reference to.
3 No complaints from me. Okay, well I got to
4 go smoke some resin, considering I have a limited
5 supply of Mary J and have to conserve.
6 I miss everyone back home. I love you
7 guys. Don't forget about me. AiAr
8 Q. In Exhibit C, does she make rences to
9 being famous?
10 A. There is -- yes. She wo like to be
11 famous or known to be fa
12 Q. And how does s cate she would like to
13 be famous?
14 A. There is t tion on one of her blogs,
15 that she sa would like to meet Bill Clinton
16 this wee , b use someone -- and this is in
-17 quot s no - -) ""Someone "Someone could be so famous for
18 s kin is dick; that's how famous I could be."
19 f quote.
20 Q. Okay. And then there's a lot of other
21 stuff where she talks about accepted use of
22 marijuana?
23 A. Referred to as weed, yes.
24 Q. Right.
25 And pictures on her website of her smoking
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1 weed and drinking beer?
2 A. That's correct.
3 Q. Holding a bong -type pipe?
4 A. Correct.
5 Q. Okay.
6 MS. BELOHLAVEK:
7
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11
12 Drinking? I d you know, does it
13 encompass -
14 THE?f%cp SS:
15 that er
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19
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21 cocaine or something.
22 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Do you know what --
23 A JUROR: Thank you, sir.
24 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Do you know what
25 smoking resin means?
Mr. IIIIP
Okay.
A JUROR: When youC
s\~ .~~I .l,
Any questions for
AJI;Ar
to doing
drugs, does that means ng dope?
I mean, wha that mean?
My interpretation is
be smoking marijuana or doing
s, cocaine or something like that.
If it was drinking I would refer to
TICit as drinking alcohol. But when they
refer to doing drugs, it's either smoking
marijuana or talking a hard drug such and
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1 THE WITNESS: I have not heard that
2 resin used before. That's something new to
3 me.
4
5
6
7
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Other questions?
Yes, III'S.
A JUROR: What was the date when she
was talking about being famous? you
8 know?
9
10
11
Ac/o,
MS. BELOHLAVEK: I ibit D.
Yea 3:: )
I'm going tly h that exhibit now to
12 find the exact
13 _`E A EK: On the first page.
14 Log -in da e 1 --
15 T TNESS: 11/7/2005.
17
18 Yes, ?
19
A S Tilillir
A JUROR: The -- the one girl who had
20i:1 moved to , you mentioned that she
had run away or was missing several times. 21
22 Was that while she was here or after she
23 moved to that she started being --
24 she was missing?
25 Her parents didn't know where she
THE WITNESS:
16 JUROR: Thank you.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Any other questions?
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1 was.
2
3
4
5 teenagers
6 the truth
THE WITNESS: That was in both
and in
A JUROR: Do you typically find that
that have MySpaces tend to tell
on those websites or tend to try
7 to sound adventurous or -- what -- is
8
9 THE WITNESS: This
10 personal observation on art; and I
11 would
12 I would
13 be more tha
14 that's
15 have
16
17 Yes sir?
18
19
20 arrest records that would, you know,
21 indicate behavior like this from this girl
22 from her early age?
23 THE WITNESS: Those are the only
24 police reports that I have, is the one from
25 Georgia and the ones from Florida. If
their
vv*
say, no.
a to
ersonal
A JUROR:
t would be -- it would
wasn't the truth. And
personal observation. I
support that or
observation.
Are there any
ill;Lovaccuracy to their statem s?
e a
not, that's
kind of
school reports, psychological reports,
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3
4
5
6
there's others, I haven't been made
available to those.
A JUROR: Okay.
THE WITNESS: And the psychological
report, I wouldn't --
MS BELOHLAVEK: The report -- Palm
7 Beach County Sheriff's report o
8 , Exhibit C
9 THE WITNESS: Okay.
10
11 with her father?
12 Second p that report.
13 And did indicate, has been
14 to a faci i or drug use?
15 TNESS: There was a reference
MS. BELOHLAVEK: -add they speak
16 I'm assuming that --
17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: For drug use?
