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Can you raise your right hand here for me? You're right down in the square to sell the suits? The whole suits, they're nothing but the suits to help you guys? Yes. Alright, so tell me from the beginning as far as when you met Mr. Epstein. Um, as soon as Skip did, and then Shafty and Faith were all just kids to his house, Shafty and Faith were kind of with him about something, and I was like, what are you guys talking about? And I hadn't really known them, I was kind of with the redneck crowd, there was a peppy girl crowd, and he was telling me about the style, and then he'd go and give him the sizes, and he'd pay them $200, so he'd give them that for an hour. And I was like, do you want to go through it? And I'm like, yeah, $200 for an hour, let's go. So I think about a week later, I had gone with him, and it was me and her in the room with him, and it was kind of weird, because he was naked, but he's a girl, he's always like that, don't worry about it, and then we just gave him the size, and he gave her $200, and he gave me $300, and he asked me to come back. So I told him, okay. And I came back about, probably about five or six times. Okay. He gave you $300 to do a massage, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. That was about a year ago? Yeah. Okay. Your approach about this fight was for nothing? Let's start back from the beginning on the massage. He was naked on the massage? Yes, but there was power over him. Okay. How were you dressed when you put fire on the massage? I was in a tank top. James in a tank top. At any time did he ask you to remove your clothing? He did. He was naked on the massage, but that was the third time that I went there. Okay. And I gave him a massage, and I was on my underwear, so that's it. Just with the underwear. And then I just, that's why I stopped going, because I started to feel uncomfortable, just because I couldn't do more. When he was, when you were given the massage, where did the massage take place? If you go upstairs into his bedroom, like his bathroom, I guess? There's a big room with a sauna and a shower. Okay. And underwear. Okay. I guess it's not like I went to his bathroom. Was the table already set up? Sometimes it was already set up and then sometimes when we went up there, there was a little closet and a table in the closet and we had to bring it out and set it up. Did you set it up or did somebody else set it up for you? Sometimes it was already set up when we got there. Sometimes I had to set it up. Okay. How were you taken to the bedroom area? Usually would leave you up, but after you were there a couple times, you could still go on up. Okay. And you went, what, five to six times? Yeah. Get back to your first massage you gave. He was wrapped in a towel. Okay. At any time did he take off the towel? Only when he got up and put a rope around him. Okay. During the time that you were providing the massage, did he ever touch himself? No. He was laying on his stomach. Laying on his stomach the entire time? Yeah. Did he ever ask you to rub his chest? Yes. Okay. But not the first time? Not the first time. He just massaged his... His legs and his feet the first time. Feet and legs? He rubbed his back and then he rubbed his legs and his feet. Okay. So the first time he did the massage? Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. And you were completely clothed. Yes. Did he touch you during the massage? No. No. Was there any visor, vibrators? No. Did he ever introduce you to a massage? No. Just he had this massage thing for my back and body like I was saying the other time. That's it. It's not really that. Okay. When the second time you went, how were you contacted? When we moved to Hawaii, he asked me to come back. I had left him my cell phone number. Okay. And called me and told me that he's definitely wanting me to come back. And then I went down there. Okay. Do you recall when this was? No. I know it started about this time last year because I think about January is the last time I went when I met my boyfriend. And he didn't want me going down there. So January of this year was the last time you went? Yeah. Okay. All right. So she told you to come to the house to provide drugs to work. Did anything happen during that massage? No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to grab my butt. I told him I didn't feel comfortable with that. He always said that he didn't feel comfortable just to let him know. Was that on the second massage? No. Probably about towards the end because I was still trying to do the third massage. Okay. About the third massage. And that's when I whisked it in my bum and I do it. And then after that is when I started feeling uncomfortable with it because, you know, he wanted to take that off and he was, you know, and then just, he, I mean, he never said. He was like, you know, he never forced me to do anything because he was like, you know, try the top, you know, and I just didn't feel comfortable with it. Okay. So you were called both the first two times. Did he touch himself during the second massage? I guess, kind of. He would sometimes. What do you mean? Well, not, like, towards the end when I was in my brown underwear. Like, sometimes