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seat in the couch, grab the file. Thank you very much for coming down. No problem. Can I just move the desk just a little bit? Do you have your driver's license with you? No, I don't. I actually lost it. You lost it? No, I don't have it with me. You have to understand that that looks a little different than what you look like right now. Yeah. First of all, let me get, where are you living at now? Right now, I live in, um, that's a, I don't know the zip code. I just moved there. Okay. You stay with friends? Yeah. The number you gave me. First of all, again, I appreciate you coming down to talk to me. You're not in any trouble whatsoever. Okay. I just want to put that out there right now. Okay. Um, you're not in any trouble whatsoever. The reason why I wanted to talk to you is I am conducting an ongoing investigation for quite some time now on a subject by the name of Jeffrey Epstein. Okay. And through my investigation, I do know that you have some knowledge and you've been at the house and that's what I want to talk to you about. Okay. And again, I'm saying you're not in any trouble. Okay. You're not a suspect. You're a witness, possibly a victim, but I do want to talk to you. Before we start, can you raise your right hand for me? Yeah. You sound like you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, the whole truth, so I hope you got it. Yes. Okay. How did you meet Mr. Epstein? Through a friend. What school were you going to when you? I was, I wasn't in, yeah, I wasn't in school when I met him. I had already graduated. You already graduated? Yes. Okay. How old are you now? I'd say maybe a little over a year. Right around a year. Okay. What school, what high school? And then I left from that high school and I went to, and that's where I graduated from. That's the one that's been in the news lately? Oh, I don't know. I just moved back from New York, so I really, I don't know. Okay. When was the last time you saw Mr. Epstein? Probably in April and May, probably around May. So it's been a while. I haven't seen him in a while. May of what, 2005? Yeah. Who, who's the person that, that took you to the house? Her name is, I don't know her last name. Okay. Who's the person that took you to the house? I don't know her last name. I don't know her last name. How do you know her? Through another friend. We were, we were friends at the time, but I don't speak to her anymore. Okay. Again, I've, I've talked to a lot of girls, 30, almost 40 girls so far. And so I, I know pretty much when he takes you to the house, what, what transpires. Okay. I know it might be a little embarrassing or whatever, but don't be, like I said, I've talked to many people already. And I'm pretty much familiar with, as to what happened in the house. Okay. Walk me through this when you went to his house for the first time. Okay. Um, she took me over to the house. She waited downstairs. I just went up, gave him a massage. And that was it. I mean. Okay. She approached you to, to, to, to work? Yeah. She's like, oh, you know, do you need to make any extra money? I'm like, yeah. She's like, okay, I can give you, you know, like $200. There's this older guy in Palm Beach. He gets a lot of massages from girls. You know, that was really, that's what I'm saying. That's all she told me. That's what I, I mean. Okay. Are you a licensed therapist or massage therapist? No, I'm not licensed. No. No. But you know how to give massages? Is this something that you did on the side or is this? Only, I mean, no. Just, like, for him. That was really it. All right. So, basically, you, you got your training or became familiar with massages through him? Well, like, I mean, I had always done it, like, for friends and that kind of thing. But I didn't really, like, ever get into it. I didn't have money for it or, you know, actually, like, do it. Okay. So, she takes you to the house. How do you, how do you come into the house? Front door, side door, garage? Like, it's kind of like a back, I don't, it's not a front door, but I have to, like, go through a gate and then there's, like, a side door by the kitchen. Okay. So, you go into the kitchen? Yeah. All right. Do you meet someone at the kitchen or? I don't remember. There was a girl I met. I don't know if you've heard about her or anything. She's, like, his assistant or whatever. So, I, like, met her. I met her a few times and that's it. And then she, like, she would take me up to, like, the room where he has, like, the massage table and everything like that. Okay. So, you go upstairs to his master bathroom, I guess. Is that what it is? That's where the majority of the massages were done. You're doing the massage. Does he ask you to remove any of your clothing? Yeah. He asked me to take my shirt off. So, I took my shirt off. And that's how that was it. Okay. So, were you in bra or were you topless? Um, I didn't, yeah, I ended up being topless. And you kept your pants on? Mm-hmm. How did you get contacted to go back to the house? They had my phone number. You left your number before you left? Yeah. So, does the neighbor call you or does anyone else from the house? The neighbor calls me or if there's, like, another girl that's there, like, one of his other assistants or whatever, they would call me and set up an appointment, whatever. He would want me to come over. When he was coming into town? Yeah. When he was coming into town or just when he wanted, you know, a massage, like, when he was already in town or whatever. Okay. So, how many times do you think you massaged him? I did, for a while, I was doing it probably, like, once a week for a few months, probably somewhere around there. Okay. When you would go back and do the massage, would it maintain the same or were more things? No, like, I mean, I would, like, take my jeans off or whatever a lot of times, but that was it. I never stopped with him. I never did anything to him. I never, nothing like that. Okay. Is it safe to assume that you provided the massage wearing only panties? Yes. Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did he ever touch you? Well, I mean, he would touch, like, my hip or whatever, but, I mean, that's, that's really it. Okay. And if I ever, like, asked, like, if I ever said I wasn't comfortable, like, you know, like, okay, you know, I don't want you to touch me, he'd be like, okay, that's fine. Okay. You know, if I were to, if I were to say anything like that. And this all occurred when you were 18, though, right? Mm-hmm. I was 18, I had been 18 for, like, eight months, nine months already. Because my birthday's in June, so I had already been 18 for a while. Okay. You're 19 now, though, right? Yes. That was about a year ago when you met him. Yeah. Right around a year ago. Did he ever utilize any toys? Once, yes. Explain to me when he used a toy. How did that transcribe? He used, I mean, like, he would use it on me, but it wasn't, like, any, there wasn't no entering of anything. Describe the massager, vibrator thing he used. What, what, what it looked like? Mm-hmm. It was, they sell them in the store, like, I've seen them in the store. It's, like, probably, like, this long, and then it just has a round end, and it's gray and white. Okay. He kept it over the panties? I'm assuming you have panties on? Yes. Did you ever take your panties off and it could be completely nosed? Every now and then, yeah. Okay. When he used massager, were you wearing panties that day? I mean, this, you know. I know this is over a year. Yeah. I know, I know. How much would he pay you to give him massagers? $300. First, he told me it was going to be $200, but I guess he liked me or something, so he gave me $300. I don't know. Like, he gave other girls or whatever, but he would give me $300. Were you aware that other girls were coming to do massages? Mm-hmm. May I actually ask you a question? Absolutely. Um, the file, I noticed it says, or does it? No. Oh. I spelled it with an H. Okay. I saw the H, and I'm like, my brother's name is, I'm like, oh my God, this is my brother. No, no. I just saw the H, and I'm like, what? No. Okay. Okay. My bad. I was writing it quickly. And I was thinking Johanna. Okay. Okay. Never mind. Good. All right. Was there anybody ever at the house you provided a massager aside from Jeffrey? No. During the massages, um, did he ever ask you to touch him? No. Did he touch himself? Yes. Would he be just touching himself, or would he be masturbating? He would masturbate. Okay. How would you know that the massage was over? When he would come. When he climaxed? Yes. Okay. Um, again, I said, I've talked to a lot of girls, and so far everything seems to be in the norm. So, that's what I'm saying. Don't, don't, I know it's a little embarrassing. Um, did you ever meet any other girls that came to the house? I don't think so. It was just like his assistants or like, well, other girls that he'd have hanging around the house. Did he ever mention anybody else that she brought to the house to? Yeah. Who did she say that she brought to the house? Actually, I knew that I was probably going to be talked to before, um, because one of my friends, one of the girls I'm still friends with, she told me how, like, got talked to and how she got talked to and everything like that. Um, I knew the one girl that went to his house. Um, I don't know her last name. I just, like, people that I used to be friends with that I don't talk to anymore. Um, there were a few girls that did it once or twice. Okay. Who was the girl that told you that I got, that I talked to her? Um. Did she, did she ever provide any massages? Uh-uh. Actually, I remember she said that she used to do it, I guess, but she never did. She would, like, she would go with me sometimes, and she'd just wait. In the kitchen or whatever. Oh, sorry, I'm a little sick right now. No, that's okay. I have allergies to cats, and I'm living with cats. Um, but, like, I guess I used to do them or something. I don't know. Okay. Did anybody from the Epstein house ever call you to try to get a hold of you to talk to you? When? Um. Recently? Yeah. No. No one? Because, well, like, my cell phone, when I was in New York, I moved to New York about nine months ago, and that's pretty much when I stopped talking to Jeffrey. Um, but, like, I moved up there then, and then my cell phone got lost, or I got my cell phone stolen. So, all my numbers got lost, and that's everybody's number. I don't think they, I don't know if they have the house number or not, but nobody tried to contact me. Okay. Because he is aware of the investigation. I did a search for him in the house. Right. Um, were you aware that he had cameras in the house? Yes. Um, wasn't sure where. I knew he had some on the outside of the house. I wasn't sure where the other cameras were. But he is aware of the investigation as well. That's what I'm saying. Don't be surprised if someone from his, um, like a defense attorney or, or a private investigator tries to talk to you. Okay. Um, when, when you, where did you live in New York? In New York, um, first I lived in Jersey, and then I moved from Jersey to the Bronx. Then I moved from the Bronx to Washington Heights, and then I moved to Queens. Where in Queens? Jamaica, Queens. Oh, in Jamaica. Yes. Washington Heights? I was up there. I was going to say Washington Heights is a rough area. Yeah. Oh, that St. Nicholas area. I know it well. Yeah. That's where I'm originally from. Where are you from? Originally from Queens, but I moved all around the Bronx. I have family that live in Washington Heights. Right. So. Yeah. I lived there for a little while as well. Um, okay. Did you ever bring anybody to the house? Yes, I did. Um, neither one of them wanted to go back there. So, I don't know.