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EFTA02731926

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EFTA02731926, U.S. Department of Justice, Epstein Files release (DOJ Disclosure). Primary source: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/Freedom%20of%20Information%20Act%20%28FOIA%29/Florida/EFTA02731926.mp4. Retrieved via Epstein Files Transparency Act Resources, https://tommycarstensen.com/epstein/data/documents/court/02731/EFTA02731926.html.

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I appreciate you coming down. Not a problem. I was all the way out there, driving all around. Sorry about that. No, it's all right. It's all right. Uh, do you have identification with you? Why I came, I asked you to come down so you could talk to me is I'm working a case, which I believe you may have some information. Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. Gentleman's name is Jeff. Mm-hmm. Okay? Mm-hmm. He lives in Albrillo. I was actually thinking about it on the way here, and I remember who you're talking about. Why don't you start from the beginning for me real quick. Before you do, let me swear you won. Okay. Okay? Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so I hope you got it. Yeah. Okay. Tell me from the beginning how you met this gentleman. Um, through a friend. Her name is... Um, she told me about this guy. I was short on rent one month, and she told me that all I had to do was give him a massage, and he would give me $200. And that's pretty much it, and I thought about it. I was like, I really need the money. I've asked my parents. They can't give me the money. I asked everyone I knew, and I went there with her. I gave him a massage, and it was a weird situation. Okay. Why don't you tell me, let me back you up. When did this happen? Honestly, I really don't remember. It was a few months ago. I know that. When you say a few months ago, you're talking, what, July, August, September? Probably around July or August. July, August. Mm-hmm. I just met her through a friend. Her name is... And that's pretty much all I know about her. Her boyfriend was a roommate of mine for about three weeks, and that was it. And I haven't talked to her since. Okay. So she took you... Mm-hmm. ...for a massage, to give a massage. Mm-hmm. Okay, have you had any formal massage training? No. No. And what else did she tell you what you had to provide? That's it. Just a massage? That's all I knew. That's all she told me. Okay. Did you provide the massage with clothing on? All I had was underwear on. She did not tell me that. I was absolutely surprised when I got there. I knew nothing. Okay. Did she tell you that you would have to provide the massage with just underwear? No. She did not. Okay. What do you mean, my underwear? What do you mean? Only with my underwear. Just panties? Yes. How old are you now? You're... I'm 20. You're 20. Mm-hmm. So a couple months ago, you would have been, what, 19? Yes. So, well, your birthday's on July 20, okay. So what else happened when you were providing the massage? That's just it. He had a towel over his private parts, and he was just laying on a table, and I was just massaging from his knee down for about 45 minutes, and she said all I had to do was give him a massage for an hour. So that's... That's what I did. And then, like, 10 minutes before we were getting ready to leave, he asked her to leave because we were in the room together, and all I had to do was massage his chest, and that's it. He had the towel on him, and about five minutes into it, he took the towel off and started pleasing himself, which I was very uncomfortable with. Like, I wanted to leave right when I got there. Okay, so he was in the room with you until 10 minutes before the massage was over? About 10 minutes, yes. He rolled onto his back? Yes, while we were both doing the massage. Obviously, to massage his chest, he had to get on his back. Okay. He had the towel still on him? Yes. Okay. You were just in your panties? Yes. Drinking himself? Yes. Masturbating. Was anything else happen? I'm sorry, I don't like thinking back on it, so... Okay. Mind you, a lot of people are the only person that he's... I'm trying to just... I'm not that type of person. That's why I was so... And I understand that. I am being completely honest with you. And when he started pleasing himself, he got up and he went over to a drawer. And he pulled out this vibrator thing and then he pulled down my panties and then he started... It was just like this... I don't know, it was like a stick with this knob thing on it. And he didn't, like, stick it inside me or anything, but he just, you know, put it on me. And that was it. And a couple minutes later, it was over. And he left. I put my clothes on. I put my clothes on and I went downstairs. He moved your underwear. At the same time, was he masturbating? Is this going to be, like, all confidential and everything, or... You're speaking to me, that's why I left your boyfriend out there. Okay. Okay? I mean, he knows everything, because I told him, so... Okay. When you said it all ended, how did it end? He just... He... He came, he cleaned himself off, and he just got up and walked out. He's like, okay, you can put your clothes on, and he closed the door. After he walked out. And when I went out, I went downstairs, and he was down there, and there were, like, three other girls there. I guess they stay there or something. Okay. Do you know who those