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I have a victim you showed up here. Okay. So I'm friends with her. If you would like to talk to her. Okay. What I wanted to do was talk with you a little bit about what you had told me before. And if you could just step away, step out of the room for a moment just so we can talk in private. Okay. Yeah. I'm going into a room right now. I just heard your voicemail. It said that you weren't completely truthful with us in front of your parents. I just want you to go over everything with me again. As to what transpired exactly. I went there. I've been there like twice. Back up for a second. You went there twice. Two times, right? Yeah. First time you went, what happened? The first time I went, I followed him both times. I followed him both times and I didn't accept the money. The first time I didn't accept the money. The second time I did, I don't know why. I guess I was just really scared. And I walked out of the house and I was just like, I want to leave. Okay. How did you get there? How did you get there? How did you get to Jeff's house? Yeah. Because I didn't know them. Okay. So she... What did she do? She just sat there in the kitchen. She sat in the kitchen? Right. Okay. Who brought you to Jeff? This girl. Yeah. Her name is... Took you where? Upstairs. Took you upstairs to a bedroom? Yeah, to a bedroom. And I was like, I was freaked out. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to expect. I was just like, freaked out. And I was just like, so scared. And I didn't like, want to tell you guys off line because my parents were there. And I just... I was just like, you know, like, I just felt so uncomfortable. And like, if you were to come back again to my house, I probably wouldn't have told you the truth. That's why I wanted to call you. Okay. Well, I really appreciate you reaching out to me and talking to me. Because during the investigation, obviously, we do find out other things. And when we were there last night, we knew. Yeah. I knew. I knew it happened. But I didn't want to push the issue. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let me go from there, exactly what happened. You went into the bedroom. Yeah. And I massaged him. He tried touching me. And I fought with him. Okay. But you're going way too fast. Oh, sorry. Was he in the room already when you went into the room? No. What did Sarah do when she led you to the room? She, like, set up this, like, massage therapy bed. Okay. I don't know what they're called. But just, like, a little, like, thing. And she, like, set it up. And she left. And, like, she was really nice. Like, I didn't know what to expect. Like, you know, so. But that's all that happened. And then he came up. And I was, like, shaking. Like, I was, like, shaking, like, really bad. Okay. And I didn't know what to expect. He didn't do anything for a while. Like, I didn't even think he was going to touch me. Like, I was, like, okay, he's going to touch me. And I was, like, praying to God he wouldn't touch me. Okay. And then, like, at the end, like. Were you clothed? Or were you in? Yeah, I was, like, clothed. And then he tried to, like, touch me. Like, tried to, like, tear off my shirt. Yeah, and I, like, fought with him. And I just walked downstairs. And I was, like, okay, look, so. And I didn't, like, I wanted to forget about it. And I just never thought about it again. And I was just, like, I've let it go. Okay, but you went back. I went back, like, a little bit again. And he, like, he tried, like, doing a little bit more. Like, I told him, I was, like, don't, you know, don't touch me. Just, like, don't touch me. You know what I'm saying? And, like, he, I tried, I fought with him again. And then I just left again. Like, I did the same thing. And then I never went. I never went back. Okay. I don't know why, I don't know why I did that. The second time it happened. Take you? Yeah. Okay. Took you the second time you went? Uh-huh. And where was she during the second time that this happened? They always wait downstairs. Okay. And who brought you up? Brought you up again? Uh-huh. Did she set up the room again while she was upstairs? Supposedly she worked for him. Okay. So that's, I guess, what she does. Do you know his last name? No. No, I have no idea. Okay. All right. So then, after you were taken upstairs, did, was Jeff in the room already? No, he wasn't in the room. He wasn't in the room? Uh-uh. He was never in the room at first. Okay. How does he come into the room? He just walks right in. He just opens the door and he's like, hi, how are you? And, like, he, like, I never thought he would touch me because he takes, like, business calls and stuff like that. Okay. Like, he just stays there. And I just, like, I don't know. I'm always so comfortable, like, like, I didn't think anything was going to happen. I thought I was going to massage him. And, like, I didn't think anything was going to happen because he wouldn't touch me for a while. I was, like, hoping he wouldn't do anything. But he was, like, taking business calls and everything like that. I was like, okay, you know. Okay. But when he tried, I just, like, freaked