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all right i appreciate you coming down again the reason why i asked you to come down was that i am investigating a case in which my investigation believe i believe that you have information on jeff epstein okay okay first of all before we even begin let me just where you in okay you raise right hand for me you solemnly swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so i hope you got yes okay do you understand what i'm saying you know you're spanish i can speak spanish yeah okay first first of all do you remember jeff yeah okay it was an all brillo okay why don't you tell me from the beginning and how you met him okay um it was something in high school everybody was like trying to make money and at the time i had two jobs i guess not like two years ago right so about two years ago yeah when you first met him okay yeah yeah i was 17. what it what it is you were 17 then what is it that you were told you would have to do give him a massage okay okay uh who took you there um her name do you have any formal massage training no no did he took you there haley didn't take me there he took one of my friends and then it was the one who took me take me okay faith say pentite okay when you got there what happened it seems really weird the whole situation and there were more girls in the house and then they just tell me just go upstairs you know they show me the room it was a massage room like normal and they came like you know and i gave him a massage thing okay i've talked to a lot of girls and a lot of girls have told me different things okay so i'm very aware of what happens when you provide a massage okay yeah when you got to the house you went there yeah how did you come into the house do you remember what do you mean did you come into the front door did you come to the garage did you come well like when you go inside there's like the door i don't know if it's the front door i i don't know is it a wood door yeah it is a wood door yeah it's probably like the one it's probably the back because it goes to the kitchen okay so it goes through the kitchen yeah but into the kitchen right yeah who was in the kitchen there yeah okay i didn't remember like do you remember uh any of his assistants she's the one that met with and then it was a neat like one that called me and i told her that i wasn't gonna do it anymore i don't think her name is okay so when you come into the house and you go into the kitchen you meet with some people there who takes you yeah yeah then i tell sit down and everything i go and call jeffrey i that's what i was confused when you say jeff it's like i don't know any job and then she takes me upstairs i'm afraid to stay there and faces take it there like all the all the time when i'm upstairs okay okay so takes you upstairs here's the stairs yes okay do you recall anything weird when you were going up the stairs pictures pictures of what naked people naked people okay she brings you into this you said it was a massage room yeah okay is jeffrey already there no no oh i sit down there um she tells me just wait a second then she comes back and we put like the little bed for the massage and then she's like okay there's some lotion and he'll be right up okay then he comes in and he says okay this is oh then he knows my name already he's and then he's like okay just a massage okay when he came in was he in a towel was he in a room no he had like clothes he was he was running or something like that he had regular clothes on yeah he was running or something like that yeah regular clothes on yeah okay and he got on the table with the clothes on no he took his clothes off and he was like a towel he put a little towel over him okay so at any point did you see him naked no in the first time no okay so he lays on the bed on the massage bed with his towel and you start massaging him you know in the back and he said on his back on his legs okay how were you dressed when you were giving the massage when you were giving the massage when you were giving the oh in jeans and a t-shirt okay any point did he ask you to remove your clothes yeah during the first massage yeah and i saying no and you said no okay do you continue with the massage yeah it's kind of weird that he hasn't picked myhl $200 at any time during you when you're giving him the massage. Did he ever turn over? Yeah on to his back Copping up to that. I'm a time like And it's just yeah, okay During the time that you're massaging him on his chest. Is he touching himself? Yeah, okay Explain explain that to me. Can you? Mm. Well, do you know he start getting a little excited a lot and He started touching himself and I tell him stop and that's and that would say that Okay, what do you mean by touching himself? You mean he was masturbating? Okay, and you told him to stop now. I didn't Okay, so that while you're rubbing chest, did he ever take off his towel? Well, he like had he seen So you never saw it? Did you ever see him? No. Not the first time. I saw him like the second time. Okay. Did you continue with your massage? What else happened after that? I was finished after. Actually, it was supposed to be an hour. But the first time it was just 30 minutes. Okay. The time you were rubbing his chest and he was masturbating, did he ever climax? Do you know what I mean by that? Yes. How did you end the massage? Did he just say that's enough? Yeah. Okay. So then you went back downstairs? Yeah. And I say to Faith, okay, I'm done. And we left. Did he ever ask you to leave your telephone number to call you back if you wanted to work? Yes. Yes. What was your phone number? Okay. And did Faith give him your phone number? Did Faith get paid for taking you? Yes. How much did she get paid? $200. She got paid $200 for taking you as