girls are? I have no idea. And where did this take place in the house? Through the back door, up the stairs. I guess it was in his bathroom. I don't know if it was his bathroom. I'm guessing it was his bathroom, because I'd never been there before. Okay, describe the bathroom for me. There was a sauna, there was a shower, there was a vanity, the door, a dresser, a closet, a couch, and another room that was closed off. Okay, what color was the couch? Oh, I don't even know. It had a towel over it. Okay. Who were the other people downstairs, do you remember? No. No. They were just three girls down there. I know one girl, her name is ******, because he introduced me to her. Describe her to me. She has brown hair about right here, maybe 5'5", 5'6", maybe 120 pounds, I guess. She was young, maybe 23. When you say he came, do you mean he ejaculated? Yeah. Okay. Didn't he clean himself with his towel? Same towel he had on? Yeah. Okay, and then he told you to get dressed? Mm-hmm. Okay. During the time that he was utilizing the vibrator, were you hurt in any way? No. This was the only time you went? Yes. And you were paid how much? Um, $200. When you went back downstairs, did you meet up with? She was outside in her car. She was? Yes. Okay. Method of contacting you? Yes. He asked me for my phone number just in case. He wanted to call me and come back, and they called me, and I never called them back. They called me with a bunch of different phone numbers, and I picked up one time, and after that, I never picked up again because I didn't know who the numbers were, and they left me several messages, and I never called them back. Have they tried to contact you recently? When was the last time you had contact with them? Had contact with them, actually spoke with them. Or left you a message? Left me a message maybe a month ago. A month ago. What did the message say? Um, just wanting me to come back, wanting me to know if I could work, they called it work. Um, and that they left a number, and I never called back. So when they say you want to work, that means a massage? Yes. Did he say anything to you while you were doing the massage? He was talking about like art and everything like that, and you know, just the paintings on the walls that he had and stuff like that. Anything that you've noticed in that room that you felt that was odd? The whole situation was odd. When we first pulled up, before we even got out of the car, she said, don't say anything, don't speak unless you're spoken to. So I got, I got like, I was like, you know, what the hell are you getting me into, you know what I mean? So I didn't say anything, and the whole, there was pictures, they were pencil drawings of naked people. I don't know. It was just like, that's all that looked really weird. Okay. And when you entered in the house, how did you enter in the house? Through the front door? No, there was a back glass door. Okay. And we just walked in, and then we walked straight, and then I, she apparently knew the girls that were there, and she was like, oh hi, blah, blah, blah. And then we just went up the stairs, and that was it. Okay. So I was in the room with you when you started the massage? Mm-hmm. was doing it as well she was doing it with you yes okay did she receive any money i yes she did i don't know how much though for taking you or for doing the massage i believe it was both the wear yes or was she naked no she was in her underwear and when you say underwear just panties was it regular panties was it thong panties um i was wearing pink boy short kind of i don't know if you know the boy short yeah and she was wearing the same thing okay pink as well no hers were red i think i know this may be uncomfortable but did anything happen between you and no while you were providing the massage no way okay he didn't ask you guys to do anything and when you came back down is when you encountered and two other girls two other girls okay you don't know who the other two girls were can you recall no idea these time that they called you yeah or contact with you yes i picked up one time i picked up one time and ever since then i have not picked up any numbers that i don't know because i've been so afraid that i was going to be them calling and i accidentally pick up you know i don't you know i don't even know why you didn't pick up my line yeah actually it is i'm sorry that's all right and i just assumed that it was you the next time that you called me so but ever since then i don't pick up any phone numbers that i don't know if they really need to talk to me they can leave a message and the one time i did pick up i had to say that i had to go to my grandparents house so that was the only time you ever went i only picked yes the only time i ever went i'm like i'm so ashamed that i did that because that's not like me okay trust me i understand you're not the only like i said i've been dealing with the only one that wasn't a pinch for cash and they felt that this was an easy way because when i heard it was just a massage i was like you know i'm like are you sure there's nothing else too she's like yes i'm sure i'm like is there anything weird about this guy that i need to know she's like no and ever since like i felt she lied to me and betrayed me you know even though you know being being stupid i just met this girl you know what i mean and she didn't tell me anything about that i haven't talked to
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