18 THE WITNESS: Yes.
19
A S IC IIii.r
has been using -- as told by the
MS. BELOHLAVEK: And does it say that
22i iw;
21 father, using narcotics since the age of
22
23
24
25
14?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
A JUROR: Yes.
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1 Since she was in the family center or
2 drug rehab, whatever it was, how has her
3 behavior been or what has her drug activity
4 been?
5 THE WITNESS: I have no direct
6 knowledge of that.
7 MS. BELOHLAVEK: The most ent
8 report is dated when? Ac/r
9 Palm Beach County
10 THE WITNESS: Palm ' dch County.
11 Palm Beach County jis dated March the
12
13 lic4VEK: was
14 she's bat
15
16
17 incidents in were all in
18 November --
19 THE WITNESS: November.
20 MS. BELOHLAVEK: -- 2005, or
21 January 2006?
22 THE WITNESS: That's correct.
23
24 rehabilitation? What's the date that she
25 was in?
31st of 2006. 'S s.,
And that
alm Beach County.
TNESS: Yes.
. BELOHLAVEK: Because the
A JUROR: When -- when was she in the
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1 THE WITNESS: This was after -- well
2 it's noted in the Palm Beach County report,
3 the police report, that she had been to
4
5
6 taking the Xanax bars?
7 here's
8 no exact date described in tie eport.
9 A JUROR: So s going to
10 ask,
11
12
13
14
15
16 y involved in (indiscernible) --
17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: Do you have any
18 knowledge about that?
19 THE WITNESS: No, UM I do not.
20
21 A JUROR: What are Xanax bars?
22 MS. BELOHLAVEK: We can find that out
23 for you.
24 A JUROR: Okay.
25 MS. BELOHLAVEK: And you'll know
for drug treatment. It --
MS. BELOHLAVEK: So previous to her
THE WITNESS: Correct.
I gue
in the last year
knowledge
Crior • discernible)
since March, how h behavior --
* sop,MS. BELO V Do you have
Ak
TH
oNt Mr.
N SS: No, I do not.
Recent -- is she still
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1 after lunch.
2 Any other questions?
3 All right. How about we take a lunch
4 break till 1:30?
5 wait.
6 A JUROR: I had one question.
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Would anybody else here lj to bring
back? 1
A JUROR: No.
A JUROR: No. (f.5: #
A JUROR:
A JUROR: or ?
A JUR
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nly reason I have is that --
. BELOHLAVEK: Let's not do this in
, excuse me.
17 frdTPf of the witness, okay?
19
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: Thank you, Mr. .
18 S A JUROR: Okay.
2,; iLiswi
21.
(Witness excused.)
(WITNESS JENSEN RECALLED)
22 CONTINUED EXAMINATION
23 BY MS. BELOHLAVEK:
24 Q. Jurors asked you a question earlier about,
25 what is Xanax?
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1 A. Yes. And during --
2 Q. Were you able to find that out?
3 A. Yes.
4 During our break I went back and I
5 researched it.
6 And using what is referred to as a PDR,
7 which is a Physicians Desk Reference;
8 identifies and gives drugs and ever g like
9 that. They identify, Xanax is uilizer used
10 in the short term relief of sym s of anxiety or
11 the treatment of anxiety ers.
12 Q. Okay. And poss_e4j of that without a
13 prescription, some e ou d be charged with a
14 felony?
?S'
15 A. That ect.
16 BELOHLAVEK: All right.
17 Thank you very much.
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(Witness excused. )
(Proceeding concluded 12:52 p.m. )
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1 CERTI FICATE
2
3 THE STATE OF FLORIDA,
4 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH.
5 I, CATHERINE P. DORE, R.P.R. and
6 Official Court Reporter for the Fifteenth Judicial
7 Circuit, Criminal Division, in and for, m Beach
8 County, Florida; do hereby certify t I was
9 authorized to and did transcribe ~oregoing
10 proceedings at the time and pla foresaid; and
11 that the preceding pages ed from 1 to 157,
12 inclusive, represent a nd accurate
13 transcription of tb44dio recording of said
14 proceedings.
15 ESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto
16 affixed o cial signature this 17th day of
17 July, 202
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23 CATHERINE P. DORE, R.P.R.
24 and Official Court Reporter
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