EFTA02731916

Audio #

Extracted Text #

It's just a tape recorder, that's all it is. Okay. Today's date is January 9th, 2006. Time by my watch is 12.42 p.m. I'm here at the ****** present in the room. It's myself, Detective ******, with the town of Palm Beach Police Department. Detective Nick Caristo of the Palm Beach ****** Department. And could you state your name for the record? ******. Can you spell your last name for me? Okay, and your date of birth is? The purpose of today's meeting is to discuss what, as you know, I'm investigating a case involving an individual you may know as Jeff or Jeffrey Epstein from Palm Beach. Based on my investigation, I know that you may have some information pertaining to this case prior, before you tell me as to what happened. Will you just raise your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So I'll be here. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So tell me from the beginning, how did you meet Mr. Epstein? Well, my friend told me that she was modeling for Jeffrey and said that he was paying money to model there. So I went in there and we had dinner. And then he took me into a room. And at first, she started rubbing his legs, and he told me to do that, told me to massage him. And I didn't know what to do, so I just did it. And he told me to do certain things, like take some clothes off and just things that were not right. Okay. And I know that I should have told you. I told him that he said I didn't, and he threatened me that if I told anybody, then bad things would happen, and so I continued not to go. Other than that you were going to the mall? Mm-hmm. Okay. When you got, she drove you there? No, we took a cab. You took a cab. Remember what cab company? Yellow Cab. It was Yellow Cab? Yeah. I don't remember. No, I've got Yellow Cab. When you got in, how were you introduced? He came out into the main entrance of his house, and we were just talking. He was just introducing me. He was telling me about some stuff, and then he took me out there. Was this during the daytime or evening out? It was evening. I think around, like, 4 or 5. I think around, like, 4 or 5 maybe, because I remember eating. He made dinner for you, or some kind of meal? Yeah. What did he tell you? What kind of conversations did you guys have? I just got to know him the first time. He was just telling me about what Daddy does, flirting, and... What did he tell you he did for a living? I don't really remember. I can't tell you. How long ago did you first go there? The end of May, early June. Of last year? Yeah. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. So you went there early June? Of last year. Oh, wait. You mean 2005 or 2004? 2004. 2004? Yes. 2004. I think. I don't, I don't even remember. So he took you upstairs, but what kind, can you describe what you saw when you walked upstairs? Yeah. It was moving, it was from his bedroom leading into another room and then it was the massage table there. And that's when I knew something was up. Sounds familiar. because that didn't sound right to me and then afterwards I told her and she was just like hopefully she didn't know what to say like she um I think she thought that I was willing to go there and do that like I don't know what what she was thinking I don't know why would she bring me into that obviously she was helpless or something I don't know if she was help maybe that's why she got me there that she because she didn't know what to do and I really couldn't tell you that she got me there okay but the very first time you went there you said you started massaging his legs okay were you were you naked or did you were you down to your no I wasn't he just started doing it and so I would say well then what's going on and she's like oh this is just a part of the routine and I said okay well do we have to do it you know it's just been definitely okay without his legs you were completely closed when you were doing this did you stay did you stay in undergarment or did you were you completely naked no I was in undergarment bra panties or okay no I know this is hard yeah okay no bra just panties I know this is hard for you to talk about okay I just want you to know I've talked to a lot of other girls and I am very aware as to what happened in the house okay so I don't want you to feel bad or yeah I don't think I'm like that personally okay now okay okay what kind of panty are you wearing at that time can you remember okay uh what transpired? Well, he says okay I fit for the variety and I'll see you again and he told me that if I didn't go back then there would be problems because he'd think that I told it on him. And then that, you know, I don't know, he, I don't know. Okay, let me back you up. You're standing there in your undergarments and your panties. You're massaging his legs. What else transpired from there? That's it. That's it, you just massaged his legs? Oh, then he, when I was in dress, then he told me to grab his nipples and rub his chest, and... Okay, was he doing anything? No, not at first. I told him, don't touch me, and he said, why? And I was like, because I don't like this, and I just want to go home, and then he threatened me, and I don't know, I was just scared. I know he's a very rich man, and he's good to have, somebody, I don't know, I don't know. Okay, let me ask you, did he try to touch you? With his hands? He did touch me. He did touch you? Yeah. Did he touch you in your vaginal area? Mm-hmm. Okay. How did he touch you, did, was it the... It was external a little bit, internal a little bit. Okay, it was just on the outside? Over the panties? Yeah. Under the panties. Did he touch your breast? But there was no, like, his penis didn't go anywhere. Did he, did he use any toys on you? I don't remember. You don't remember any massagers, vibrators? I don't remember. Okay. Where was he? Like I told her, the first day after, call the cops, and he didn't, so... I knew there was something going on, you know, but it was disgusting, really. I know, I know this is hard, I know this is hard. And I feel so bad now, for those other girls, like, I could've just got that on myself. Did he masturbate during the time that he was doing this? Was that you? Yeah. Did he have you touch him? Aside from rubbing his chest, I mean, you know, the massage? I don't know. He climaxed? Yeah, he, like, leaned, leaned towards me, and then, then climaxed, and, like, that was it. How did he, um, was he naked? He, like, before, like, before the massage, he was in the shower in the room. Like, there was a shower in the room. Mm-hmm. And he wrapped a towel around his face, you know, and he lay on the table, so... Was he naked or...? And then he put his hands under the towels, and he didn't expose it to me. Okay. You didn't see him? No. He didn't show up in the climax? In other words, you just, you were assuming, based on how he finished? Was that the only time he went there? No. Yeah. Afterwards, um, he had one of the, one of his, um, employees drive us home, so we couldn't really talk about it on the way home, and he specifically dropped, um, her off at her house and me at my house. Like, he didn't let us go to each other's house. And so I called her afterwards, and I said, Why did you bring me? I was crying, and I was like... And she said, Because we're all in hope. I don't have anything else. I don't know what else to do. And I was just, like, I'm just worried that we won't go back, and said no, because he has my number, and he said that he'll call the cops and get us in trouble. And that it's... It's our fault why this is going on, and... Did you know how old he was? I don't know. Did you tell him? Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. Did you tell him that you were in high school, or did you tell him which high school you went to? I don't know. At dinner. Yeah. Do you remember the employee who drove you home? He was, uh, foreign. Was he... From then on, he would call me and tell me to come in. And I... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So, there was plenty of times I think about not coming in, but somehow they would get the numbers to where I am and call me and tell me to come in, like, I wouldn't pick up my phone and they'd call me from the number. If that was at my friend's house, they'd call me at my friend's house. I don't know how I got the numbers, I don't know how they did that, but they did. Well, then, so... He never made any threats or anything at all. How many times is it that you went to the house? Other number... The same thing happens each time. The place that I mentioned earlier was my body. Did he ever introduce any kind of vibrator in your vagina area? Over the panties. Over the panties or under the panties? Under. How would he... And over. How would he...would he move the panties to one side or would he remove the panties? The first time he just stood over the panties and the second time he took down my panties. Did he ever bring anyone to the house? No. I had a girl ask me, should you go to the house? Because she looked like she was willing to voluntarily do it. I said, okay. If you really want to do that, then come. For money. What was his girlfriend's name? Do I have to answer that? I'd like you to. How much were you paid each time you went to the house? Two hundred dollars. Each time? Mm-hmm. Were you ever told to bring friends? Mm-hmm. Is that for your money or for bringing your mates? For bringing my friends. She didn't go back. She didn't go back? She just went there one time? Mm-hmm. Actually, I...after that, I lost, like, communication with her. Like, I stopped talking to her. Never saw her after that. Okay. Okay. So you have only been to the house three or four times? Yeah. Were you given any gifts? iPods? That's for the money. Any gifts or anything like that? He offered taking me to a ballet, but I don't remember. Locally? Did you ever go on any trips with him? Anywhere? No. With you? He said, with you? Why did you keep going back if you didn't want to go back? Because I was scared. I didn't know what to do. I was afraid that he was going to harm my family. Did he say that he would harm your family? No. But he made threats to...to start something...bad things would happen if I told anybody. Like what? He never said. Would he say this every time you went? Yeah. He would ask me if I told anybody, and then he'd ask me if I'm lying, and that he knows I'm lying, and he never, like, battered or anything or that ever happened, but... Did he ever hurt you? No. Yeah. Well, yeah. Definitely. Hurt my whole esteem, my...my brain, my...my heart, everything. Nothing perfectly, but mentally, yeah. Each time that you...each time you went, was it during the daytime or the evening hour? I think I...I went day and night. I think I went day, probably the mid-afternoon, like, before noon. Okay. But I just...I...would you ever call... A lot. She would call my phone, like, thirty times a day, like, continuously. My... What were the last times she tried to reach you? Um...it continued for a while even after I, like, completely stopped going, like, I got away from him, like... He said I could...that I was fine now, that I didn't have to come back if I didn't want to, and that if I would ever find...if I would tell somebody or call the police, then he would, um...run back into her house. What was the last time you were there? I...I tried to block it out of my memory as best as I could. Would you say in the last six months? No. Probably...more than a year ago. More than a year ago? You haven't been back to the house more than a year? No. No. No. You haven't been back to the house more than a year ago? Mm-mm. I saw her on my birthday. Um...we went and watched fireworks together, and, um, she was pregnant, and I haven't talked to her since. It's just that it wasn't thought out. What were you going to during that time? Every week it was during the summer. During the summer? Yeah. Looking up the air? Yeah. Directly. Okay. Was there any...ever...any intercourse? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Did you experience any intercourse? No. Oral? No. No. He had me get on top of him one time and like move around like right and intercourse, but there wasn't actual, you know, him actually putting himself inside me. Okay. Were you with panties on, without panties on? Leets. With panties on. You massaged your vagina area? Yeah. Yes. Your buttocks? Yes. You say your buttocks? He tried. He tried. He asked me if I wanted him to and I still don't. What do you do then? Your buttocks area or your vagina area? My vagina area. And why? He was going to enter it with his fingers? You had a massager or? I don't remember. It was definitely three or four times. You never went back with anyone else? One time. I don't remember. Did you have a cell phone back then? He called my dad's house. He would call your dad's house? Yeah, my dad's house. And he would call from Friday through Wednesday. He would always call. They would call a lot. And a couple of times he called from his phone line. Do you still have the numbers on your phone? Yes. Does your cell phone number begin with a ? Or anything else would you like to add to the statement? That I have not asked you and you have knowledge of? Like a few. I don't want another girl. Because I think if you come in here and talk to me, I think it would actually help me a lot. Because I never talked about it to anybody else. So my sister would go there. And they can do the same thing for her. It might help her a lot. Do you have her number? No. No. No. I never talked to her. I didn't talk to her. No. That's okay. That's all. All right. I'm going to go. I'm going to close the statement at this time. It's 1. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16. 1 16.