when I would be rubbing his chest, then he would. Did he do it on the second time he went? No. Okay. What was the third time he went? How, how were you contracted to go? When you got there, he asked you to remove your clothing? Yes. Okay. When you say panties, were they normal panties or were they? A thong. A thong. He provided the massage. Mm-hmm. And this was the first time that he, he had to rub his chest? Yes. Okay. While you were rubbing his chest, did he masturbate? Yes. Okay. This was towards the end. Okay. Towards the end of the massage. Towards the end of the massage? No, like, towards the, the last time I went there. Okay. But, yeah, I was towards the end of the massage also. Also. Do you want to have something to drink? No, I'm good. I'm good. Okay. I'm going to wash down my manners. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm like. Oh, okay. Um, do you know if he climaxed? I don't know. He also had the towel over him. He never removed the towel? No. Just by his breathing. I don't think that he did. But I never asked to read. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, you went to the house. At what point did he try to escalate the . But it was . He was like, he was sitting there and he talked to you and strapped them in. He'd be like, oh, well, come here and be there if you do that. Like, if you told him no, he wouldn't, you know, he wouldn't look at the mirror. But if you told him he felt uncomfortable about anything there. When did he grab your butt up? I don't know. One of the times I was here. I don't know. If he was there? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Did he ever grab more than just your body? No. Because I'm really clear when he did that that I was very uncomfortable and I left. Okay. Did he ever touch your breast? No. Okay. Did he ever touch your vagina area? No. Did he ever bring out any kind of sexual toys? No. When was the last time you were contacted by anybody that you had seen? The last time I went there because I told him that I wasn't coming back. Okay. So it's January 2005 approximately. Yeah. So the very last time you went did he continue like when you were giving him a massage, masturbate? No. Because I was giving him a massage and I kept looking at a clock on the sink. And I kept looking at the clock and he was like, why do you keep looking at the clock? And I was like, I don't know. And I said, because my boyfriend's waiting to come pick me up. And he was like, well, he's making me enjoy my massage right now. He's like, you're not supposed to do that. And I was like, well, and he's like, if you don't want to do this, then you don't have to do it. And that's when I told him, I was like, well, I don't want to come back anymore because I really don't feel comfortable. And, you know, my boyfriend knew it was my sex that was on the end. And then that was it. And I haven't broken from him since. At approximately $300, did he ever offer you more money? No. He gave me money for Christmas. He, once he knew me, I think it was like $200 as a Christmas present. But other than that, that's it. For last Christmas? Yes. Did you ever take anybody to the house? No. I, nobody that I don't know. Okay. Was there anybody else in the room when you were providing massage? No. Besides from the trustees or no? No other assistants? No. Okay. Did he ever offer you money to go further than just a massage? No. Okay. How old were you when you first went there? Like a massage, naked, or? No. They just told me that we were going to do a massage. Um, you were attending at the time? Kind of. I kind of dropped out like in the middle. Did you ever finish school? No, actually. There's more after my TB test. Good luck with that. Thank you. Um. I fell in love, moved to Jupiter, it's going to last forever, blah, blah, blah. This is the guy that didn't want you going back anymore? Yeah. You guys aren't together anymore? It's not for now. We were, we got engaged. We were together off and on for nine years. I guess the best thing you did was have you stop going. Yeah. Um. Is there anything else that you'd like to add? Um. No. I actually have some questions though. Like what's going on with this? Well, this is an ongoing investigation. We received a complaint and we're following it up. Um. Obviously, um. Based on the questions that I've asked you, you can pretty much figure out what this is entitled. Yeah. You know, what this is going to entail. He's definitely a pestilence? Not at this time. Um. But this is an ongoing investigation so I would appreciate that if anybody contacts you. I know that friends have been calling each other and telling them, oh my god, there's a cop here or whatever, asking questions. So, what's the news in this little town? Well, I would appreciate it if you didn't, you know, say anything about what we discussed. Yeah. Especially if he calls you or anybody else calls you. Um. You could say that I was here and if they have any questions, they can give me a call. Um. Obviously, if anybody from the, um, Jeffrey's house calls you, I'd also appreciate it if you call back and let me know. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. At this time, I'm going to go ahead and conclude the case. The time on my watch is 1245.