out. Okay. When he came into the room, did he, um, was he clothed or was he with a bow? Was he in a towel? He was clothed. He was dressed? Mm-hmm. So then how did you give him a massage if he was dressed? Well, he put it, he went into this room and he put a towel around him. Okay. Because there was another room in there. And he went into the room and he put a towel around his body. And I turned around. And, like, he laid down and then he was covered. Like, it was just his back showing. Okay. So he was completely with a towel on at all times? Yeah. He never took off the towel? No. Okay. Um, what, what were your expectations when you went upstairs? What were you told that you would have to do? Um, just massage him and, like, just talk to him. Like, just be friendly with him. Okay. Did he ever bring out any kind of sex toys? Oh, no. I would have been, like, out the door. Okay. Like, I was anyways. Like, I left and I was just like, you know, I'm going to leave. You know, I fought with him. Okay. Okay. So were you, did he ever, because I'm, I'm assuming that he's the one that set up this thing for you, right? Yes. Okay. Did he ever tell you, uh, what you would have to do? Did you get paid and how much? Um, the amount was, I heard, was always $200. $200 for the massage? Yeah, that's what I, that's what I heard. Now, do you have any massage training? Massage training? Honestly, I want to be a massage therapist when I get older. Did, did he ever ask you your age? Um, I don't remember. You don't remember? Uh-uh. It was, like, over a year, I don't remember. Over a year ago? Yeah. Okay. Um. I don't want, just getting back to, because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, if you were to call me and just, I mean, I just don't want to stay back, so is this conversation between me and you? Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. I just, I just don't want to stay now. Okay. Don't you worry. Don't you worry. Um. But I have another victim in the other room. Okay. All right. Well. Okay. See, I. You've already, I'm sure you guys have been here before. Could I talk to the other guy that came over my house? That was me. Oh, that was you. Okay. Um, me and my sergeant, George Frick. Okay. Yeah. All right. I assume that you guys have already came over here. Okay. Well, she's here now with me. Okay. So if you would love to talk to her. Okay. Well, let me, let me just go over a few things with you here. Um, the second time that you went, were you clothed? Yes. I was clothed for the both times. You never took off your clothes? No. He tried, but I fell with him. Okay. Did, were you in, were you ever in your undergarments? No. No. You stayed with your clothes on? I had my clothes on. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. When he tried to touch you, where, what area did he try to touch? Like, bottom and upper body. Okay. Your, your buttocks? Yeah. Did he touch your buttocks? He tried to, and I pushed his hand away. Okay. Um. I told him, I was like, no, I don't feel comfortable with him not touching me. Okay. Did he ever touch your breast area? He tried to. I did the same thing. Okay. And, did he ever touch you, um. No. He never touched me anywhere down there. Nowhere down there? No. I, I wouldn't, no. I just, no, he, I would have done the same thing or I would have warmed out. Okay. So, there was no contact with the vagina area at all? No. No. I don't know whatever the girls have done, but a lot of girls have. It all depends on the girls, too, you know? Yeah, yeah. And, I'm not like that, you know. I, I'm still, I can't believe I even did this because I'm not like that. I, I don't know why I did. I just totally didn't expect anything like this to happen, you know. And, I, but I can be honest with you, I was very scared. Okay. Okay. Do you know if he made any money by bringing you over? I'm not sure if she did. On both times? Yeah, I don't know. You don't know? I really don't know. Yeah, I don't know if she made money. Did he ever, did he ever touch himself while you were massaging him? No. No. He never, he touched himself in his? Not, not with me. He hasn't. I don't know if he's ever done that to other girls, but not with me. Not with you? Never touched himself? Mm-mm. Okay. Didn't attempt to masturbate or anything? No, not in front of me. Okay. Good. I mean, there's so many other girls, I mean, I haven't talked to other girls. Right. No, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah. Um, you were done, what, what? I went downstairs and I just wanted to leave. What was said, what was said, um, when you were leaving? Either by him or by anyone? Mm-mm. Nothing. I was just like, bye. I left. I was just, I just wanted to leave. I felt so uncomfortable. I just didn't, I just didn't want to stay there. Okay. What did she tell you after the, um, the incident took place? She asked me. I went and asked her. I was very nervous and scared. And I, like, I just don't want to do this again. And that was, like, the second time, too. Like, I said it both times. And after the second time, I was like, I'm never doing this again. I never did. You never did. And that's when you stopped