well. Okay. So tell me about the second time. The second time, I don't remember who took me. I never went by myself. I was just scared to go. But it was kind of like the same situation on the first one. But he offered me more money just to take my share. What was the first time you took my share off? And I didn't know why. I wasn't going to tell her. Um, and it was the same, you know, he did the same things, and then he took his towel off. Okay. And after he was gone. Like, you know, he was, he never, like, got to the climax. Like, I never saw him. You never saw him? Okay. You were going to live in started. That's how everything started? That's how everything started? Half of the school not survive. Half of the school not survive? And then what day was that? You mean the 1.70 era? No. No. Oh. It doesn't that then? Yeah. How about early advice? You mean the 1.70 era? I thought you knew when you started the 65th anniversary? Not the 15th anniversary, but before the Cisco and, then after you started, we agree with you. So you were aware when you signed He took his towel off. Okay. And after he was done, like, you know, he was, he never like got to the climax. Like I never saw him. You never saw him? Okay. You were going to live. That's how everything started. That's how everything started? Half of the school knows about it. Half of the school know about it? Okay. Let me, let me back you up for a second. You go the second time. Who calls you to go back to the house? Who calls you? And you make an appointment to go, to go work? Yes. Okay. And the same thing. You, you go into the back door, into the kitchen area. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he takes me upstairs. She takes you upstairs. Okay. He offered you more money to get naked? Yeah. Well, he told me just to take my shirt off. Okay. He didn't say anything else. Okay. And did you? No. But that's not the only two times you've gone. You've gone more times. He was like around, like three, four times. And then I just, I was just scared that he was gonna do something. Did he ever photograph you? No. Did he ever take? Now that I know. Did he ever take videos of you? No. Did you ever give the massage with any other woman? No. Okay. Did you ever get naked while doing the massage? Any of the massages? Once. Once? But it was, it was in my underwear. It was never completely naked. Okay. And you stayed in your bottom underwear? On my top. And your tops. You stayed in bra and pants. Okay. I think it was one that I took to my bra, like I would say. And each time you went, did he offer you more monies to do more things? Yes. Actually, I knew that because of sex. I don't know how I lost him. Okay. Because she asked me, she said he offered me more money if I have sex with him. And I said that never gonna happen. Just know what I'm gonna do with that money. Okay. And by having sex, you mean intercourse or? Yes. I guess. I don't know. We never, we, I didn't like talking about it. Okay. Um, the second time, did he offer you more money to do more things? Yeah. A hundred dollars more just to take my shirt off. Okay. And you said you didn't do it. Okay. Um, did he masturbate on the second time? Yeah. And did he ever climax? Actually, the second time. The second time, like, it wasn't that bad because he was, like, on the phone all the time. So he was, and he was, like, paying attention to what was going on. Okay. So did he ever, at any point, ever masturbate the second time? No. Not that I remember. Okay. Did he ever ask you any questions or speak to you or say anything, ask you anything? Well, like, he tried to talk to you just to make you comfortable with the situation. Like, uh, what are you worried and, like, you know, how much do you make us you worry. And then he starts saying, you can make more with me, and, but I didn't feel like he was trying. Okay. Did he ever know your real age? After a while. Like, because somebody told him. That you were 16, 17? Yeah. Well, he told us that we had, we were supposed to say that we were 18. Okay. And who told you that, to say that? He was the one who brought everything to everyone in school. And that's how we knew all about it. And then she took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. She took me. So, each time did you go, get monies for taking you, or? If she was going, well, she went with me twice, I guess. I don't know what to say. Then I went with her. Did she make money? Did she make money for taking you, too? No, I was taking her. Oh, you were taking her. So you brought. She knew I wanted, and she asked me if I could tell her, because she didn't know where he was. Okay. That I didn't get money out of her. Okay. Did anybody ever help you do a massage with him? No. I asked me to do it with her. I know you don't feel comfortable. Okay. All right. Talk to me about the third time you went. I don't remember. It's like, it's kind of, it always, it was the same. It was the same? It was the same every time. Well, I mean, obviously, more stuff happened because, you know, he paid you more to do more things, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you had a relationship with him, or was it just the first time? Yeah. Yeah. The first time? The third time? Yeah. The third time was when I took my shirt off. They stayed with your bra, or were you taking the robe off? They stayed with the bra. Okay. And then, that was when he paid me $300. And he paid you $300 for that? Uh-huh. Okay. And same thing, he came in, was he naked again? Yeah. Okay. You gave him a massage, and at that point was he still playing with himself? Yes. Okay. Masturbating? did he ever climax during this how would the massages and would he just say that's it that's enough yeah I mean if you just like stand up and take a shower and let's grow my things