being friends? Yeah. It's been, it wasn't right after I stopped being friends with her, but after that. But, like, I just didn't want to be friends with her. Like, we just didn't hang out as much. And then I just totally stopped calling her. And that's been, that's been about, like, seven, eight months. This is when this happened? Seven, eight months ago? No, this happened, like, a year ago. But I stopped being friends with her, like, seven, eight months. Okay. So we were, like, still friends maybe, like, two, three months after that. Okay. Now I'm not friends with her anymore. I haven't, I don't know her anymore. Like, I don't talk to her. I just, I don't know. I haven't heard about them in so long. Well, see, the problem I have with is because she is underage. I can't reach out and just talk to her without her parental consent, without parents knowing that I'm talking to her. The parents don't need to be there if I'm talking to her. It's her choice. That's fine. She'd rather meet up with you. Would you like to come here now? Unfortunately, I'm not in that area right now. But I would like to talk to her. Okay. So that's fine. She works at 5 o'clock, though. Every night. So if you can come tomorrow. Where does she work at? She can't, she can't come here right now. She works at CSA. We both work at the CSA. It's kind of like, what's the word, Joey? Tele-marketing. It's kind of like, no, we're like tele-marketing. It's like the lecturaries and stuff like that. Okay. Yeah, it's like fundraising. Oh, so you're the guys that call the house at night and say. No, no, it's not. You want to support this thing. You want to support that thing. Yeah. Yeah, but it's not annoying. We're not annoying. Okay. But, yeah, it's like for fundraising. And they're like, you know, we just like get people in there and like fundraising. They work every day at 5 o'clock? Yeah, it's Monday through Friday. If you can meet up with her, like, during the weekday before 5. What time does she get out of school? She said she can meet up with you tomorrow morning before school. She doesn't go until 11. She doesn't go until 11 a.m.? Yeah. Yeah. We all do because it's an all-time date for us. Okay. What school does she go to? What time does she get out? What time does she get out of school? Yo, what time do you get out of school tomorrow? I will get out until 1. She won't get out until 1? Until 1. Alright, so you're going to go 2, 3, 4. We get out at like 1.55. 1.55. Okay, so let's say 2 o'clock. She gets out at 2. Yeah, 2 o'clock. Okay. So perhaps maybe after school? Can it be after school? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, she said where do you want to meet her? Okay. Write down this number. I'll give you my cell phone number. Yo, what is it? Okay, what is it? Okay. Okay. And so right after school? After this phone number, are you going to speak to me again? If he talks to you, he won't need to speak to you again. You just tell him everything. That's it. Just be truthful with me. Otherwise, I won't have to go back to the house type of thing, you know? Yeah. Okay. Has everything you told me been true and correct to the best of your knowledge? Yes. And do you swear to God about that? Yes. Okay. And I just don't want to just get him back to Haley or anything. No. No, I'm not. No. I have already been interviewed. What did she say? I can't really tell you. I can't. But a lot of people have been interviewed in this case. Yeah. So, you have not received any phone calls from anyone? No. And you have not received a phone call from anyone? No. I haven't talked to her. I know. She never used to call me. She used to call me. Okay. Yeah. She never even used to call me. Okay. So, I never talked to her on the phone. Okay. I only talked to her when I was there. So, just to get this straight in my mind, when she approached you about working for Jeff, did you know that you were going to go over there for the purpose of giving a massage? Yeah, I knew that. But I just didn't think it was going to be bad. Like, I didn't think anything was just really going to happen. Did she ever tell you that you might have to remove your clothing? No. Did she ever tell you that he might be touching you? She said if he does try anything. If he doesn't try anything, just walk out. And say, oh, you don't feel comfortable. She said, but she's like, if. Okay. And did she tell you more or less how much you were going to make? She said 100 to 200. But I guess it's that for every. Yeah, it varies for every girl. I guess. I don't know. Okay. So, like I said, it's been such a long time. I don't even know. I haven't talked to them in so long. I've never even talked to Jeffrey on the phone. Okay. She used to talk to him. All right. I greatly appreciate it. And just if you can have your sister give me a call tomorrow when she's out of school and we'll meet. I'll be out in that area. Okay. So then when she does get out of school, I'll be in that area already. Okay. It's Carrie, right? Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. All right. All right. Bye. Thank you. Okay. That was a phone call to my watch. Now it's 4.05 p.m. on the 4th of October of 2005.